Whose success is just luck? - Page 7

Originally posted by: Dimdim

Ajay Devgan
Saif Ali Khan

These guys both were mediocre and worse when they hit the screen. Still they had decent careers. Luck it is

They are among Best actors Bollywood had in last 30 years

Lulz.

Calm down.

Who is hating on SRK?

These things are his strengths.

First read whole discussions then talk.

I just said he was lucky that his rivals were badly behaved and fought with everyone from media to biggie filmmakers while he was generally obedient to bigwigs. And I wrote it in response to someone else who asked why would Chopras favour SRK.

Chopras got attitude from everyone else but not from SRK. So they had to patronize him and he benefitted a lot from it.

That was the point.

SRK is a darling of media unlike other stars and he has hardly fought with media the way other stars did. He did not sue media or speak even when his family was targeted. Any other star would have sued media for that coverage. Or bashed media.

Aamir had gone bonkers when media wrote against him, his dad, his divorce, his affair with Jessica Hines etc. He banned awards, he fell out with co stars, banned media, fought with editors etc so he got less coverage and less favourable coverage among masses. He even deleted online ids. He hardly connects with his few fans either.

In contrast SRK has never done any such thing, so he has a better image among masses. He never makes political comments either, which is again, his strength. Like YRF suffered losses worth crores when Aamir got into NBA controversy and refused to apologise and Fanaa was banned in Gujarat. Producers do not take risk with volatile celebs like these. Nor do ad makers or brands. Aamir has been kicked out of Innova, Coke, Snapdeal, Vedantu etc for his political controversies.

Unlike say, Aamir, SRK is a very safe and less volatile choice for producers and companies because he avoids fighting with politicians or juries, editors etc. So it is good for him and his image or stardom.

The post was NOT about luck but in response to others who talked about Chopras and Dharma favouring SRK over others.

An obedient, talented guy who knows what to speak or not, is better than others who are loose cannons no matter what talent or looks they have.

Salman's looks or Aamir's acting took backseat when they messed own lives or sat at home taking breaks or fought with everyone from co stars to media.

Hrithik had looks and was not controversial but he takes too many breaks and does too few films too. So obviously SRK was the only viable A lister available for masses and usually did family friendly films which were not vulgar, so came on top despite weak voice, average looks and doing same NRI romances for 2 decades.

I was responding to someone else. Though I do not think SRK is running solely due to luck. He is not a totally talentless ragdoll.

So where is the hatred here?

I have praised his behaviour as a preferred well mannered outsider with talent and charisma when others had talent or looks but totally no good behaviour at all nor kissed ass of media or editors or senior filmmakers or politicians.

Outspoken ones usually get rough end of the stick in India. Amitabh was destroyed when he tried to speak out or plunged in political controversies or fought with media.

SRK understands desi culture somewhat more now. So keeps it toned down, which serves him and helps his survival. Good for him.

Very much calm. Honestly, you aren't fooling me 'coz I really read all your posts & replied only after that. Your mocking tone, passive aggressive remarks was very much visible but whatever..

Honestly, I do wonder if pulling someone down that too very unnecessarily & unreasonably, does that make one's favourite look brighter. & No! It's not about SRK or BW but I've noticed this happened mostly to the artist's who are hard working, self made, talented & popular. Anyway, keep going. You aren't the 1st one to do it, neither is the last one. Those who wants to survive, determined to, will! Goodnight.

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was patronized because he was a pliable newcomer compared to Aamir and Salman who were known to be difficult and accused of having attitude.

I have heard SRK was totally obedient to Chopras and never refused them or questioned them.

Unlike Aamir who had questioned Yash Chopra, asked for joint narration with Sunny and later also he accused Yash Chopra of being a liar. He was too outspoken for a newcomer.

SRK may act all witty or wisecrack in interviews or take digs at rivals but he has never dared to speak against powerful and bigger people.

Industry in India rewards not just talent but also silence, obedience and chaaplusi. Abhay Deol had spoken how hierarchical Indian industry is and how they want chamcha types, hate being questioned or critiqued.

SRK had pandered to ego of Chopras when no one else did. And he, being an outsider, had no choice except to massage egos of biggies and was too happy to get any work.

Aamir, Salman, Sanjay, Sunny etc had fought with media also. SRK never went against media despite his frustrations at media trying to link him to co stars. He rather befriended editors and journos.

He has not just made it due to talent but also due to great Indian expectation of being sycophant to powers that be. He was even ready to dance at weddings and private parties of rich and famous who later patronized him in return. Unlike other stars who would refuse to attend parties for a fee.

SRK had never stepped out of comfort zone once he struck gold with romantic films, NRI romances. And a man with average looks, weak voice and height, making it so far, doing same type of films, benefiting from lousy rivals and lack of good competition, is obviously lucky.

Though I would NEVER say SRK's success is JUST or ONLY due to luck. He has more to him than luck and he is indeed really good in romantic roles and has a charm onscreen.

He is not talentless plastic nor so useless that he does not even know any Indian language properly and still got work.

But yeah he did benefit due to his chaaplusi, media savvy ways, never disturbing powerful biggies in industry.

He is also smart enough to never speak on political or social issues unlike stupid Aamir who was openly bashing Modi or foolish Salman who defended Modi for 2002 riots.

He is lucky in sense that his rivals often lost their way or dug own grave too or took breaks leaving only him as a more watchable commercial A lister.

I would not say his success is just due to luck though.

You totally missed my point.....or chose to ignore....😆..Forget about being obedient and chaploos....a lot of people must have been ready to do that......Why would Yash Chopra and Yash Jauhar keep on repeating SRK???? Because he made PROFIT for them.....huge profits......got it.....If you were a business woman....would you invest your money on someone who was doing your chaploosi but was creating losses for you??? You would have kicked them out the first time itself....Chaploosi and being obedient might work in Government jobs......not in businesses where millions of dollars is at stake....

If chaploosi was in SRK's blood ...he would have been a chaploos of Modi and escaped will problems....He might be obedient out of respect...but chaploos ...nah...

I am so surprised at such illogical reasoning from you Atominis ji....I know you don't hate SRK...like some hardcore haters here do....this is the reason I am trying to debate with you...

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

?? what is this history rewriting. 😆😆😆 SRK could’ve sucked up to the Chopras etc but you’re totally wrong about his behaviour in the 90s. He was accused by lot of journos of being an “angry Delhi boy/ “sakt launda”. 😆 He fought with a LOT of journos in the 90s & some have even said how scared they were of him. He was known for picking fights everywhere. The Chopras doted on SRK for many reasons, he had integrated himself well into their family. But it wasn’t only b/c he sucked up to them. 😆 Lot of actors did that, none had the relationship that SRK had. 😆 They clearly saw in him what everyone did/does. It was only in the 2000s that SRK calmed TF down & mellowed down… Or maybe not b/c we’ve the Kunder SlapGate & Wakhande Stadium debacle to show us that. 😆😆

So true...I don't know where people are hearing the stories of him being chaploos...🤣

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was always more media friendly compared to other stars. He is still the ONLY one to arrange biscuits, water and tea for mediapersons outside his home and the only one to attend parties of editors, media barons, agree to appear at any media summit such as India today or NDTV and also invite editors to his own home and parties.

In 90s when a group of stars like AB sr, Anupam, Mithun, Sanjay, Salman, Aamir etc had banned media and spoken against magazines, SRK was only one who did not join group of stars in banning media.

SRK has never done as much khit pit or questioning with Chopras or other makers as say Aamir does.

He may have had own issues of being brash or speaking too much but he never fought with biggies. That Dilli ka sakhta launda image attitude was never shown to Yash Chopra for sure or to Subhash Ghai.

Salman once assaulted Ghai. Have you ever heard of SRK doing same to Ghai type big shot maker?

SRK fought with small fish or rivals but never the biggies.

And even now SRK has not spoken against media nor burnt bridges with them despite coverage they ran against his son.

So SRK is a chaploos because he never hit a big shot.....OK I am done now...sab dekh liya aaj...🤣

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Bringing SALMAN into any conversation is just 🤣🤣 No, SRK wouldn’t ever “assault” anyone b/c he isn’t a literal psychopath.

Arranging food & water for media people is just a given. It’s just sheer decency, so sorry SRK displays basic human decency. 😆🤪 I don’t even know what to say b/c none of it makes sense to me but pls believe whatever you like.

IKR...SRK is a chaploos because he doesn't behave like Salman......or is nice to media and provides them food and water??

What the actual EFF...what am I reading....🤣.....I am not even angry anymore because this is hilarious..🤣

Originally posted by: atominis

Lulz.

Calm down.

Who is hating on SRK?

These things are his strengths.

First read whole discussions then talk.

I just said he was lucky that his rivals were badly behaved and fought with everyone from media to biggie filmmakers while he was generally obedient to bigwigs. And I wrote it in response to someone else who asked why would Chopras favour SRK.

Chopras got attitude from everyone else but not from SRK. So they had to patronize him and he benefitted a lot from it.

That was the point.

SRK is a darling of media unlike other stars and he has hardly fought with media the way other stars did. He did not sue media or speak even when his family was targeted. Any other star would have sued media for that coverage. Or bashed media.

Aamir had gone bonkers when media wrote against him, his dad, his divorce, his affair with Jessica Hines etc. He banned awards, he fell out with co stars, banned media, fought with editors etc so he got less coverage and less favourable coverage among masses. He even deleted online ids. He hardly connects with his few fans either.

In contrast SRK has never done any such thing, so he has a better image among masses. He never makes political comments either, which is again, his strength. Like YRF suffered losses worth crores when Aamir got into NBA controversy and refused to apologise and Fanaa was banned in Gujarat. Producers do not take risk with volatile celebs like these. Nor do ad makers or brands. Aamir has been kicked out of Innova, Coke, Snapdeal, Vedantu etc for his political controversies.

Unlike say, Aamir, SRK is a very safe and less volatile choice for producers and companies because he avoids fighting with politicians or juries, editors etc. So it is good for him and his image or stardom.

The post was NOT about luck but in response to others who talked about Chopras and Dharma favouring SRK over others.

An obedient, talented guy who knows what to speak or not, is better than others who are loose cannons no matter what talent or looks they have.

Salman's looks or Aamir's acting took backseat when they messed own lives or sat at home taking breaks or fought with everyone from co stars to media.

Hrithik had looks and was not controversial but he takes too many breaks and does too few films too. So obviously SRK was the only viable A lister available for masses and usually did family friendly films which were not vulgar, so came on top despite weak voice, average looks and doing same NRI romances for 2 decades.

I was responding to someone else. Though I do not think SRK is running solely due to luck. He is not a totally talentless ragdoll.

So where is the hatred here?

I have praised his behaviour as a preferred well mannered outsider with talent and charisma when others had talent or looks but totally no good behaviour at all nor kissed ass of media or editors or senior filmmakers or politicians.

Outspoken ones usually get rough end of the stick in India. Amitabh was destroyed when he tried to speak out or plunged in political controversies or fought with media.

SRK understands desi culture somewhat more now. So keeps it toned down, which serves him and helps his survival. Good for him.

OK last one.....because it is so hilarious that I have to point it out....🤣

So Chopras HAD to patronize SRK because he did chaploosi......What was the compulsion??? SRK was an outsider......why did they HAVE to patronize him?? Did someone put a gun to their head???

And SRK benefitted from the Chopras...OK agreed....what about the Chopras...they didn't benefit from the movies that SRK was making hit?? The Chopras did it out of the goodness of their heart because they wanted to attain moksha after helping SRK??😆

Why didn't the Chopras cast their own flesh and blood who was dying to be a star?? Why was Uday chopra cast in a side role and not the main lead in DDLJ?? Do u think Chaploosi>>>>>>>>>>>>>own son????

"Whose success is just luck?" - Those who play the lottery and win!

For films and/or artists, I would prefer "right place-right time-right people working together".

Atominis, what you call "obedient" is better named "respectful"...it's the latter what his parents valued in SRK's education. And he values the work of others if he sees competence. But he is very clear not catering to incompetence or disrespect. He never again worked with Subhash Ghai or didn't give interviews anymore to certain journalists or magazines. He parted ways with Samar Khan who messed his RedChillies TV department position up although he gracefully supported the launch of Samar's book about him.

Actors/actresses may have the 'luck' that they are casted for a role some other rejected/didn't do. But 'luck' can only be a part of a success when it comes to artistic work.

Seems like it's hard to digest for few to acknowledge how lucky SRK is for getting the rejected films of others that actually made his career...

get over the facts

:)