Pagdandiya ki Aafat - Page 9

Originally posted by: AreYaar

A thought worth pondering on.....if you don't claim your haq in time, does that mean your haq is gone forever?

Imlie is Adi's wife....she married him with all proper rituals in front of many witnesses. She had full rights on him as a wife but she hasn't claimed them yet....does that mean those rights are fully gone since he married Malini?

Is the logic here that all rights of a wife have automatically transferred to Malini for good and Imlie no longer has any rights as Adi's wife? So her spending any time with him anywhere is "gross"? 😆......I guess it really is very hard for people to process anything that doesn't come in the straightforward package of "This is wife, this is ex wife, this is girlfriend"😆.

Kaash Adi-Imlie would make it easier on everyone by being robots who don't feel anything until they get the "social sanction" to feel it.....despite the fact that they are married😆.

I am yet to go back and read all the takes..but I did have an inkling on some reactions today.

@BOLD: This. You said it AY! Again the entire crux of the show is it's complicated layered story line. You take that out and it is as mundane as any other show on ITV. The beauty is in it's convoluted story line. Arre haven't we seen literally in every episode that these two do not want to do anything that will hurt anyone. Haven't we seen enough of their side where they do want to tell the truth?! I want to shout like BBS did yesterday- Are these people not watching..?! Inko kya sunai de raha?!

Sigh!

*runs back to watch the caps* Thanks AY for those!

Originally posted by: pamk06

I am sorry if I am asking the wrong question in the wrong thread and you can PM me if you want it to be removed but I really want to know your thoughts on “Aditya should tell the truth” statement that people keep making

Isn’t that a given from day one? We know that and nobody is denying this fact that he needs to tell the truth. But the show is all about how a truthful person is being truthful without telling the whole truth. Or have I got it all wrong? Its not that he does not want to tell the truth or he is keeping it hidden purposely so that he can have one woman on the side. He is pretty clear that he needs to tell the truth but its the circumstances, Malini herself, her past attitude that are stopping him from doing it. Isn’t the current track all about his truth and his kashmakash of not being able to tell it? And after telling the truth and show is done and then what is purpose if this show?

Other thing is why is the truth after the PD track only Aditya’s responsibility. Isn’t it Malini’s too being the modern “aaj ki” woman that she is? Or are we supposed to consider her “humari beech ki dooriyan” as a valid question? Or her playing games and hiding things valid ways of saving marriage? Sorry to say but I really need more than that to put the whole blame on Aditya’s doorstep for the present state of their relationship. Again, not denying that Aditya needs to tell the truth and he the only one to be blamed for the current mess but other than this fact is there any reason why Malini should be consider a saint or victim for the current circumstances especially after the PD track.

People want everything to be clear cut black & white. No greys or flaws are allowed for the characters especially the leads. The kind of morality policing that people do for all Adi & Imlie interactions is unbelievable.

They have labelled Adi & Imlie as black because they have labelled Malini as all white. For them, Adi-Imlie forced marriage is illegal while Adi-Malini marriage is legal. So any romance between Adi-Imlie is morally not correct. Bechare dono ne toh abhi tak koi clear cut romance bhi nahi kiya....but them playing pakdam pakdai is also paap😆.

Their logic is Adi initially did not accept the marriage so it is not valid. So what he is doing with Imlie is EMA😆 & betraying Malini.

Regarding Adi telling the truth it is as if they are seeing only what they want to see. They have forgotten that Adi had attempted to tell Malini before their marriage itself but she fainted due to her emotional fragility. To top it off, she even believed his lie of him pranking her when normally Adi is not the kind of person who plays pranks on people, especially of such a cruel nature.

The people refuse to believe that Malini has any agency of her own in making her life decisions. She is just the abla nari victim for them who is being kept deliberately in the dark🥺😆. Malini's need to believe in her happy make believe world is so strong that she brushes all the discrepancies in Adi's behaviour & lives in her own delusions.

Instead of talking to him directly & forcing him to tell the truth at all costs she is playing mind games. What she wants is the confirmation that everything is alright & not the truth. So she is afraid to face the reality staring right in her face. Currently as well Adi is so disconnected with her, ignores her all the time, hardly even talks to her. Is this not reason enough to take some constructive action. At least accuse him that you suspect he is cheating on you....but no, delusion should remain intact even if it is a lie.

Adi is not leading her on with false promises or assurances. He wants to tell her the truth but he fears her reaction seeing her past track record... fainting, going on hunger strike when he was away for 4 days, her aap humse door ja rahe hai breakdowns at even the smallest disagreements.

After his realisation of feelings for Imlie, he has distanced himself completely from Malini. He loves Imlie & hence wants to express his feelings for her in the small ways that he can while they are waiting to tell the truth to Malini. He is being truthful to his truth but people expect him to not have any interactions with Imlie while he is still married to Malini while forgetting that he has been married to Imlie before Malini.

They don't want to understand the complexities involved & hence Adi & Imlie are being the villains by hiding the truth from Saint Malini. Even Imlie who is the most wronged person in the entire fiasco does not get sympathy. So it is wasteful to engage in such topics which are cropping up recently because then we are bullies & immoral people😆.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

A thought worth pondering on.....if you don't claim your haq in time, does that mean your haq is gone forever?

Imlie is Adi's wife....she married him with all proper rituals in front of many witnesses. She had full rights on him as a wife but she hasn't claimed them yet....does that mean those rights are fully gone since he married Malini?

Is the logic here that all rights of a wife have automatically transferred to Malini for good and Imlie no longer has any rights as Adi's wife? So her spending any time with him anywhere is "gross"? 😆......I guess it really is very hard for people to process anything that doesn't come in the straightforward package of "This is wife, this is ex wife, this is girlfriend"😆.

Kaash Adi-Imlie would make it easier on everyone by being robots who don't feel anything until they get the "social sanction" to feel it.....despite the fact that they are married😆.

I don’t think so.Adi married Malini out of his will and Imlie agreed not because she want him to marry someone else but of his desire to marry his supposed love of his life .How can you force someone to stay married to you if they don’t want to? Adi marrying Malini does not take the haq away from Imlie although it can be said that her giving away her dupatta and sindhoor can be considered a metaphorical giving away the wifely rights to Malini.Then the question that arises from that is are we looking at rights that’s given to women after religious marriage as something that can be given away to other as some type of token?What do we consider legal when we are looking at a man who knowingly married two women and now stating that the second marriage was a mistake?I don’t think even a judge can answer this questions for us😂If we are talking about a marriage in reality not reel,I guess the best answer would be found in the legal documents that clearly explains how a marriage can be considered valid which is by legal documents stating that the two stated individuals are married or there was witness to these two being married .I hate to say it but a forced marriage is not considered legal but the minute the individuals who were forced to marry acknowledges their marriage then it becomes legal ?

Originally posted by: Whatever765

I am yet to go back and read all the takes..but I did have an inkling on some reactions today.

@BOLD: This. You said it AY! Again the entire crux of the show is it's complicated layered story line. You take that out and it is as mundane as any other show on ITV. The beauty is in it's convoluted story line. Arre haven't we seen literally in every episode that these two do not want to do anything that will hurt anyone. Haven't we seen enough of their side where they do want to tell the truth?! I want to shout like BBS did yesterday- Are these people not watching..?! Inko kya sunai de raha?!

Sigh!

*runs back to watch the caps* Thanks AY for those!

Ab hum kaa bolein, Whatever ji😆.....imagine having to read after 100+ epis if Adi-Imlie are even in love with each other🤣. Puri Ramayan khatam ho gayi aur abhi tak log puchh rahein hain ki Ram kaun hai😆.

I feel part of the issue again is that people are imposing their own standardized expectations on Adi-Imlie.....if they don't align with their own worldview toh somehow they become wrong😆. It's like saying that Imlie is only acceptable to me if she is an independent woman like me....if she believes in sindoor/pati/MS, that makes her automatically "regressive" simply cuz I don't believe in all this to that extent.....lol yeh achha hai....so unless Imlie goes to college when people want, focuses on her studies when people want, she's all wrong and ofcourse, it can't be love if Imlie feels love to be an extension of devotion to her husband😕😆

Also, Babusahib really should keep banging his head cuz not just Imlie, baaki logon ko bhi unki baatein sunaayi nahin deti....he's literally said 10 times in the last few weeks ki Malini se kabhi pyar tha hi nahin and abhi bhi log confused hain about whether he's fallen "out of love" with Malini or not😆....

Anyways, can't speak for the others, but if the writers ever read this, I'd like to thank them for sticking to the base storyline and sketching Adi-Imlie beautifully in every phase.....they take things in unexpected directions and still manage to show it with such conviction that we all can understand what the characters are thinking/feeling. 😊.

Originally posted by: jj0812

I don’t think so.Adi married Malini out of his will and Imlie agreed not because she want him to marry someone else but of his desire to marry his supposed love of his life .How can you force someone to stay married to you if they don’t want to? Adi marrying Malini does not take the haq away from Imlie although it can be said that her giving away her dupatta and sindhoor can be considered a metaphorical giving away the wifely rights to Malini.Then the question that arises from that is are we looking at rights that’s given to women after religious marriage as something that can be given away to other as some type of token?What do we consider legal when we are looking at a man who knowingly married two women and now stating that the second marriage was a mistake?I don’t think even a judge can answer this questions for us😂If we are talking about a marriage in reality not reel,I guess the best answer would be found in the legal documents that clearly explains how a marriage can be considered valid which is by legal documents stating that the two stated individuals are married or there was witness to these two being married .I hate to say it but a forced marriage is not considered legal but the minute the individuals who were forced to marry acknowledges their marriage then it becomes legal ?

But I'm not even talking about the legality of the marriage yet😆....I'm talking about the rights that come from rituals too, no? When Adi married Imlie, that automatically gave her rights as his wife.....if she let go for whatever reason later on, stepping back for him to go to Malini, does that make those rights void forever?

Reason I'm asking this question also is cuz people are making it sound like just cuz Imlie isn't walking around with sindoor/MS on her, she isn't actually Adi's wife and doesn't have the rights of a wife....lol so is the logic ki only the one who "looks" like a wife all dolled up in sari/sindoor/MS is the one who has the rights?

Adi right now is literally struggling to give those rights back to Imlie that she herself let go of....that is what this is all about....but people are making it sound like Imlie has no rights anymore and all the rights are only Malini's.

Ofcourse this is fiction so we are debating it like this😆.....reality mein it would be getting hashed out via the legal route😆.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Yep, that's definitely what it looks like for now. He's ready to face the truth and its consequences but he also wants Imlie to be on the same page with him so that they can face those consequences together. Imliya however can't let go of her basic sacrificial nature so easily....so tough times ahead for Babusahib on that front😆.

Yes tough times are coming for BS & we are waiting with 🍿 to enjoy😆.

Speaking of his carelessness, lol waise room ka door was open and anyone could have walked in to see Adi-Imlie sitting and chatting on the bed....but neither of them thought about that, because once again....jab mann saaf ho, toh first thought mein kuch chhupaane ka occur nahin karta. Adi wanted to stop her from leaving, wanted to spend time with her, so he did what he wanted to and made her sit beside him....Imlie also sat down despite all her other conflicted emotions...because she wants to be with him. Us moment mein dono ne nahin socha what they will say if someone comes across them....lol....in the moment, they just gave in to the need for each other's company, the need to talk to each other.

Yes, I don't know if it is naivety or what but they do such things so openly without thinking what other people will conclude by seeing them like that😆. Talking together in his bedroom, playing pakdam pakdai in a house full of people, keeping all the gifts & sketch in her room, etc. is done without thinking of consequences. As discussed this is because they don't want to hide the truth anymore- Adi more consciously & Imlie subconsciously, so they are behaving so carelessly😆.

Re: recklessness.....lol yeah ab toh woh default hai with Adi....he's likely going to get more reckless in other ways too as we are seeing with this upcoming sindoor incident....he's just determined to express to Imlie that she has the only right on him as a wife now. Meanwhile if Malini makes the demand for a baby, it may serve as the second stage of reality check for Adi just like this hug incident....like he used this incident to clarify to Imlie that there's nothing b/w him and Malini anymore, the baby demand will push him further into the stance that only Imlie has any such rights on him and he cannot give Malini anything that a wife expects.

Oh definitely the baby demand from Malini will corner Adi more & he is going to clap back hard. Whatever worry he has for Malini's happiness & health will then not be enough to stop him from being more distant with her. He will in turn try to convince Imlie harder to support him in revealing the truth & facing the consequences of the fall out. I am expecting some kind of emotional blackmail kaand from him😆.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

A thought worth pondering on.....if you don't claim your haq in time, does that mean your haq is gone forever?

Imlie is Adi's wife....she married him with all proper rituals in front of many witnesses. She had full rights on him as a wife but she hasn't claimed them yet....does that mean those rights are fully gone since he married Malini?

Is the logic here that all rights of a wife have automatically transferred to Malini for good and Imlie no longer has any rights as Adi's wife? So her spending any time with him anywhere is "gross"? 😆......I guess it really is very hard for people to process anything that doesn't come in the straightforward package of "This is wife, this is ex wife, this is girlfriend"😆.

Kaash Adi-Imlie would make it easier on everyone by being robots who don't feel anything until they get the "social sanction" to feel it.....despite the fact that they are married😆.

What is this confusion ab? Will try to catch up on posts in a while.

Agar kal Aditya khud se/ mann se sindoor bharega Imlie ke maang mein, tab “romance” allowed hai kya?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

A thought worth pondering on.....if you don't claim your haq in time, does that mean your haq is gone forever?

Imlie is Adi's wife....she married him with all proper rituals in front of many witnesses. She had full rights on him as a wife but she hasn't claimed them yet....does that mean those rights are fully gone since he married Malini?

Is the logic here that all rights of a wife have automatically transferred to Malini for good and Imlie no longer has any rights as Adi's wife? So her spending any time with him anywhere is "gross"? 😆......I guess it really is very hard for people to process anything that doesn't come in the straightforward package of "This is wife, this is ex wife, this is girlfriend"😆.

Kaash Adi-Imlie would make it easier on everyone by being robots who don't feel anything until they get the "social sanction" to feel it.....despite the fact that they are married😆.

i think we are so used to the one wife concept that it little difficult for some people to accept that both women have equal right or haq..(if they would shown him as a king from the old age then it might have been easy😆).. just because one marriage was forced and other of will does not mean one marriage is invalid and other valid. Both marriages were done with full rituals so really if one is invalid then other is too, if we are saying that rituals really do not decide the validity of marriage. (We should just have a court marriage and save lot of money😆)

Having said that, if we individually look at each marriage, forget reality but there are so many marriage in ITV itself, where leads do not claim haq as soon as the marriage is done. The whole premise of ITV is based on this love after marriage concept. Does that mean that when they actually start romancing they no longer should because the haq is gone.

I think it more easy to look at it if we see it as two different marriages, one that is going down the drain and one that is surviving the test of time. It is ok to realize that you are not in love with the person who you claim to be and it’s ok to realize that you have fallen in love with your wife after marriage. You cannot call it gross just because he is spending some time with his first wife without forgetting even for the second that there is second wife.

Not sure if people actually see the show because in the end all they were talking about is sacrifice for Malini so not sure what is gross in that 😆 them trying to suppress their feeling even when they are married.

I think sindoor ke saath kuch toh kaand hoga abhi. Aditya seems to have given Malini’s sindoor daani to Imlie? Barsegi woh Imlie ke upar. And I think whatever fight they have, the family may not be present or they are all there; just the precap has been shot differently?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ab hum kaa bolein, Whatever ji😆.....imagine having to read after 100+ epis if Adi-Imlie are even in love with each other🤣. Puri Ramayan khatam ho gayi aur abhi tak log puchh rahein hain ki Ram kaun hai😆.

Oh yes....there are people who are wondering when did Adi-Imlie fall in love😆 because they didn't have the typical love story progression. They are thinking that Adi has fallen in love with Imlie during the latest PD trip only. Before that he was in love with Malini😆. I want to know if they were even watching the episodes or just glancing through them.

Did they really think that Adi's fierce protectiveness for Imlie since the time he has met her was only because she was a zimmedari as labelled by Adi? I guess Adi was not the only one who was in denial😆.

I mean forget his outburst of emotions during the gunshot incident where nothing mattered to him but saving Imlie's life but how can they forget the bridge collapse incident where he broke all the protocols & rescued Imlie when Malini was literally calling out to him🤣. He was literally busy rescuing other people while waiting for Malini to be rescued by the rescue team😆. Are these actions of a man in love with Malini? People's blindness to such obvious incidents astounds me😆.

I feel part of the issue again is that people are imposing their own standardized expectations on Adi-Imlie.....if they don't align with their own worldview toh somehow they become wrong😆. It's like saying that Imlie is only acceptable to me if she is an independent woman like me....if she believes in sindoor/pati/MS, that makes her automatically "regressive" simply cuz I don't believe in all this to that extent.....lol yeh achha hai....so unless Imlie goes to college when people want, focuses on her studies when people want, she's all wrong and ofcourse, it can't be love if Imlie feels love to be an extension of devotion to her husband😕😆

Also, Babusahib really should keep banging his head cuz not just Imlie, baaki logon ko bhi unki baatein sunaayi nahin deti....he's literally said 10 times in the last few weeks ki Malini se kabhi pyar tha hi nahin and abhi bhi log confused hain about whether he's fallen "out of love" with Malini or not😆....

Anyways, can't speak for the others, but if the writers ever read this, I'd like to thank them for sticking to the base storyline and sketching Adi-Imlie beautifully in every phase.....they take things in unexpected directions and still manage to show it with such conviction that we all can understand what the characters are thinking/feeling. 😊.

Touch wood* but really the writers should be commended for sticking to their basic story & characters. But I believe based on the TRPs where Imlie is the slot leader that the story is accepted by majority of the viewers. It is only the few vocal opposers who keep moral policing the show in social media😛.