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Originally posted by: Nja91

Yes Samrat was cowardly to run away and not even think about his mother. So mansi has been put through hell for no fault. But i definitely got emotional as i heard Samrat say that kisi ke jaane seh vakt/zindagi nahi rukti. He took care of financial security of his mother before he left. But he still acted far too impulsively. He was hurt that he was betrayed by his shiva and that the foundation of his marriage was a lie. Sai has been impulsive too but in different circumstances though...

But she seemed to know exactly what to say to make Samrat agree to come back.

So yes, Sai and Samrat are not exactly same but theres many similarities in their personality n thought process. Thats why Sai has managed to get through to him in a way that no one else could.

But i think there are many ways in which virat could have atleast attempted to convince Samrat....if he didnt want Sai to get insulted he could've said Sai toh sirf iss liye sab kar rahi hai because she recognized you but she barely knows you and proceeded to take over the conversation..... so i was left disappointed by how easily he let go....These things subconsciously will leave an impact on Sai too. If Virat could let go of his so called love pp then and his brother today, tomm it could be her too. Sai fears exactly that. That she is not truly his. That her zimmedari is all that matters to him, not her. So instead of risking heartbreak later, she is harshly reacting now itself.

Sai is very much black/white...she will learn to appreciate the greys with time but its noteworthy that in her emotional speech, she only talked about mansi and didnt mention how much Virat has missed his jeeva. She knows but she didnt mention it because she knew it would make samrat angry n get his guards up.

While I know its not deliberate on virats part to have created this mess n really 95% of it is ALL pp's doing, virat will definitely need to come clean on his part and battle has his own demons. from his pov hes right. From his actions he is trying to show everyone that now he does have clarity in his thoughts anout who/what he wants but unfortunately people have not grasped it....n he will either have to spell it out until people get it or wait patiently until everyone gets to the same page as him.

@bolded: 100% agreed 👏

While I agree that Virat could have attempted to convince Samrat in many ways, I don't think any of them would have worked. Samrat is too angry with him right now. I felt for Virat as he was trying to leave with Sai. Putting side the fact that he did not want her to be insulted (which I saw as his main motive), I saw him as an entirely helpless man. Samrat is one of the two most important people in his life, and he was refusing to even recognize Virat. Virat had been waiting an entire year for this moment. Under such pain of rejection, a person can act in one of two ways. Either they can shut down or they can try to convince the other out of desperation. Virat acted in the first way. Once he saw that Samrat was at least willing to accept his identity, he tried being more forceful, but Samrat was not having it. I think he knew that Sai would be able to get through to him, which is why he was standing there and smiling in awe of her. I agree that the reason Sai was able to break through his walls is partly because of their similarities, but I also think that she has a way of melting even the strongest shells. Samrat, being a decent human, already sees Sai's pure heart. In fact, their first interaction was Sai saving a kid from the orphange. Then, he saw how much she cares about Mansi, Devi, and the rest of the family. He also witnessed Sai's strong moral compass when talking about it being his duty to set Pakhi free. I think all of these things contributed.

In terms of all of this subconsciously impacting Sai, I don't believe this to be the case...at least at this point in the story. The entire reason why she is fighting so hard for Samrat to come home is because she knows how dearly Virat has missed and longed for his shiva. Even when she came running back after having met Samrat, she was focusing on Virat, when in fact Mohit is his brother too. I don't see her doubting Virat's intentions as of now. Virat trying to leave was not him giving up to me either. If they had left, I am sure they would have found another way to come back and try to convince him. But, once the misunderstandings brew up, obviously these types of thoughts within their dynamics will come up....

Last thing- I think that Sai knows Virat will never leave her or give up on her, even if it is as a zimidari. This is why she always says that a day will come when she will have to leave. Because in her heart, she knows Virat won't be the one to end this relationship...

Originally posted by: Nja91

So i found it interesting that virat was ready to give up on taking Samrat back so quickly. He barely put up a fight. He just said -chalo n was leaving....where did his fight go?! I feel like he needed to show more desperation to take Samrat back....

Is his hesitation because he had subconsciously already realized that it was his past with pp that made Samrat leave? So he didn't feel any haq....

It was Sai who managed to emotionally tug at Samrat heartstrings and make him melt. First she gave him mansi buas vaasta but ultimately what got him to agree to go was Sai essentially asking Samrat if he was man enough to face his wife and tell her that their relationship was over. On paper she is his wife so as the true gentleman, a righteous man and a self respecting one- it is his responsibility to officially free pp from the shackles of their unwanted relationship.

As soon as Sai suggested that he didnt truly "free" pp because he didnt confront her, samrat agreed to go back.

Virat and everyone else- Sai, sunny, mohit all have understood that samrat left because of virat-pp.

And now the khulasa will happen from horses mouth when Samrat goes back. I want to see bk ninad, omi/sonalis reaction when samrat reveals pp's true colors. Are they still going to defend pp. Will they say anything to her or just expect samrat to move on...will pp get any repercussions for her actions? She was the one who agreed to the rishta, hid the truth from Samrat, went ahead and got married....will she be held accountable or let go scot free due to her crocodile tears?

Are they only going to force them to nibhao the marriage because log kya kahenge...

Pp needs to have her ass handed to her with some tough questions. Its about time.

I also want samrat to ask virat some tough questions on how he expected him to compromise on the very foundation of the marriage. The problem is not that pp had a past relationship or feelings or whatever, the problem is she HID it from her husband to be. And so did virat. If virat wasnt the one pp had feelings for , and virat had overheard that pp was talking to her ex boyfriend, would Virat not tell his brother that pp had a past and to clarify that before going ahead... the fact that his shaadi is based on lies is the worst thing. On the other hand Sairats marriage is tumultuous and not hunky dory but atleast there is honesty. Thats why it still isnt broken even though there are many knots in their thread of marriage. Despite the honesty, theres still so much unsaid, so many MU....has virat considered what it would be for samrat who does not even have that honesty/transparency. The least pp could've done is atleast hint to samrat that she did have a past, even if she didn't reveal that it was virat. She didnt do even that. Such a woman should definitely not be shoved upon samrat by the family. She needs to be told to leave.

Also I can understand why Sai got through to Samrat because they are very similar to each other in terms of not only core principles but personality too. Sai is essentially the female Samrat- lively, impulsive, charming, stubborn, heart of gold, generous, emotional, "proud", righteous...plus Sai can relate to Samrat's hurt. The feeling of pain knowing your spouse isnt truly yours. Atleast Sai knew the truth before marriage, but it still hurts so she can empathize with Samrat for sure. They have a kinship even though they just met....

I think Samrat's acting graph is gradually improving. Its not quite there, still work to do but i think this actor has potential. He reminds me of Ayesha. Ayesha was raw when she started but now shes such a natural, so effortless....hope to see yogi do the same.

These are the reasons why I disagree

Lively...ok they both may have this common trait but still we find Sai the epitome of energy and lively nature whereas we see only a bit of this in Samrat not more.

Impulsive...again here Sai’s impulsive nature comes with her charecter . She is consistently impulsive. Samrat was shown impulsive only when he took the decision to leave and that I won’t call impulsive but sheer selfishness and immature thinking. If Sai is in his place she would have confronted her partner and took decision then. Samrat being too old in age behaved in such a way that can be termed absurd rather than impulsive. He knew Virat since childhood though he doesn’t know what kind of a person Pakhi is.

How could he expect that Virat will do so without any genuine reason ? Shouldn’t he wait and ask his brother what was his motive? So this man should not be having this consistency in being impulsive like Sai is.

Charming Ok he is charming but..

Stubborn May be after his marriage fiasco not before.

Generous We have seen Sai’s generosity umpteen times. She became ready to give her gold to Devyani. She bought harmonium with her scholarship money.,She gave away her pendant to Bhavani...but

What did Samrat do to show his generosity? Infact he is living on the maintainance money given by the orphanage lady..he has given all his credit cards to Pakhi. So I think he can not be compared here also with Sai.

Emotional How is Samrat emotional I can’t fathom. He didn’t have the emotions due to a son towards his mother. He did not bother about her and gave importance only to his hurt which is pure selfishness.

He has no brotherly emotion towards Devyani who was in a pathetic condition when he left. He didn’t think twice before leaving the house which considers him the eldest Chavan despite him being a Salunkhe.

Last but not least he has no emotion felt for mother India or the pledge taken by him while joining army. If he has ten percent of Virat’s or Sai’s patriotic emotions he would have continued in army,serve his country and if he wants he would have divorced Pakhi.

No he can not be called emotional since he lacks all kind of emotions and gave importance only to his two day love or marriage failure.

Proud and righteous Sai Joshi is righteous not Samrat. A righteous person would tackle things in a different way. He betrayed his family.

I feel he has nothing to feel proud of..whereas Sai Joshi has too many feathers in her crown to feel proud of.

Sai proved her selfless nature and deserves the title golden hearted not Samrat who put his personal hurt above everything else. How could he be like Sai who staked her marriage for the sake of Devi Tai?

I think Virat lives up to all these traits rather than Samrat and he is on par with Sai in being emotional,generous and golden hearted if we ignore his crimes like throwing her out,suspecting her charecter etc. We need not ignore even since Virat realised and repented...but that is another topic of discussion.

Not to hurt you are others but I just can’t think Samrat to be Sai like as you said or vice versa Sai as Samrat like.

Originally posted by: bhanu

3 crore promo about samrat virat milaap fell flat and now expecting something extraordinary is going to happen with flat face pakhi is out of question,

Even if samrat bring virat and pakhi past relation , just llike in the past the clown chavan will say what ever VP had was in the past now she is waiting only for you from past 1 yr without going to her parents house. she is a sanskari bahu blah blah

And our vankar and the bff director will never let pakhi down they will surly try to show her bechari, i am very confident about it . By end of the week we all will fall flat on our faces for expecting so much and getting nothing in return and wasting our time watching this crap.

All i meant is that Sai shares a lot in common in terms of personality n qualities with Samrat. Obviously they are not the same person. And Sai is far more mature, upright, straightforward in her behavior and she doesn't get enough credit for it on the show....everyone calla her immature, sees her bachpana but not her wisdom beyond her age which has come through lifes harsh experiences.

But i do I think your judgement of Samrst is a tad too harsh. He left in a moment of impulsiveness n is dealing with a lot of hurt but yes, he should not have made his mother pay the price of his hurt/pain. He should've returned to confront pp and put an end to the sham marriage but he is doing so now. we have barely seen Samrat as a person. All we know of him from really old episodes is that he had a special place in everyones heart n virat regards him as an idol. So obviously it won't be for nothing that virat loves/idolizes him so much.

As far as devi is concerned- literally no one in CN knew anything or cared to investigate. So if virat was excused because he wasnt around, then Samrat also would not have been around.

The crime Samrat has committed is making his mother go through the pain of not only feeling like hes gone but not even giving her closure. He was thought to be dead but there was no confirmation....that is definitely harsh. Unforgivable.

And Sai would never do something like that.

But i can see that Sai gets Samrat in a way that virat/mohit/sunny cant.

She has managed to hit all the right chords.

The only reason she could convince Samrat despite being essentially a stranger to him is that "kindred spirit" feeling....she gets him.

Originally posted by: tptwi

Neerja,

First of all- I love the way in which you have described how Sai and Samrat are essentially the same person. While I agree with much of it, Samrat is a coward who ran away from his family and his widowed mother without thinking twice. Even today, he wasn't agreeing to go back even after Sai told him Mansi's condition (which by the way, to me, was one of Ayesha's best performances until date)... I think this is where his morals faltered in a way that Sai's never would and never could. Sai tackles all of her problems head on, no matter how difficult. No amount of pain that Samrat feels by Virat's behavior justifies his actions to me.

In addition, it was Sai who had to tell Samrat that he owes it to Pakhi to set her free. This was spot on by Sai. At the end of the day, Pakhi is waiting for Samrat due to the family members, even though she doesn't care about him at all. It is Samrat's duty to tell her that he wants to end this marriage. Again, Sai's morals shone through. Despite everything Pakhi has put her through, she was still looking out for her.

I also agree that Yogi was much improved today. His dialogue delivery still needs work, but the episode was promising. This gives me hope, because he his going to have to carry his scenes with Aish.

Regarding your uneasiness as to why Virat didn't push harder. I had a different interpretation of the scene. The second Samrat told Sai to leave or else he would say something that might hurt her, Virat did not hesitate for even a second and went to take her hand. Virat cannot see Sai insulted by anyone. I took this to be him protecting her. I keep saying that this track is going to test his love for the two most important people in his life, and this was yet another instance of that. I don't think he subconsciously realized the reason for Samrat's coldness. If anything, he was so broken that Samrat was refusing to recognize him, that he did not have the energy to fight any more in that moment. People can collapse under such emotional hurt.

But of course, Sai was not going to let this happen. The way that Sai fights for Virat's happiness is honestly something else... on an entirely different level. For those that say Sai's love towards him is not visible... this is why it's baffling to me. Sai is the one and only reason that Samrat will return to CN... just like she was the one and only reason that Devi and Pulkit were reunited, Harini was accepted, Shiv bua's honor was defended..and the list can go on. She has made his family her own. Despite all of the abuse they have thrown at her, her love has never wavered...not even a little bit.

There was a triangle of looks being exchanged today that really forshadowed what is about to happen. When Mohit told Samrat that Sai is Virat's wife, Virat smiled. Sai looked broken and revealed the circumstances under which their marriage took place. Perhaps more powerful was the moment when Samrat says that he will set Pakhi free...Virat looks at Samrat, and Sai looks at Virat. Virat will make it his mission to keep Pakhi and Samrat together because that is how he feels Samrat will be happy. He wants him to try to make his marriage work. But, in the process, Sai will be looking to Virat, and due to Samrat's misconceptions about the past, be misunderstanding him in the process as well. These dynamics were crystal clear today and are going to be so painful. And throughout it all, Virat's love will be pouring out towards Sai.... she is his life's greatest accomplishment. The pride with which he was looking at her while she was convincing Samrat to come home.

It seems as though many believe that Virat did not understand why Samrat left. But, to me, it was quite evident that he did. Virat explicitly told Samrat that he understands what Samrat is hinting at and to just come home, because he will be able to feel that none of it is true. Again, instead of clarifying using words, he wants to use his actions. This is entirely the same situation that he is in with Sai... and again, this will bite him in the butt.

Samrat telling Mohit that he refuses to believe that Pakhi is waiting for him and then telling Sai not to say her name were both highlights of the episode. This is just the beginning, and I really hope that she is not whitewashed this time. The precap has gotten me excited for the zillat drama for once...although the way in which the samrakhi confrontation was filmed has me scared that the makers are fulling preparing to shove this ship down our throats.

Lastly, Sai and Samrat's bond is already so beautiful. She was able to break through his shell in a way that not even his own brothers could. Like you said, Neerja, perhaps Samrat already realizes what Sai is going through in terms of feeling like the third wheel. This will again create misunderstandings, but at least she will have someone who can remotely feel her pain and then hopefully make her realize how different their situations now are.

You pretty much captured all the points in what ever was shown 😬

I was very disappointed with the dialogues not that this is the 1st time but considering this is such an important episode it's surprising that they didnt put in any effort on the dialogues and if it matches the story line 🙄.

@bold yes it was interesting how all of them were exchanging looks with each of Samrats dialogues directed at Patraleka 😂. It would be very stupid of Virat and Sai to shove Patraleka down Samrats throat. Infact they have no right to do so, he was cheated and has the right to free Patraleka to do whatever she wants. Also Virat more than Sai is aware of what a vile and vicious person she is. Knowing all this and still pushing her on to him is unacceptable. Infact Virat should confront Pakhi about how she knew all along on why Samrat left. Atleast they would have not worried he was MIA and might have searched for him in some other way.

@ italic he did say he is understanding the hints, but Ghum and it's character have a track record of suffering from amnesia. All the characters did it in the past and we have seen an example today with sai going Gaga over her Pakhi Didi and how she is waiting for Samrat 😳. They are all duping Samrat again by saying Patraleka is waiting for him. Yes he was a coward for running away but he still doesn't deserve Patraleka and with the way he was cheated by the girl he thought he loved and his Shiva he was broken and took the easier route to escape the pain. Not everyone can be a Sai. My only complaint with him is that him not letting Mansi know anything, no mother deserves that kind of pain. .

@underlined - she is going to get white washed, be prepared with gaaliyans. She is the poor innocent victim whose husband misunderstood and left her only to return to give her divorce 😂😂. They will forget that the missing son was not missing but escaped from Didi and shove her on him 😂.

Today you could see Sai's fear and pain when Samrat said he will free Didi and she is free to live with anyone she wants 😢. I was glad that Samrat was 90% straight forward and did not make more Jalebis 🤣🤣. I am really hoping Virat has the courage to clear things with Samrat instead of actions 🙄. When him and Pakhi served words to both Sai and Samrat , they deserve words and not actions to move ahead. Pakhi is a lost case but Virat needs to speak up atleast now.

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Neerja I have not seen the episode, but a thought that came in my mind while reading the post was, did we not this Virat earlier.. He is very close to being a quitter when it comes to something that is not his duty..Be it Pakhi, Sai or even Samrat. He will build mountains of emotions around the person , but when it comes to act them, he shirks them off...he gives up... The only person he has been fighting a bit for is Sai...and probably is willing to give her up as well now....

With Pakhi he deserted the much needed talk, till it became obvious that she is still having hopes from her..With Sai probably he would never be having that talk..and is ready to give her up, every time there is a tumult in the relationship...With Samrat he wants to go since Samrat does not want to come..

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Neerja I have not seen the episode, but a thought that came in my mind while reading the post was, did we not this Virat earlier.. He is very close to being a quitter when it comes to something that is not his duty..Be it Pakhi, Sai or even Samrat. He will build mountains of emotions around the person , but when it comes to act them, he shirks them off...he gives up... The only person he has been fighting a bit for is Sai...and probably is willing to give her up as well now....

With Pakhi he deserted the much needed talk, till it became obvious that she is still having hopes from her..With Sai probably he would never be having that talk..and is ready to give her up, every time there is a tumult in the relationship...With Samrat he wants to go since Samrat does not want to come..

I am struggling to understand what exactly you mean by this, Asmi. When has Virat been ready to give Sai up? Their relationship has suffered tumult after tumult, and yet they are still together. I attribute this to Sai forgiving him for his kaands, but each time, he has fought extremely hard to keep her with him. He has begged for forgiveness, done everything he could in his power to make her stay. Every time she has tried to leave the house, he has stopped her....

The reason he will retreat now is entirely different, as he feels as though he has no place in her life left... before, there were doubts about their relationship as husband and wife, but now he feels as though she does not want him even as someone who takes care of her as a zimidari. And even so, he won't let go of her. He will still be there for her whenever she needs him. Will wait to comment on this further as the track plays out...

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Pasting this take I wrote in another post about him wanting to leave today

While I agree that Virat could have attempted to convince Samrat in many ways, I don't think any of them would have worked. Samrat is too angry with him right now. I felt for Virat as he was trying to leave with Sai. Putting side the fact that he did not want Sai to be insulted (which I saw as his main motive), I saw him as an entirely helpless man. Samrat is one of the two most important people in his life, and he was refusing to even recognize Virat. Virat had been waiting an entire year for this moment. Under such pain of rejection, a person can act in one of two ways. Either they can shut down or they can try to convince the other out of desperation. Virat acted in the first way. Once he saw that Samrat was at least willing to accept his identity, he tried being more forceful, but Samrat was not having it. I think he knew that Sai would be able to get through to him, which is why he was standing there and smiling in awe of her.

If Sai had not stayed back and convinced Samrat, I can almost guarantee that this would not have been the end of it. Virat would have come back and tried to find a way to stop him.

Also, I don't think Virat "leaving" Pakhi can be added into this discussion, because he never loved her.

A good episode for me especially for no pakhi and gang, fast paced episode not really a dragfest one, samrat improved from last week, brilliant Ayesha as always , excellent precap despite we know didi is not going to suffer and will escape with her crying and victim card but the one who is really going to struggle is virat.

One thing that i really didn't liked from this episode was samrat reaction after knowing who is sai. It looked like the scene was cut. He quickly asked the question u married without me, without going with the shock look

Originally posted by: Rdigest

You pretty much captured all the points in what ever was shown 😬

I was very disappointed with the dialogues not that this is the 1st time but considering this is such an important episode it's surprising that they didnt put in any effort on the dialogues and if it matches the story line 🙄.

@bold yes it was interesting how all of them were exchanging looks with each of Samrats dialogues directed at Patraleka 😂. It would be very stupid of Virat and Sai to shove Patraleka down Samrats throat. Infact they have no right to do so, he was cheated and has the right to free Patraleka to do whatever she wants. Also Virat more than Sai is aware of what a vile and vicious person she is. Knowing all this and still pushing her on to him is unacceptable. Infact Virat should confront Pakhi about how she knew all along on why Samrat left. Atleast they would have not worried he was MIA and might have searched for him in some other way.

@ italic he did say he is understanding the hints, but Ghum and it's character have a track record of suffering from amnesia. All the characters did it in the past and we have seen an example today with sai going Gaga over her Pakhi Didi and how she is waiting for Samrat 😳. They are all duping Samrat again by saying Patraleka is waiting for him. Yes he was a coward for running away but he still doesn't deserve Patraleka and with the way he was cheated by the girl he thought he loved and his Shiva he was broken and took the easier route to escape the pain. Not everyone can be a Sai. My only complaint with him is that him not letting Mansi know anything, no mother deserves that kind of pain. .

@underlined - she is going to get white washed, be prepared with gaaliyans. She is the poor innocent victim whose husband misunderstood and left her only to return to give her divorce 😂😂. They will forget that the missing son was not missing but escaped from Didi and shove her on him 😂.

Today you could see Sai's fear and pain when Samrat said he will free Didi and she is free to live with anyone she wants 😢. I was glad that Samrat was 90% straight forward and did not make more Jalebis 🤣🤣. I am really hoping Virat has the courage to clear things with Samrat instead of actions 🙄. When him and Pakhi served words to both Sai and Samrat , they deserve words and not actions to move ahead. Pakhi is a lost case but Virat needs to speak up atleast now.

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@bolded: This moment entirely shattered my heart 😭

Agreed that no poor soul in this entire world deserves didi dearest 🤣

And I truly don't believe that Pakhi will be whitewashed this time, but Vankar's creativity can never be trusted so let's wait and watch... at the very least, we will get many scenes of Samrat bajaoing her and I personally cannot wait 😊

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Neerja I have not seen the episode, but a thought that came in my mind while reading the post was, did we not this Virat earlier.. He is very close to being a quitter when it comes to something that is not his duty..Be it Pakhi, Sai or even Samrat. He will build mountains of emotions around the person , but when it comes to act them, he shirks them off...he gives up... The only person he has been fighting a bit for is Sai...and probably is willing to give her up as well now....

With Pakhi he deserted the much needed talk, till it became obvious that she is still having hopes from her..With Sai probably he would never be having that talk..and is ready to give her up, every time there is a tumult in the relationship...With Samrat he wants to go since Samrat does not want to come..

A very interesting perspective. Even I was confused on why he wanted to leave instantly and was rewatching to try and understand that scene. But , this again is contradicting since with Pakhi he only met her 2 days at the camp so he was clear it was not his duty to stop the wedding, but what about Samrat 🙄. He is his Jeeva who is his closest, how can he give up with Jeeva not wanting to come back unless his plan was to return later 🙄

If what you are saying is indeed his character trait I hope he continues to quit when it comes to shoving Pakhi on Samrat in future 😂.