Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 145

Originally posted by: Sunshine75

yes some of these burhaan nashwa shippers are her fans but some were sort of neutrals. When she got married to Amaar and said those two dialogues, they lost their sh$t. Even though that shaadi was in the teasers. they gave a perfect opportunity to haters to drag the show, who were ready to jump on the hate train. There were 4-5 woke queens ( read other actors Stan’s ) who were nitpicking on QEJ from the beginning,. But I think it’s coming close to climaxe so it’s alright. Hopefully it’ll end on a high note.

Agli bar really will watch something just by self and I cannot discuss as you saw what happens when I share my unique views lol. I spent so much time defending and explaining myself that discussion ka maza chala gaya. I was excited after the first scene of the first episode because it seemed like a mystery thriller. And we were actually pleasantly surprised. With all the twists and turns. I'm still hooked. And I know there is one last big thing that the writer set up from all the clues we gathered.

Also an appreciation post below!

And I really want to appreciate Nameer he owned the last 2 episodes especially 28. The huge range of emotions were phenomenal that took place in such a short timespan. He was able to make his eyes speak. No reaction was too loud or overdone. Here we only talk about who Nashwa should end up with or how grey Burhan or Nashwa is but honestly Nameer killed it with Ammar. He had all the neutrals at hello...I mean at the cafeteria just hooked with such a mysterious character (it did stall a bit with the continuous smoking- but that's who he is). Totally got him, felt for him, got scared of him, felt heartbroken for him, hated him, repulsed and disgusted yet intrigued by him, felt that there is no excuse no matter the childhood trauma, hoped for him to reach out for help to his mom or Nashwa when offered and hoped it wasn't true because of certain huge hints from characters actions, writer and actor and mainly wanted him punished for whatever his involvement but also wanted to see due process and proof.

At the end , we realize despite having a vulnerable side or love for family, nothing takes away from the worst crime whether enabling or hindering it. We realize that enablers do not live in isolation rather in our ird gird and they can be deeply complexed, emotional and good to others but indifferent or cruel to a few. it is inspite of our feelings that we stand for what is right!

Rabia did the best job with Ammar, Bakhtiyar, dado and Burhan! And I know there is a twist coming to explain it at least all most everything if not all.

Yumna always does great. But this one stood out to me for the senior actors incredible acting. And Nameer as well. I hope he works on his urdu to make it more sharp. His Punjabi accent sometimes peaks through though Saqib did a good job of covering most it. I hope he learns to voice modulate. It's a do or die for his career. He got better and better and totally became his character by each passing episode. I think any drama and character that's appreciated by the neutrals are the main source of approval. No one is supporting Ammar outright but really enjoying his character. Only a few groups that think of themelves as moral perfect queens are confusing the appreciation as endorsement lol. They need to be enrolled back in grade 6 English class to learn character analysis again and a separation from reel and reality lol.

I might get bashed here for saying this but based on the reaction online and critics and everyone else, Ammar being good or bad, evil or indifferent or whatever did overshadow the good guy not because he is a bad boy but because there was something mysterious and everyone in the back of their mind can feel something is missing and something is coming. Good or bad. It captivated people. This was on writer and actor to make Burhan even more present. But I guess Rabia has her reasons. I don't agree to a lot of her views or writing ( like nikah being a magical fix - then why did Bisma never love Behzad - because love is love - you love whom you love).

Originally posted by: pilot100

Yes I love Burhan.

I never complained about Nashwa not reciprocating Burhan love. I also agree that Burhan is an excellent human being, but that doesn't mean Nashwa has to fall in love with him. But what I am annoyed with Nashwa is her decision to marry Ammar and having no regrets about it. Also I find her extremely rude to Burhan. Even before getting married to Ammar, she was always shown to be rude towards him. Infact she never shows any attitude to Ammar, but with Burhan she always shows attitude. Yest also on the road, she is scolding him,as if he told her to wait on the road helplessly. She doesn't have an iota of respect towards him. That really annoys me😡. And what did she say to her mother, that he had a rosy life. Dude, even he has lost his parents and seen them getting killed. Does any child deserve that. She is kind of jealous of him. So yeah I don't want them to get Married because she doesn't deserve him.

I mainly want Beenish and Burhan to get married is because of Hadi mainly. Also both Burhan and Beenish are broken souls. They both will heal each other. Also I feel Beenish will be a very good wife unlike Nashwa. Nashwa is very immature. Even if Burhan and Nashwa getting Married, I see their marriage breaking, Because Nashwa loves to pick up fights with him. Even due to professional rivalry, they could have fights.

Arguing or disagreeing with a partner doesn't make someone a 'bad' spouse. Every relationship will have its conflicts, but it's how those disagreements are handled that matters. Healthy communication and mutual respect are key. As for Beenish and Burhan, marriage should be based on mutual love and commitment, not the presence of a child. While Beenish's son is important, it shouldn't be the driving factor behind their decision to marry. Marriage isn't fragile—disagreements are normal, but how they resolve them together determines the strength of their bond.

Coming back to the show, I don't think Beenish would ever marry Burhan, as she sees Nashwa as a sister and knows Burhan is in love with her. If there's even the slightest chance of Burhan and Nashwa being together after Ammar faces consequences for his actions, it would completely disrupt the dynamics.

As I've mentioned before, I still believe Nashwa should ultimately break free from her toxic environment, starting with divorcing Ammar. After that, it should be up to Burhan and Nashwa to decide together whether they want to pursue a relationship or part ways.

It's pretty clear from all the constant mocking and taunting who's in need of a crash course on real vs. reel! No one’s denying anything. If people can love Ammar as a character despite his criminal ways, then there shouldn’t be a meltdown or taunting just because someone prefers Burhan over Ammar. People really need to snap out of Lalaland and realize that Nameer isn’t Ammar, and Ammar isn’t Nameer—just like Usama isn’t Burhan, and Burhan isn’t Usama! First, they fangirl over their fave characters, then throw shade at anyone with a different opinion n call them fangirls,( I was labelled as " usama" fan just because i prefer burhan over ammar.. lol)n then they play the victim when the tables are turned . Classic move!

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Haha, classic! The "holier-than-thou" act strikes again. First, they bully anyone who doesn't share their view, then suddenly turn into the "civic sense" professors. And when someone dares to give it back? Cue the dramatic "how dare you moral police me?" routine. 😂

Honestly, it's like watching kids throw a tantrum—can't handle a difference of opinion, yet ready to lecture others. Maybe it's time they head back to "6th grade" and learn a thing or two about maturity first!

Girl why do you attack me so much? It's been months and I feel strange. I hope you get my tone and it's not rude. I'm just done yaar. I wasn't talking about you but in general. It's also X. But I'm made to feel uncomfortable here right now.

Also, I don't even interact with your posts anymore...I thought that would help. I feel there is this huge anger towards my thinking or POV and I don't understand why. I feel everyone is very respectful.here. they will let me know if they disagree or not reply to it.

Yaar Tum mere enabler bat leke mere piche pari ho for months so of course I'll give it back at times because it's an attack on my morals. I have made my stance clear and feel tired.

I mean no offense and I respect you.

I'm just chatting with sans and it's nice to have her here. Please don't make it awkward or difficult for us here.

And Chill yaar. We're almost done. 1 more week!

I'm sure there is a solution.

We can welcome many people and their opinions here and still totally disagree.

Also, the sixth grade thing I said in general. Not sure why are you taunting me? Because I speak from the fact as to how the self proclaimed yumna Stanz called her an enabling lover, shaming her for rejecting a man and calling her deserving of her situation.

I do not talk out of my ....... I see how people are reacting and speak on it from my pov

Also block me. I would have blocked you but honestly I didn't feel the need as I understand where you're coming from and I respect that. I hope my tone is not lost in translation. It's not a taunt btw.

But let's agree to disagree to some things

Originally posted by: Alizba63

Girl why do you attack me so much? It's been months and I feel strange. I hope you get my tone and it's not rude. I'm just done yaar. I wasn't talking about you but in general. It's also X. But I'm made to feel uncomfortable here right now.

Yaar Tum mere enbaler bat leke mere piche pari ho for months so of course I'll give it back at times because it's an attack on my morals. I have made my stance clear and feel tired.

I mean no offense and I respect you.

I'm just chatting with sans and it's nice to have her here. Please don't make it awkward or difficult for us here.

And Chill yaar. We're almost done. 1 more week!

I'm sure there is a solution.

We can welcome many people and their opinions here and still totally disagree.

Also, the sixth grade thing I said in general. Not sure why are you taunting me? Because I speak from the fact as to how the self proclaimed human Stanz called her an enabling lover, shaming her for rejecting a man and calling her deserving of her situation.

I do not talk out of my ....... I see how people are reacting and speak on it from my pov

Also block me. I would have blocked you but honestly I didn't feel the need as I understand where you're coming from and I respect that. I hope my tone is not lost in translation. It's not a taunt btw.

But let's agree to disagree to some things

I’ve always tried to be respectful, but the constant bashing and taunting is getting to me. You and I both know what’s going on here—I’m not naive to the targets. I had respect for you , but you suddenly started mocking people’s English and civic sense just because they didn’t share your views.

I watch the show for Yumna, and my opinions are based on the characters, not the actors. I don’t like Usama or Nameer’s acting, and Nameer hasn’t impressed me yet. Just because I disagree with shipping problematic characters doesn’t mean I deserve to be taunted. I won’t stay silent if someone disrespects me—I’ll give it back in the same tone.

There were parallels being drawn between people who liked the hero of yumna's previous commercial show and called out for having problem with Ammar, implying that this somehow proves we’re "shipping" Yumna with the hero from that show for real. LOL!

And just to clarify, I’m well past the age where I’d sit around fantasizing about certain actors or actresses being a couple in real life—it's honestly a bit ridiculous!

Since you’ve confronted me, I felt it was important to share my thoughts. Like you said, let’s agree to disagree, and I hope we can continue here with mutual respect—disagreeing without shading or mocking anyone, and without any judgment.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I’ve always tried to be respectful, but the constant bashing and taunting is getting to me. You and I both know what’s going on here—I’m not naive to the targets. I had respect for you , but you suddenly started mocking people’s English and civic sense just because they didn’t share your views.

I watch the show for Yumna, and my opinions are based on the characters, not the actors. I don’t like Usama or Nameer’s acting, and Nameer hasn’t impressed me yet. Just because I disagree with shipping problematic characters doesn’t mean I deserve to be taunted. I won’t stay silent if someone disrespects me—I’ll give it back in the same tone.

There were parallels being drawn between people who liked the hero of yumna's previous commercial show and called out for having problem with Ammar, implying that this somehow proves we’re "shipping" Yumna with the hero from that show for real. LOL!

And just to clarify, I’m well past the age where I’d sit around fantasizing about certain actors or actresses being a couple in real life—it's honestly a bit ridiculous!

Since you’ve confronted me, I felt it was important to share my thoughts. Like you said, let’s agree to disagree, and I hope we can continue here with mutual respect—disagreeing without shading or mocking anyone, and without any judgment.

No, I hear you. I did say about the civic thing as due process cannot be denied even to a war criminal who we saw committing crimes for years but some people were like anyone who wants trial and more information from it are enabler lover. That really upset me. Which is why I said some may not know civics. This is a court drama and due process is very vital in reel and real especially in this one. I hope that clarifies my thoughts process.

But girl I hope not the English part. I don't think I mentioned anything about that. I literally take it chill and generally do not use any punctuation and make a hundreds of typos. I'm surprised sometimes that people get it.

It is okay to have a different view but I felt really attacked by the subtle hints at morals constantly and everytime I shared something. Then multiple blocked people would read my post by signing out and then I would see their judgement when they got quoted by others. Not by one but multiple people. With SS and second accounts and what not. I have been receiving it from multiples. So it's been really unfair to me. It's an entire group.

I know that some here that I disagree with don't ship hard and that's fine. No one is an Usama fan because they don't want Ammar Nashwa lol. But majority overall do ship on all platforms. Some neutrals who skip scenes and episodes also do that. I mostly speak to that.

Anyhow, just ignore me

https://x.com/donnapaulsen/status/1902598013895180465?t=ZLnaV7ma7R-Y7VuZimwuzQ&s=19

Someone make me understand this Burhan Beenish logic? The show has beaten our heads with the fact that Burhan is another aashiq in true love just like his father. He’s in so deep when it comes to Nashwa. And Nashwa’s feelings are clear as day too. Her eyes, the way Burhan calls out her lies, the way she’s always constantly thinking about him 24/7. Even on her wedding night ffs.

Beenish ko tou Burhan behen keh chuka hai bhai 🙏

Anyway, I am super excited for next episodes! Promo was banger! Getting goosebumps already. Also I’ve LOVED the critic takes on Qarz e Jaan last week. They all brought up amazing points. Nashwa’s humanity, the way she feels cornered and Ammar’s arc as a common criminal. Super realistic and I feel it’s because the writer herself experienced something like this. Someone she knew who one day just came and murdered her father. In such cases the signs are there which hint that someone is maybe going off the rails but nobody in the family takes it seriously. And it’s only later when suddenly something strikes too close to home that it becomes a wake up call.

I don’t need to go into details about how many criminals and rapists still roam free in our society. Enjoying the influence and protection of their families who are either living in denial or don’t care about what happens to random strangers as long as unn ki apni izzat banni rahay. These toxic people and families are way too common. Who always protect and enable the black sheeps of the family.

I know the cost is huge. I feel so bad for Asad and Beenish but I am ready for the unholy trilogy of Ammar Bakhtiyar and Barkat to suffer now. I’m sitting with my 🍿 ready