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Originally posted by: pilot100

I again repeat. I never had any problem of Nashwa not reciprocating his love. Even if she doesn’t love him it's fine. Her choice. But I am angry at her constant disrespect towards him right from the beginning even before her marriage to Ammar. And yesterday on the road why was she extremely rude to him, when all he was just offering her to drop her back. She never shows any attitude to Ammar but she shows so much attitude to Burhan. Plus she could have easily confided with Burhan about the deal. That is the least respect she could have given him. Also, the dialogues she said to Bisma, that Burhan has always been lucky, was the last nail in the coffin. I mean, even he has seen his parents getting killed and had to undergo a childhood trauma of adoption etc. Which child deserves that. I found her to be jealous of him in that scene.

Anyway I hope Burhan pays heed to Asim advice and moves on in life. For that he either has to move back to UK or marry someone who can give him the emotional support. Faryal was best for him, but she is gone and he has Aldready told NO to her. So beenish is the next best option for him. Because i know she will be a good wife. But I don't want Nashwa and Burhan to Marry, because I am sure even after marriage, she won't be a good wife to Burhan. She is too cold and stone hearted. If nothing, she will pick up fight with him for his professional choice and decisions too, ot if anything happens to her mothers, she might just blame him.She only loves her mother and law, which she will get by the end of the story. All i see Nashwa is as an impulsive, egoistic and immature girl. And I don't feel sorry for her current state as she is the one who chose this. It's better they both be single and independent and make peace with life.

I see what you mean. Both you and storm make valid points and it could go either ways.

If Nashwa wants to be with Burhan when the dust settles that is a great thing. He is a man every girl deserves. Be it Beenish, Nashwa or Faryal. However, a girl's choice must be respected as well. While I know she made no promises to Burhan and tells him clearly that she has no regrets for choosing her mother over him, they still had an unsaid bond. That bond was of understanding and respect. By the time he confessed she was already married and did not have time to develop her thoughts that way. Which is why she appears almost uncaring at times.

She also is her own person. She thinks he didn't suffer as much compared to her during their upbringing because when a person is struggling for basic rights like shelter and food while getting harassed by family members and taunted then love is the last thing on her mind. She and her mom struggled for survival. That creates a whole different human being with an altered mind. Remember kashaf from Zindagi Gulzar hai? She always reacted oddly to simply situations but it was her trauma.

Also, every person reacts to trauma differently. Some recover really well with positive support like Asim's while some become like Nashwa (being the helpless Bisma's daughter) or even Ammar from the childhood abuse. When Burhan's parents died he was a child and Nashwa was a baby when her dad passed. One often doesn't develop concrete feelings for people they never "met" or grew up with in that sense. They sound like stories.

She is hurt for hurting him but in her head she made no promises or gave any indication. She is right. But Burhan is right that they did have something unsaid - it was an understanding and respect. This is very unlike Asim and Bisma's story where both were already in love and confessed to each other and made promises. Both stayed in love even after decades and when there was no hope for a reunion. Asim never married and Bisma's hand's were tied.

There are some parallels between Bisma and Asim and Nashwa-Burhan but I'm sorry their entire story is somewhat different. They have a different origin. Burhan Nashwa ended before it even started while Asim-Bisma was a life long saga going back to their youth. So, it is just the panicky attempt of shippers to say this is the only acceptable ending.

What they're saying is Nashwa is a waste and unfulfilled if she doesn't choose and end up with Burhan. I feel differently. Neither Burhan or Nashwa or Beenish or any other being whether married divorced widowed or never married like Asim is a waste with an unfulfilled life. Why do these shippers sound like dado? They're afraid of Beenish like they were afraid and hateful of Faryal. Kahi Burhan ko na le Jaye lol. They even call Nashwa an enabler so why do you want her with your prince charming?

Can they just admit Burhan and Nashwa are great humans with some grey sides. It's okay to be grey.

Is Nashwa unfulfilled if she doesn't end up with him? No but I do think they compliment each other very well. And he understands her well. Though there were moments I felt he didn't understand enough when he said she did ziyati with him! Did he see her situation? She was being blackmailed! I do not think Nashwa owes Burhan love for being a good guy only.

Shippers make it sound like a transaction. He is a good guy so give him love. You must or we shame you. A good man or a woman never demands in love. They wait when needed, back off when needed and fight when needed just like Burhan does!

I'm glad Burhan pushed her to re-consider even after nikah but one thing that made me uncomfortable was his constant desire to touch her especially when she was clearly setting boundaries. I know touch might be his love language but still. He wouldn't stop.

To Nashwa, there is nothing more important than her mother and her career. Her career i feel will matter to her more than husband and children as she comes from financial trauma. To secure and save herself for life, she needs that career. She knows that even her mother or Burhan couldn't help her in situations..she has to fend for herself and never fully dependent on anyone. Also, her rudeness towards him is to protect him from getting hurt further. Even initially when she was like that, we need to understand that she comes from trauma and cannot comprehend a man respecting her for just being herself and existing. In the hospital scenes we see Nashwa realize how a woman and a girl deserves to be treated. She's naive and because of all the trauma love is very complicated for her.

Burhan and Nashwa both deserve good things and I feel it's coming! Together or not. Yes, I hope after this criminal saga is closed, she talks to him with more calmness. It's just that she's always in flight or fight mode.

I don't know what will happen but I'm excited! Hoping for a logical and sort of a happy ending ... whatever that entails.

Originally posted by: Alizba63

I see what you mean. Both you and storm make valid points and it could go either ways.

If Nashwa wants to be with Burhan when the dust settles that is a great thing. He is a man every girl deserves. Be it Beenish, Nashwa or Faryal. However, a girl's choice must be respected as well. While I know she made no promises to Burhan and tells him clearly that she has no regrets for choosing her mother over him, they still had an unsaid bond. That bond was of understanding and respect. By the time he confessed she was already married and did not have time to develop her thoughts that way. Which is why she appears almost uncaring at times.

She also is her own person. She thinks he didn't suffer as much compared to her during their upbringing because when a person is struggling for basic rights like shelter and food while getting harassed by family members and taunted then love is the last thing on her mind. She and her mom struggled for survival. That creates a whole different human being with an altered mind. Remember kashaf from Zindagi Gulzar hai? She always reacted oddly to simply situations but it was her trauma.

Also, every person reacts to trauma differently. Some recover really well with positive support like Asim's while some become like Nashwa (being the helpless Bisma's daughter) or even Ammar from the childhood abuse. When Burhan's parents died he was a child and Nashwa was a baby when her dad passed. One often doesn't develop concrete feelings for people they never "met" or grew up with in that sense. They sound like stories.

She is hurt for hurting him but in her head she made no promises or gave any indication. She is right. But Burhan is right that they did have something unsaid - it was an understanding and respect. This is very unlike Asim and Bisma's story where both were already in love and confessed to each other and made promises. Both stayed in love even after decades and when there was no hope for a reunion. Asim never married and Bisma's hand's were tied.

There are some parallels between Bisma and Asim and Nashwa-Burhan but I'm sorry their entire story is somewhat different. They have a different origin. Burhan Nashwa ended before it even started while Asim-Bisma was a life long saga going back to their youth. So, it is just the panicky attempt of shippers to say this is the only acceptable ending.

What they're saying is Nashwa is a waste and unfulfilled if she doesn't choose and end up with Burhan. I feel differently. Neither Burhan or Nashwa or Beenish or any other being whether married divorced widowed or never married like Asim is a waste with an unfulfilled life. Why do these shippers sound like dado? They're afraid of Beenish like they were afraid and hateful of Faryal. Kahi Burhan ko na le Jaye lol. They even call Nashwa an enabler so why do you want her with your prince charming?

Can they just admit Burhan and Nashwa are great humans with some grey sides. It's okay to be grey.

Is Nashwa unfulfilled if she doesn't end up with him? No but I do think they compliment each other very well. And he understands her well. Though there were moments I felt he didn't understand enough when he said she did ziyati with him! Did he see her situation? She was being blackmailed! I do not think Nashwa owes Burhan love for being a good guy only.

Shippers make it sound like a transaction. He is a good guy so give him love. You must or we shame you. A good man or a woman never demands in love. They wait when needed, back off when needed and fight when needed just like Burhan does!

I'm glad Burhan pushed her to re-consider even after nikah but one thing that made me uncomfortable was his constant desire to touch her especially when she was clearly setting boundaries. I know touch might be his love language but still. He wouldn't stop.

To Nashwa, there is nothing more important than her mother and her career. Her career i feel will matter to her more than husband and children as she comes from financial trauma. To secure and save herself for life, she needs that career. She knows that even her mother or Burhan couldn't help her in situations..she has to fend for herself and never fully dependent on anyone. Also, her rudeness towards him is to protect him from getting hurt further. Even initially when she was like that, we need to understand that she comes from trauma and cannot comprehend a man respecting her for just being herself and existing. In the hospital scenes we see Nashwa realize how a woman and a girl deserves to be treated. She's naive and because of all the trauma love is very complicated for her.

Burhan and Nashwa both deserve good things and I feel it's coming! Together or not. Yes, I hope after this criminal saga is closed, she talks to him with more calmness. It's just that she's always in flight or fight mode.

I don't know what will happen but I'm excited! Hoping for a logical and sort of a happy ending ... whatever that entails.

You put it up quite well.

But yes I don't think Burhan has not understood Nashwa circumstances. He is simply very hurt,that she didn't trust him enough to share her problems. They shared a mentor and mentee relationship plus their boths goal in life was same, i.e to get asim and bisma married. With that respect atleast she could have trusted him a bit. And it's a fact, just imagine had Nashwa seeked his advice about this stupid deal, how different circumstances would have been. You really think Burhan would not habe found another way out to come out of this mess? I just cannot buy Nashwa decisions to Marry Ammar just because of a mere blackmaile. She could have used her law degree and many other things to come out of this situation. So not only Burhan but even I am very angry with this decision of hers. And even Bisma is very hurt. I don't understand how could Nashwa think that Bisma will be happy seeing her daughter in that house.

But I guess eventually he will understand and come to terms with Asim advice, that it was a one sided love from his side and Nashwa doesn't owe to love him back. So I guess he will move on and he should. By moving on means, either he should go back to UK or marry someone else. But I don't want him to wait and pin for Nashwa all his life. Moving to UK would be the best option as he doesn't have to face Nashwa every day and it would be easy for him to forget her.

Originally posted by: pilot100

You put it up quite well.

But yes I don't think Burhan has not understood Nashwa circumstances. He is simply very hurt,that she didn't trust him enough to share her problems. They shared a mentor and mentee relationship plus their boths goal in life was same, i.e to get asim and bisma married. With that respect atleast she could have trusted him a bit. And it's a fact, just imagine had Nashwa seeked his advice about this stupid deal, how different circumstances would have been. You really think Burhan would not habe found another way out to come out of this mess? I just cannot buy Nashwa decisions to Marry Ammar just because of a mere blackmaile. She could have used her law degree and many other things to come out of this situation. So not only Burhan but even I am very angry with this decision of hers. And even Bisma is very hurt. I don't understand how could Nashwa think that Bisma will be happy seeing her daughter in that house.

But I guess eventually he will understand and come to terms with Asim advice, that it was a one sided love from his side and Nashwa doesn't owe to love him back. So I guess he will move on and he should. By moving on means, either he should go back to UK or marry someone else. But I don't want him to wait and pin for Nashwa all his life. Moving to UK would be the best option as he doesn't have to face Nashwa every day and it would be easy for him to forget her.

No, you're right. I don't think he understood it and that is why the whole thing happened. Life goal was the same? Yes but what did both do to make it happen? Nashwa wanted mom married to a good person initially, not necessarily Asim. She just wanted her out of the house at all cost after seeing her suffer. Nashwa feels like she is Bisma's mom. That happens in parent child relationships when you watch a parent suffer. Anger and vulnerable confidence builds up and you feel that you can decide for that parent who is docile without consulting them because they will hurt or hinder a process in order to escape.

Nashwa is the one who was trying to become independent and it was her whole hearted attempt alone which got Bisma married. Burhan although a through and through gentleman and a gold of a human being no doubt also has Asim's qualities. He steps back at times. Remember when Bisma fainted and he told bijaan let's go home? I was happy that he knew as a lawyer when to avoid an eruption but now that I think of it, he could have argued.

Thinking from Nashwa's POV, she wouldn't share this deal with anyone. Even if Nashwa was in love or had heard him confess, I feel she wouldn't share the deal. Shed still sacrifice. She wouldn't do anything to jeopardise her mother's future. Because she knows a death threat to her mom is no joke. Also, if Burhan handled it his way then what if it only freed Nashwa and not Bisma. And in her mind she didn't know how long it would take or how it would work out. She didn't have time. Her marriage to Ammar was coming anyways and this was the perfect opportunity to make a deal because she was going to reject that marriage anyways (or was she? She always seemed chill about her marriage). Nashwa just decided that she couldn't take the risk of sharing this with anyone and even creating a slight chance of stopping her mom's marriage. She knows if Burhan heard of the deal of her marrying Ammar then he'd react emotionally as well. Maybe she thought that Burhan would then prioritize Nashwa's escape more than Bisma and something wouldn't work out for her mom. She just put her mom first....that's all.

Also, she did tell Burhan before the ruksati. They had some time, no? Why didn't he do something right after both of them cried and let it out. You can do a lot even in 24 hours. He is a barrister. He must know top judges of the country who pass or block laws or friends. They could have investigated their business or even the mahi case? At least arrest and stall? Are you telling me that both of them got scared of the death threat? It's okay they're human but why did Burhan not fight enough? He said big things but what were his actions? Why did he not take any action on his own ?

I found him passive like Asim at times but his dialogus always says he will fight...but he never did when he had a chance. This is either fault in the writing or Rabia meant to show a human characteristic. I'm leaning towards the second. Like Asim says things but usually makes a very light attempt before sort of feeling defeated. I completely understand Asim. He is of soft nature and doesn't have a single mean or cruel bone and the fight against that family requires someone as twisted as them. I feel that we as humans sometimes become tired and cannot fight and go with the flow as the mind snaps. It is okay. Now it's important what happens next.

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Originally posted by: Alizba63

No, you're right. I don't think he understood it and that is why the whole thing happened. Life goal was the same? Yes but what did both do to make it happen? Nashwa wanted mom married to a good person initially, not necessarily Asim. She just wanted her out of the house at all cost after seeing her suffer. Nashwa feels like she is Bisma's mom. That happens in parent child relationships when you watch a parent suffer. Anger and vulnerable confidence builds up and you feel that you can decide for that parent who is docile without consulting them because they will hurt or hinder a process in order to escape.

Nashwa is the one who was trying to become independent and it was her whole hearted attempt alone which got Bisma married. Burhan although a through and through gentleman and a gold of a human being no doubt also has Asim's qualities. He steps back at times. Remember when Bisma fainted and he told bijaan let's go home? I was happy that he knew as a lawyer when to avoid an eruption but now that I think of it, he could have argued.

Thinking from Nashwa's POV, she wouldn't share this deal with anyone. Even if Nashwa was in love or had heard him confess, I feel she wouldn't share the deal. Shed still sacrifice. She wouldn't do anything to jeopardise her mother's future. Because she knows a death threat to her mom is no joke. Also, if Burhan handled it his way then what if it only freed Nashwa and not Bisma. And in her mind she didn't know how long it would take or how it would work out. She didn't have time. Her marriage to Ammar was coming anyways and this was the perfect opportunity to make a deal because she was going to reject that marriage anyways (or was she? She always seemed chill about her marriage). Nashwa just decided that she couldn't take the risk of sharing this with anyone and even creating a slight chance of stopping her mom's marriage. She knows if Burhan heard of the deal of her marrying Ammar then he'd react emotionally as well. Maybe she thought that Burhan would then prioritize Nashwa's escape more than Bisma and something wouldn't work out for her mom. She just put her mom first....that's all.

Also, she did tell Burhan before the ruksati. They had some time, no? Why didn't he do something right after both of them cried and let it out. You can do a lot even in 24 hours. He is a barrister. He must know top judges of the country who pass or block laws or friends. They could have investigated their business or even the mahi case? At least arrest and stall? Are you telling me that both of them got scared of the death threat? It's okay they're human but why did Burhan not fight enough? He said big things but what were his actions? Why did he not take any action on his own ?

I found him passive like Asim at times but his dialogus always says he will fight...but he never did when he had a chance. This is either fault in the writing or Rabia meant to show a human characteristic. I'm leaning towards the second. Like Asim says things but usually makes a very light attempt before sort of feeling defeated. I completely understand Asim. He is of soft nature and doesn't have a single mean or cruel bone and the fight against that family requires someone as twisted as them. I feel that we as humans sometimes become tired and cannot fight and go with the flow as the mind snaps. It is okay. Now it's important what happens next.

See we still don't know what happened with Maheen case. Maybe Burhan would have reopened but did not have any evidence against Ammar to get him arrested. Also this move of his would have come across as very selfish. Just to free Nashwa, he can't reopen Maheen case. And now he has kind of given up on Nashwa since he is angry and hurt by her decision. It will take some time for him to understand and heal I think.

Now also I feel he is going to defend Ammar to protect Nashwa. He might fear her death as Bakhtiyar can kill her, since she is the prosecutor. To some extent even Bisma might emotionally blackmaile him to save Nashwa marriage.

And I don't understand, why people are blaming him for not doing any efforts to get Asim and Bisma married. The very purpose of him coming to Pakistan and buying Asim own property, was to bring to bring Asim back into Bisma life. Ate you all expecting that he should have also done some stupid sacrifice like Nashwa and only then his efforts if getting them married would be acknowledged. I am sure Burhan and Nashwa could have teamed up and made this marriage possible even without any sacrifice. But Nashwa never trusted him.

Anyway I would just conclude by saying, that Nashwa doesn't deserve Burhan. Not because she rejected him, but I feel they are not compatible. I don't see her as a good wife for Burhan who would give him the love,care and emotional support which even Burhan needs. A good wife is someone who understands you emotionally, who loves you unconditionally and supports you in every decision. Who is matured enough to understand your problems and inner turmoil. Do you really see Nashwa having these qualities. I did see these qualities in Faryal though. To some extent, I see these qualities even in Beenish. But not in Nashwa. If at all they do get Married, I just see it ending on a bad note too, because for a marriage to work, 2 people have to put in efforts. Both parties have to compromise and adjust. Both have to be understanding towards each other. But in this I see only Burhan putting in all these efforts, because he is somewhat calm ,composed and matured and very Patient. But Sadly Nashwa is not. Maybe because of her circumstances 🤔. So I would be really happy if Burhan just accept this fact and moves on and get someone who is compatible with him.

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https://x.com/143umme/status/1911089366534926499?t=vS05nDwFIWrThD0QYrLRPg&s=19

Why mislead...he could have said he can't reveal...what Ammar did was inhuman

OMG!!! This Ammar not only killed asad , he video calls beenish n proudly shows her that he killed her husband!!!

I want to see how many are now going to blame the victim ( asad) just like how he was given clean chit in maheen ra*e n murder case.

Originally posted by: Achelvi

https://x.com/143umme/status/1911089366534926499?t=vS05nDwFIWrThD0QYrLRPg&s=19

Why mislead...he could have said he can't reveal...what Ammar did was inhuman

Even m curious. If this is grey, then m sorry we are living in a different world. This is not even black, it's insane level!! Ammar is a demon.

M curious to see how many will question Nameera for misleading , just like the way yumna was being bashed n shamed from so many days .