sex education in schools? - Page 9

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Penis, vagina whatever. They are parts of the body just like arms, legs, eyes, ears, nose, teeth etc. The point is to inform kids about all parts equally and how to care for it.

and my point is that we trivialize things when we think of all these parts in the kind of mechanical fashion suggested. if they were just normal parts, women wldnt bother spending a bundle on exotic lingerie trying to hide certain parts in exciting ways. they'd be walking around nude. sex wld be just something that the body needs. casual. as boring as the oter bodily functions. no biggie. so u see, there are parts and then there are parts and the parts we are talking about are the parts that make the world go around.😉😊

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I think you are reading this in the wrong context. It is not about getting rid of jealousy. Jealousy will always be there and not just with physical development, just basic popularity, grades, activities etc.

Jealous insecurities are more of a problem. Kids develop a complex confused why they are not physically developing. Other kids may make them feel that they are abnormal. Kids may feign sexual attractions etc to fit in with the crowd. Learning about the body avoids complexes as kids learn that different kids grow differently. They will not feel out of place or abnormal as they better understand how humans develop. They stop trying to fit in ways that are uncomfortable by understanding and accepting their bodies growth.

Sure a girl will feel jealous when her friend attracts all her guys. But teaching that girl to understand and respect the way her body grows keeps her from losing confidence, developing complexes and insecurities and helps her fit in with her friends who are racing into puberty.

if your entire rationale for having SE revolves around removing insecurities for those gals who are lagging in puberty, then i'd again say it's not good enuff. insecurities only increase with age. even adults are insecure. a couple of years at most when a gal might be underdeveloped relative to her peers is no biggie. it's probably good preparation for the insecurities most people have to deal with as adults. good character-builder😉😊

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

You cant blame education because some people are obviously immune and completely unaffected by it.

😆 😆 Underlined part is too funny..!!! RTH, Surely you don't believe that teaching kids or adults for that matter about lack of their physical development or their body type removes insecurities and magically transforms them into confident people.😛 .I think all those women who go for breast augmentation should stop wasting their money and go to some confidence augmentation lecture instead.😉

Originally posted by: lighthouse

😆 😆 Underlined part is too funny..!!! RTH, Surely you don't believe that teaching kids or adults for that matter about lack of their physical development or their body type removes insecurities and magically transforms them into confident people.😛 .I think all those women who go for breast augmentation should stop wasting their money and go to some confidence augmentation lecture instead.😉

good one. actually if lack of SE leads women to feel insecure enuff to go for breast augmentation, then that's another strike against SE. they shld all be so insecure😆

Surely I would have expected a woman to understand and empathize more with what it feels like for some girls through the growing pains. There is the flip side of early developmental too. However, there really is no point discussing these matters where there clearly is a gap on the very basics of what is essential for growing teens.

I wish you luck raising your kids.


Peace Out!

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

They needn't be exposed - that's what ratings are for.. thast what internet security is for.. thats what keeping a close watch on his company is whats all about..!!!! the biggest cause for children going astray is not lack of education - its almost always neglect or dereliction....😊 - in fact is they have access to the evil company of unrated tv, internet and friends.. this SE is going to be just a accelerator for more information... many a times in life ignorance is bliss and we have to leave it that way...😊

Well said Qwertoo.😊.Exactly what my thoughts while driving home this evening.

There aren't many things left for kids to discover by themselves in current times with over protective, paranoid and helicopter parents with enough disposable income to provide for everything before kid even asks for it and overwhelm them with rules and information on how to do things right. We want to shield kids from slightest bit of danger, pain or discomfort and all of the lessons life when unscripted teaches. Parental hyperconcern have net effect of making kids more fragile. Together with parental values and whatever the kid learns in the biology class is enough of SE.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Surely I would have expected a woman to understand and empathize more with what it feels like for some girls through the growing pains. There is the flip side of early developmental too. However, there really is no point discussing these matters where there clearly is a gap on the very basics of what is essential for growing teens.

I wish you luck raising your kids.


Peace Out!

I think you are making big deal out of something which when viewed against lifes never ending list of growing pains seems as not one of the biggest problem to have. People grow out of lot more than teenage growing pains. my views on this shouldn't have to be different than what they are because of my gender. Hyperconcern on any one thing leads to wimpyness and paranoia.

Peace Sarina and nice debating with you.😊

Originally posted by: lighthouse

and yes I do believe kids should not be encouraged in any way to indulge in sex when they already are submerged in sexual visualry these days.

Just because we learn something doesn't mean we're mean we're going to go out and do it. After all, we're not sitting here and trying to train dogs with bells just because we're learning the Pavlovian conditioning! 😆

Gaining complete knowledge about something, will help people make informed decisions about their actions. Whether you want them to have sex or not, if they make up their minds, they're going to do it. And if they are, which is worse? Them having sex, but catching diseases or getting pregnant, or them JUST having sex, with no nasty repercussions?

Originally posted by: lighthouse

The fear of unknown, getting caught of doing the wrong thing or uncertainity about the whole enchilada helps to thwart premature sex indulgence.

In the case of sex, I don't think kids have "fear" of the unknown, as much as curiosity. Movies, music videos and the media in general glorify sex as something that is just so amazing. Either that, or parental figures clam up about it, refusing to discuss it at all. What children need to be taught is that it's not as glorious or as bad as it's being pitched to be. It's a biological occurrence, albeit one that comes with social and moral responsibilities. If you do indulge in sex, then be ready to endure the consequences, be they pregnancy, or diseases or whatever. I don't see how this can be done if children are expected to gain the knowledge from some website that just came up first on Google, which may or may not contain accurate/complete information. Incomplete/poorly understood knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. Children need to be taught about the birds and bees by a responsible adult (be it a parent or teacher), and not some random website.

Darkness - loved your post above - all agreed and put very well.

CB - no need to sweat it out with me matey!😉
Each to their own 😊

I would simply sum up my feelings on the matter of SE.

Sex, a bit like alcohol, are generally known to be the sort of indulgences kids arent supposed to partake in.

However the more elusive they are, the more curiosity they generate.

You can either be open about the issues, talk about any curiosities, satisfy the need for answers and hope that's good enough for the kid to be sensible ( and hopefully abstain for as long as its right -whatever right may be)

Or you can stay tight lipped, pretend these are issues that you dont have to deal with as your kids know full well what you expect from them - end of.

For me I would always opt for the former - I would want my kid to know they could trust me as much as I trust them. If there are issues they wanna find out about - I hope I'ma good enough parent to be there for them as a role model adult to answer honestly about anything they may wanna know. If they dont - that's OK too.

What I would never do is turn a blind eye or make assumptions.

It will often be easier for kids to hear about SE from teachers or people outside the family - that's cool and I respect that - I would never deny this right.

Better to demystify and be in ther know, than learn the untruths, wrongful susperstitions and other general crap that often gets circulated by ignorant people about sexual health.

Her's to happy, confident well rounded good kids, who being better informed will hopefully make better decisions, be confident in their knowledge and make good partners in later life.

Plenty of kids I went to college with used being away at Uni to get thoroughly drunk and thoroughly laid -

A lot of Asian parents think by not letting their daughters go away to Uni they can prevent this sort of stuff going on.

Wake up people - where there's a will there is always a way.

Another fine example of the resourcefulness of kids hell bent on having a good time no matter how adverse the circumstances was the advent of daytime bhangra discos in the UK, so Asian kids could bunk off school and attend them, and re-plait their hair anf get back hime in time for parents not to suspect.

So sad.....

Same goes for sex.

So better that kids are aware, whichever way suits you, about the consequences/complications/ramifications of sex that to not be.

Time out - love and peace to all

😡 M 😡