Ye dukh khatam kahe nahi hota be - Page 8

Originally posted by: carisma2

At Bold. I totally catch you drift Zeal.

Zeal KF caused issues ... After it was released.

I do believe we need to be aware. I don't disregard that. I agree with you 100 percent.

But it doesn't stop there.. it doesn't stop at being cautious and vigilant.

A lot of the audiences want to start feuds. That's when it becomes a problem. Are the audiences able to handle it?

Because of a minority grp who cause these issues, the wider community suffers as a result.

Rape, trafficking, killings need to be addressed no doubt.

And I'm not referring to just one post. Generally everywhere NP says many things which can be seen as instigating.. including questioning of a religious transcript in CC. I couldve replied and explained there... but I thought to leave him to it. That then no longer applies to a subset only.

There are movies showing the history of what happened to the coloured people back in the day. Unfortunately the black community is still compromised. Of course we need to know all this.

I just wanted to address this, so you know which angle I'm coming from. I think I covered it all. I don't want NPs thread to go to debate mansion.

No one wants feuds.. unfortunately we are too late for that. Had certain issues been properly addressed during the time of independence, we wouldn't have ended up in the state we are in today.

I won't delve into the details of transcripts, but the crux of the matter lies in the fact that some members of that community misuse it as a tool to instill wrongful behaviors in their unguided youth. Not only good people of that community gets impacted because of it but society at large suffers.

Why can't they respect the principle of keeping to themselves and not interfere with others practices their own religion?

Why they impose their religion and practices on others as soon as they become the majority?

These questions are not based on one or two incidents but on a repeated pattern of behavior.

Before you criticize or comment on what others are saying about your religion address the issues in hand raise your voice for your own community ask them to value mutual respect, peaceful coexistence, and freedom of religion.

Originally posted by: Zeal17

No one wants feuds.. unfortunately we are too late for that. Had certain issues been properly addressed during the time of independence, we wouldn't have ended up in the state we are in today.

I won't delve into the details of transcripts, but the crux of the matter lies in the fact that some members of that community misuse it as a tool to instill wrongful behaviors in their unguided youth. Not only good people of that community gets impacted because of it but society at large suffers.

Why can't they respect the principle of keeping to themselves and not interfere with others practices their own religion?

Why they impose their religion and practices on others as soon as they become the majority?

These questions are not based on one or two incidents but on a repeated pattern of behavior.

Before you criticize or comment on what others are saying about your religion address the issues in hand raise your voice for your own community ask them to value mutual respect, peaceful coexistence, and freedom of religion.

Originally posted by: 1t1svat1t1s

Just googled it. It was hard enough to read about it, wonder how anybody can watch it on the big screen. And isn’t it going to further traumatize the survivors who I believe are still living a stigmatized life? Btw this reminded me of the grooming gangs of UK.🤢

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang

Originally posted by: Zeal17

No one wants feuds.. unfortunately we are too late for that. Had certain issues been properly addressed during the time of independence, we wouldn't have ended up in the state we are in today.

I won't delve into the details of transcripts, but the crux of the matter lies in the fact that some members of that community misuse it as a tool to instill wrongful behaviors in their unguided youth. Not only good people of that community gets impacted because of it but society at large suffers.

Why can't they respect the principle of keeping to themselves and not interfere with others practices their own religion?

Why they impose their religion and practices on others as soon as they become the majority?

These questions are not based on one or two incidents but on a repeated pattern of behavior.

Before you criticize or comment on what others are saying about your religion address the issues in hand raise your voice for your own community ask them to value mutual respect, peaceful coexistence, and freedom of religion.

I agree with everything you said.

But at Bold...

I think you've knit yourself in to my talk with NP.

Where now we have a more clearer understanding of each others stances.

Regarding the back drop, I'm really glad you did knit yourself in. There is an extra amount of info you bring with you which I appreciate.

I wasn't criticising, I was trying to answer the title.. of how we as a society are failing and how to try and make things better.

I'm not biased Zeal. Last year the incident I mentioned was not a one off. There were riots going on been hindu and Muslims. Mostly the lads. Both were as bad as each other. I spoke up against both. I think you missed the part where I said we should all be there for one another.

I know a little about your religion too, if someone misunderstands it, I will have them corrected also.

I want to ask you these issues you and NP are referring to, is it more so in whole of India or certain areas. Because generally the hindu population is larger by far in India. Is it a pattern in specific areas? Where Hindus are a minority?

Originally posted by: carisma2

In England last year, 30 hindu boys beat up 1 Muslim lad.

In 20 years hopefully someone will make a movie regarding that. Let's discuss that then too.

These film makers keep showing the past history which is one sided. Believe it or not Natkhat.. there are two sides to a coin and similarly to a story. Each country tries to make their side a victim.

People like you buy into it. Why the regression? Why are you walking backwards. Its time to evolve and unite. You are part of the new generation.. then why are people living in hate and past hate.

Islam and all religions teach us to be Good humans. Have humanity. Don't you want that? Your posts all week have been negative and instigating.

Be the man of today, forget the past.. reject these films. Think how we can make a better start from today to create harmony and a positive future.

Stop spreading the hate bro.

Gham, what gham?... this topic excites you to create content.

You rem, Covid time Hindus were helping Muslims, and vice versa to Bury and burn dead bodies. Why no one talks about that. Why no movie showing that.

I can promise you, I'm a Muslim, and you are a hindu. If you were in trouble and I was there..I will not look at your race. You are my brother in humanity... I'd come in to help you. Like wise I'm sure you will too.

Seriously it's down to the more educated and new generation of people to do better. Promote that.

I'm not against movies showing what's happening, the movie the profile was a perfect example. Awareness is good... but as long as it's with the right intent.

I hope I've answered your topic question.. yeh gham thab khatam hoga, when ppl unite... and everyone moves to a positive change. Othervise no one will get out of the rip of hatred.

👏 Thankyou. Some get really excited when something evil is done by a Muslim and they just can't wait to blame the religion. They look at it in the religious perspective not from a evil and good perspective. They're acting as if the people of their religion hasn't done anything wrong. No religion promotes evil but the evil is created by humans. Thousand of MUSLIMS are dying in Syria and Palestine, what was their fault? Why nobody is concerned about them? Maybe cause of their religion?

These films which are being made might show the true story...that some muslim people have done something evil but they're showing in such a way that our religion encourages us to do that, whereas in our Holy Quran it's written "Killing someone is the biggest sin" and our Prophet (s.m) said that A muslim is true muslim only if one is saved from his hand and tongue.

We come to this forum to have fun. Atleast some members should have a basic courtesy to respect others religion since here there are different people following different religion.

Originally posted by: Basskarrr

. If you write this as it is this applies to all religions. What you’ve written don’t apply to just one particular religion, this paragraph is one size fits all..

This was my attempt in being neutral in this situation.. English is not my forte 😆

Originally posted by: Ottocake

👏 Thankyou. Some get really excited when something evil is done by a Muslim and they just can't wait to blame the religion. They look at it in the religious perspective not from a evil and good perspective. They're acting as if the people of their religion hasn't done anything wrong. No religion promotes evil but the evil is created by humans. Thousand of MUSLIMS are dying in Syria and Palestine, what was their fault? Why nobody is concerned about them? Maybe cause of their religion?

These films which are being made might show the true story...that some muslim people have done something evil but they're showing in such a way that our religion encourages us to do that, whereas in our Holy Quran it's written "Killing someone is the biggest sin" and our Prophet (s.m) said that A muslim is true muslim only if one is saved from his hand and tongue.

We come to this forum to have fun. Atleast some members should have a basic courtesy to respect others religion since here there are different people following different religion.

Courtesy and respect are required from both sides. It's not a responsibility of one side alone.

But please tell me where have i been disrespectful? Asking questions or raising issues is disrespectful? I guess one side should just remain silent, and not discuss about films depicting atrocities on them, so that u can have your uninterrupted fun. 🤔

Originally posted by: NatkhatPyare

Courtesy and respect are required from both sides. It's not a responsibility of one side alone.

But please tell me where have i been disrespectful? Asking questions or raising issues is disrespectful? I guess one side should just remain silent, and not discuss about films depicting atrocities on them, so that u can have your uninterrupted fun. 🤔

When did we post against your religion? I've never seen anyone posting anything bad about your religion. I sometimes see tweets about hindus hurting muslims, but never posted here cause I know it will offend the people who follow that religion and I don't such kind of intention.

It was okay if you would have just discussed about the movie only but some of you go personal and try to bring religion there. Last time you posted a tweet about how muslims encourage ISIS, was it about a movie? When I spoke against it, a fellow muslim who was quite an active member here thanked me for doing that and also said she feels very uncomfortable coming here nowadays. She also said another member was called "terrorist" in this forum. Why should this happen? Why should she feel uncomfortable? Isn't this forum for all? There was a terrorist attack in my country too, where alot of people died. The attackers were muslim who were brainwashed to join ISIS. Do you think we were happy about that? Do you think we were proud of them?

I have seen you posting tweets against muslim in the CC section it's like as if muslims are the one who are doing bad aur sab dudh ke dhuley. If you want to raise your voice, then please do so ...but not only against one community.

Maybe its not my place to say but my unbiased view is that some here pretend they want a healthy discussion whereas truth is they’ve made up their mind and nothing gonna change their perspective.

Originally posted by: Ottocake

When did we post against your religion? I've never seen anyone posting anything bad about your religion. I sometimes see tweets about hindus hurting muslims, but never posted here cause I know it will offend the people who follow that religion and I don't such kind of intention.

You have selective reading it seems that u haven't seen anyone posting bad about my religion.

Who all do you include in we? When i said your side it included secular liberal wokes too, for whom FOE will come in danger if they don't post against us.

It's good that u don't post such tweets which hurt others. But let me inform you ( if it's already not clear enough) - I thrive on offending people. I'm not a gentle caring person like you. Don't expect me to be like you...

It was okay if you would have just discussed about the movie only but some of you go personal and try to bring religion there. Last time you posted a tweet about how muslims encourage ISIS, was it about a movie? When I spoke against it, a fellow muslim who was quite an active member here thanked me for doing that and also said she feels very uncomfortable coming here nowadays. She also said another member was called "terrorist" in this forum. Why should this happen? Why should she feel uncomfortable? Isn't this forum for all? There was a terrorist attack in my country too, where alot of people died. The attackers were muslim who were brainwashed to join ISIS. Do you think we were happy about that? Do you think we were proud of them?

I can't take responsibility of others. Tell me when did I go personal with you? Also when i post a tweet it doesn't mean I agree with its each and every word. I do remember having an argument with you but I don't remember which specific tweet. Can u post the ss of which tweet u r talking about?

Many members have told me as well that they don't come here anymore because of the personal attacks of a jhund and because it has become a hub of pseudo intellectuals and wokes. So ... Shall i start go blaming others, telling them it's their fault that my friends don't want to visit here? Also the one who was called terrorist supported the STSJ slogans.

Also the onus of reforming your community lies on your community itself. Instead of telling other people to keep quite, if ur community put even a fraction of that effort in its own reforms then the world would be much more peaceful.

I have seen you posting tweets against muslim in the CC section it's like as if muslims are the one who are doing bad aur sab dudh ke dhuley. If you want to raise your voice, then please do so ...but not only against one community.

I post tweets against people who are doing wrong. If u r not doing wrong then why are u so offended? If u don't take the collective responsibility for everyone's wrongdoings then don't feel offended on their behalf too.

Finally why should i monkey balance and raise voice against all communities? Do u raise your voice when people here disrespect my religion like you are doing for your own religion now? At that time u are conveniently in silent mode. But expect ME to raise voice for everyone. Double standards much? 🤔

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