Why industry favoured Kareena over Karishma? - Page 5

Originally posted by: atominis

Very well said.

I think Karishma had really bad script sense. Who would sign crap like Jigar, Paapi Gudiya or even Shakti, Baaz, Dangerous Ishq?

Karishma also aged badly and never maintained herself or looks. Shilpa looks better than her IMO.

I do agree Karishma is better actor and has more affable screen presence than Bebo who often looks like a snob.

I may be wrong but I guess Bebo has better attitude with co stars than Lolo? Because Aamir vowed never to work with Karishma and did not like working with her in Raja Hindustani, SRK also never worked with her except DTPH. Whereas same Aamir, SRK, have worked many times with Bebo.

I have never really seen media or industry hype Lolo even at her peak in 1999 as much as I have seen hype for Bebo. Kareena has better PR and reinvents better for sure unlike Karishma who is stuck somewhere and does not know how to sell herself and is not a very eloquent speaker either.

shakti is actually a good movie, it didnt turn out very well in hindi, but it had a very powerful script and role, nana patekar, deepti naval and a great cameo by srk, one of his best

the original in telugu was a huge hit and won national awards too

Originally posted by: atominis

Karishma and Kareena love each other like parent and child. Not just siblings.

I said Karishma has reason to be bitter about her life, industry and her mom. Yes her mom was behind her break up with AB Jr.

Imagine dumping a man like Abhishek over property issues and marrying a philanderer like Sanjay instead.

Babita was unfair to Lolo. But Lolo respects her a lot till date.

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Karishma has no reason to be bitter

She got lots of chances in her career

She became a better actress when half of her career was over

She got multiple big films in 1990 without a single release before prem qiaidi

Babita was never a vamp to karishma, she was independent in her decisions

And if u read 90s tabloids and magazines, u will get to know that karishma was a bigger tantrum queen than even Kareena, she had a bad temper, was very high handed and difficult and had consistent major ugly fights with all of her costars from pooja to manisha to raveena.

Its a myth that karishma was discouraged from kapoors to enter Bollywood

Its a myth that she struggled to get films

Its a myth that babita was a vamp in her life

Its a myth that karishma was calmer and well behaved in her youthful days (infect its the other way round)

K Jo is obsessed with SRK and Kajol. Never even favoured Rani that much.

You are right about SRK also working more with Kajol or later Rani. I am surprised how he hardly worked with other 90s girls like Shilpa, Urmila.

I agree on Karishma rising to top through Raja Hindustani and later improving profile with Fiza, Zubeida, DTPH and not ending up like Manisha, Sonali, Raveena, Shilpa, Pooja etc who remained also rans.

And to her credit her ATBB Raja Hindustani is totally dominated by her and she is not a small role in it unlike Kareena in 3 Idiots (her ATBB). She was quite popular among 90s kids and eventually won over family audience too with HSSH, Biwi no.1, Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge.

as everyone said karisma really worked her way up, she was looked down on when she came in, her fashion sense, the amount of trolling she underwent was immense and the kapoor family literally ostracized her.

she and others like raveena, pooja bhatt paved the way for acceptance of women from film families

today all the nepo kids are benefitting from it

she also diversified and played sis to hrithik, zubeida to a yash chopra movie to biwi no.1 type

kareena had a high profile debut thanks to her

karisma may have more duds in her career because she is self made unlike kareena who had the platform

i feel kareena and kajol are more over hyped due to their association with chopra and especially kjo

whereas actresses like karisma, manisha, urmila who did more iconic and diverse roles are almost forgotten

karisma looks good and has maintained herself well but her personal life may have taken a toll over her

also karisma moved to female oriented roles and they flopped, the way the industry is they dont let you back in as co stars to superstars and then your high success, blockbuster ratio goes down

kareena is smart like that

unless you are alia with a kjo backing you

which is why deepika is doing pathaan etc after her female oriented films tanked

smart actresses balance both

also golden rule, dont dominate your male superstars too much in their movies, their ego cant take it *rani....hin..)

Kareena herself spoke of struggles Karishma went through and I have no reason to disbelieve especially considering how big banners like YRF, Dharma, Rajshri, Maruti films mostly ignored Karishma.

She had no training or grooming or education and entered films at 16 itself and learnt very late how to work on looks or dress.

Babita did ask her to take backseat to make way for Kareena's launch and avoid comparisons with sister. And she was behind her break up with Abhishek.

However I do agree Karishma may have had attitude problems and this is why many did not work with her or repeat her unlike how they worked repeatedly with Kareena.

She was probably too late in getting a makeover or upgrading her skills. But cannot blame her or compare her to beauty pageant winners like Juhi who already knew basics of make up or dressing sense. Or modeling background girls like Madhuri, Sush, Sonali, Ash.

Kareena also had issues with co stars especially females but was smart to not mess with male co stars who were seniors. Babita did meddle in her career initially too. Kareena did lose out on KNPH over footage and scenes she was getting, if I am not mistaken and Babita thought it was not giving fair deal to Kareena.

Kapoor girls were NOT allowed to act in films and it is not a myth. Karishma struggled on her own and did not get backing from Kapoors to kick start career.

If she had no struggles then why even Raveena got Yash Chopra film like Parampara so early in career while Karishma got YRF film DTPH only in 1997 and that too only as supporting actor? Why she got a Rajshri film only as multi starrer and was not paired opposite a bigger star like Salman in it? Her erasure from big banners is not a myth. Even Bhatts and Inder Kumar never worked with her the way they worked with say Juhi, Sonali, Sush.

Originally posted by: vcs17

as everyone said karisma really worked her way up, she was looked down on when she came in, her fashion sense, the amount of trolling she underwent was immense and the kapoor family literally ostracized her.

she and others like raveena, pooja bhatt paved the way for acceptance of women from film families

today all the nepo kids are benefitting from it

she also diversified and played sis to hrithik, zubeida to a yash chopra movie to biwi no.1 type

kareena had a high profile debut thanks to her

karisma may have more duds in her career because she is self made unlike kareena who had the platform

also karisma moved to female oriented roles and they flopped, the way the industry is they dont let you back in as co stars to superstars and then your high success, blockbuster ratio goes down

kareena is smart like that

unless you are alia with a kjo backing you

which is why deepika is doing pathaan etc after her female oriented films tanked

smart actresses balance both

also golden role, dont dominate your male superstars too much in their movies, their ego cant take it *rani....hin..)

I agree entirely and you made a good point.

Kareena is smart to be ready to do any role even if it is short.

Karishma wanted meatier roles after Biwi no.1, Raja Hindustani, Fiza, Zubeida and it backfired on her.

She has no producer hubby like Rani who gets Mardaani series made for her. Or films like Hichki tailor made for her.

She began getting less work when she demanded meaty roles.

Kareena in contrast was comfortable to do multi starrers with other heroines too like Talaash, Udta Punjab, VDW etc.

Karishma has not done too well in ad circuit nor done anything else like radio shows or become an SM influencer. Unlike more media savvy Bebo. Bebo also cashes on her relation with Saif and famous MIL Sharmila to remain in news. Used her kids' names to her advantage and become symbol of feminism or secularism also. Unlike Lolo who has nothing to talk of. Nor used her abusive marriage to become a feminist advocate.

Originally posted by: atominis

Kareena herself spoke of struggles Karishma went through and I have no reason to disbelieve especially considering how big banners like YRF, Dharma, Rajshri, Maruti films mostly ignored Karishma.

She had no training or grooming or education and entered films at 16 itself and learnt very late how to work on looks or dress.

Babita did ask her to take backseat to make way for Kareena's launch and avoid comparisons with sister. And she was behind her break up with Abhishek.

However I do agree Karishma may have had attitude problems and this is why many did not work with her or repeat her unlike how they worked repeatedly with Kareena.

She was probably too late in getting a makeover or upgrading her skills. But cannot blame her or compare her to beauty pageant winners like Juhi who already knew basics of make up or dressing sense. Or modeling background girls like Madhuri, Sush, Sonali, Ash.

Kareena also had issues with co stars especially females but was smart to not mess with male co stars who were seniors. Babita did meddle in her career initially too. Kareena did lose out on KNPH over footage and scenes she was getting, if I am not mistaken and Babita thought it was not giving fair deal to Kareena.

Kapoor girls were NOT allowed to act in films and it is not a myth. Karishma struggled on her own and did not get backing from Kapoors to kick start career.

If she had no struggles then why even Raveena got Yash Chopra film like Parampara so early in career while Karishma got YRF film DTPH only in 1997 and that too only as supporting actor? Why she got a Rajshri film only as multi starrer and was not paired opposite a bigger star like Salman in it? Her erasure from big banners is not a myth. Even Bhatts and Inder Kumar never worked with her the way they worked with say Juhi, Sonali, Sush.

Karishma said herself its a myth she was not allowed working by kapoors ,we can't deny her own words

I am not sure what Kareena means by struggles... When karishma got 7 films in her platter before any release

Parampara was a multi starrer film where even the like of a flop Neelum got female lead as well

Karishma got a better role than salman lead sonali in HSSH...and also how come a flop sonali got role opposite salman ? Coz she had a minimal role which most probably Karishma declined herself due to hardly any screen time

And if karishma was not favored than how come she got half dozen films opposite salman even after giving first two huge disatsers jaagruti and nishchaiy opposite him, while raveena just got first and last chance in patthar ke phool.

The way karishma was so difficult, a huge tantrum queen and a very strong headed person with her colleagues during 90s its hard to beleive she played an abla to her own mother.

Despite her no fashion sense, industry gave her years and years to improve her fashion and acting skills, was never a case with an outsider.

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I don’t think it has anything to do with the industry but rather the timing and their different personalities. Kareena just made her debut at a time where the industry was becoming more progressive. Also, there’s a huge difference in the personalities of the two sisters. Karishma is docile while Kareena is a go getter who did not sacrifice her career for marriage and children and decided to get married on her own time when she was ready.

Karisma had attitude which made it hard for people to work with her but Kareena was very pleasant so she was repeated has to be the biggest joke in this entire thread 😆

Karishma called it myth because Kapoors are particular about image and she did not want to speak against her family.

Karishma was abla to Babita because Babita took away kids and raised them single handedly without support from Kapoors and Kareena also recalls how she saw her mom struggle and raise them both and her mom raising them alone was also a reason why Lolo joined films and began working at 16 itself without completing school as she wanted to support her mom in earning and running household.

You still did not answer why Chopras, Johar and even Inder Kumar did not work with Karishma and why Barjatya also offered her multi starrer later in career and not a solo lead unlike her offered to Amrita, Madhuri,Kareena and Bhagyashree?

The films Karishma got were mostly from so so filmmakers and except Salman there is no other Khan who worked with her early in career.