My two cents on Alia Bhatt's Controversial Ad - Page 19

Originally posted by: MujheMaarjaneDo

Exactly

Change doesn't happen unless it hits you. Sometimes even that doesn't change people.

Leave everyone, just look at my own mother.

My dad is from a pure Brahmin family, my mom's dad is Brahmin but my grandma(mom's mom) is Tamang(not Brahmin), so my dad's parents used to discriminate her during religious functions and all that, not eat rice/dal cooked by her and all that shit.

But still that has not changed gotten the caste system away from her, like she doesn't discriminate people on regular basis, her best friend is also someone from the so called lower caste, but whenever there is religious rituals or something like some festival season, she is like, do not eat at XYZ's house, they are from lower caste, and I am like "what, so all the years of discrimination and you still encourage it", and all she says is, "don't try to act smart, this is something going on through centuries, so you think our ancestors were stupid", and than I ignore her like I ignore social media trolls😆.

So I have realised that this system is seriously fcked up.

Leave my mom, she is still Hindu, I have seen many Hindus converted to Christianity, and still have that caste system mentality. I am like astonished by all that😆

People also have that misconception, that Christian converts are all “lower castes” or “rice bag converts”.

It’s infuriating on a different level, and I can’t argue with someone like my grandmother who likes one of my friends just for being a Brahmin and dislikes the other for being a schedule caste.

It’s so hard to shake off a conditioning that stems from childhood, especially for the older generation ( we are Hindus but casteism, and most ritualistic practices are not allowed in the sect we follow). Still we have people who’ve such way of thinking, including my grandmother. So we do what we do best, ignore it.😆

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

People also have that misconception, that Christian converts are all “lower castes” or “rice bag converts”.

It’s infuriating on a different level, and I can’t argue with someone like my grandmother who likes one of my friends just for being a Brahmin and dislikes the other for being a schedule caste.

It’s so hard to shake off a conditioning that stems from childhood, especially for the older generation ( we are Hindus but casteism, and most ritualistic practices are not allowed in the sect we follow). Still we have people who’ve such way of thinking, including my grandmother. So we do what we do best, ignore it.😆

One of my friends' grandma who is Christian, was like we are also Brahmin you know.

And I smiled at her and said good. 😆

I think casteism may be more rigid in Hinduism - but discrimination over anything to restrict social mobility of people so that one always wields more power than the other has existed across the world for centuries. People like to think they are “better” and more “deserving” than the other - so, they use anything they can - religion, caste, class, skin colour.

Tyrants like Hitler gained popularity by blame game and scapegoating a particular community.

Whether it’s patriarchy that is “allegedly” a part of all religions across the world, or class system, caste system, racism - it doesn’t boil down to religious values but human nature that gets driven by lack of empathy, greed and intolerance. Religion or traditional values are just a poor excuse to legitimise things that are immoral.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

I think casteism may be more rigid in Hinduism - but discrimination over anything to restrict social mobility of people so that one always wields more power than the other has existed across the world for centuries. People like to think they are “better” and more “deserving” than the other - so, they use anything they can - religion, caste, class, skin colour.

Tyrants like Hitler gained popularity by blame game and scapegoating a particular community.

Whether it’s patriarchy that is “allegedly” a part of all religions across the world, or class system, caste system, racism - it doesn’t boil down to religious values but human nature that gets driven by lack of empathy, greed and intolerance. Religion or traditional values are just a poor excuse to legitimise things that are immoral.

It is not just patriarchy, it is just power.

[Below is a traditional and generalised statement, doesn't mean every women or every men belonging to the said community are same]

I belong to Shillong, here in the local tribes women held all the properties and power.

Men are just there for making babies.

So what happens is, just like in other society women are marginalized here men are.

Obviously this also means, the youngest girl(who gets the properties) also suffers due to everyone being financially dependant on her. So, if she is a good person, she is always in pressure of supporting her families.

So whoever has the power and is a wrong person will exploit it.

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

I would really like to know where do you see Krishna or other Hindu Gods being mocked on a daily basis?

If you are talking about the virtual world, i.e. Twitter fight clubs, etc. the all religions are mocked equally. You just need to switch religions. I have seen mohammed being called a pedo so many times. Jesus being called a fraud and a drunk (water to wine).

Is Islam a bit more off limits than other religions? Absolutely. Its because their fanatics are much worse and more violent than the fanatics from other religions. If Karni Sena threatens people with killing and lynch people, Al Qaeda and all actually go about killing people. This is a problem and a major critique of their religion. Do you want your religion to end up at that level as well?

Muslims get fatwa issued against them and killed off for not following their rules.. or saying something which displeasing extremists.

Look at Salman Rushdie

Among Hindus, the fanaticism is far less.. and the threat too. We should be thankful.

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

I would really like to know where do you see Krishna or other Hindu Gods being mocked on a daily basis?

If you are talking about the virtual world, i.e. Twitter fight clubs, etc. the all religions are mocked equally. You just need to switch religions. I have seen mohammed being called a pedo so many times. Jesus being called a fraud and a drunk (water to wine).

Is Islam a bit more off limits than other religions? Absolutely. Its because their fanatics are much worse and more violent than the fanatics from other religions. If Karni Sena threatens people with killing and lynch people, Al Qaeda and all actually go about killing people. This is a problem and a major critique of their religion. Do you want your religion to end up at that level as well?

I think the point which always gets lost whenever this Hinduphobia debates arises, is it arose as a critique against some activists who wittingly do not criticise Islam but will always demonise Hinduism because of a simple logic that Muslims are minority, so we should not criticize them, as they are already suffering a lot.

Originally posted by: MujheMaarjaneDo

I think the point which always gets lost whenever this Hinduphobia debates arises, is it arose as a critique against some activists who wittingly do not criticise Islam but will always demonise Hinduism because of a simple logic that Muslims are minority, so we should not criticize them, as they are already suffering a lot.

That is probably one of the dumbest logic I've heard in a while.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17_

That is probably one of the dumbest logic I've heard in a while.

Unfortunately, many people, especially those who like to seem 'liberal' and 'progressive' still spout such logic.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17_

That is probably one of the dumbest logic I've heard in a while.

Liberals are a dumb bunch😆

Wtf is the username? 😆I clicked on the thread because I saw this UN was the last to reply. At first glance from a distance I read it as IAMVINDIESEL.