The two-faced guilt trap - Page 12

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: This exactly.

Maybe they should have put this scene in one of their usual precaps which they chop before the epi airs so it doesn't become canon😆.....but this time they forgot to and it's going to be hard for us to forget that the Adi who was otherwise making tall claims about not letting anything wrong happen with Imlie.....was totally stumped when Malini didi right under his nose disparaged Imlie so much. Yeh bas khadaa dekhta reh gaya......sorry but I didn't feel any sympathy for this laachaar turned away face. If they aren't careful, he might as well be rendered another Dev who just makes tall claims to himself, does token pushbacks but stays silent through so many times when Imlie is humiliated by his wife.

I still can't figure out how he will come around in the next epi....lol is there going to be a continuation to this scene with Malini? Is he suddenly going to stick up for Imlie AFTER she's left? Then suddenly Adi will discover his spine to ask Malini why she spoke like that to Imlie? I doubt it.....looks like they will directly jump to that scene where Adi is arguing with the Cs and then taking Imlie home. And uske baad woh sab balloons wala convo.....lol should they really be talking about the future of their relationship when Adi can't even find the guts to protect her from Malini?

I think he was surprised that there has been so much change in his behavior towards her that she noticed it. then she asked him that is it her fault which put him totally into the full guilt mode because acc to him it is all his fault.... Then Imlie entering and catching him in the act was another guilt strike..so he was totally out of his sorts.... . I get all that, what I cannot fathom is he letting Malini cut Imlie to pieces. He knew Malini was taking her anger of him out on Imlie. A simple “ malini chup ho Jao or Imlie ya se jao” would have been suffice. But him turning away and not doing anything in his guilt and forgetting normal courtesy is what I just cannot understand.

I guess the makers did not want Imlie to be blamed after Malini’s “mein bechari” act hence they made Aditya a scapegoat because they also wanted Malini to remain in the “Mahaan” zone.

Anyways there is BTS where C’s wants Imlie to stay back and Aditya is arguing with Malini with her “ saaf No” and “ she can stay back” so let’s just hope they do it correctly and bring him back from wherever ever they threw him and hopefully he Sunao’s Malini before stepping out of the room but keeping my expectations low😊

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: But in who's eyes?😆.....She's already been diminished in our eyes a long time back.....do you really see any of her antics diminishing her in Adi or Imlie's eyes? lol Adi doesn't do much other than pointing out a few times that Malini is twisting his words or whatever but then she's always got the bigger thing to hold over his head that he hasn't given her answers to her questions.....so it just goes around in a circle.....aise kya diminish hoga?

Malini's emotional manipulations and martyr act are only obvious to us.....not to anyone else. I don't know what it will take for her to do or say to Imlie for Adi to get any reality check.

So to me, the more likely scenario is still that the makers will continue this determined effort to whitewash Malini no matter what she says/does and the blame will always keep coming back to be laid on Adi-Imlie only.....End mein Didi will do some mahaan sacrifice to "free" them from their guilt and that will be it.

The worst case scenario I'm dreading is Adi then even blaming HIMSELF for Malini becoming what she's now becoming.....lol.....that supposedly him not giving her what she wants is turning her into this bitter/mean person.....lol so yeh bhi Adi ki hi galti hai....rather than anyone acknowledging that her personality issues were always there but glossed over by everyone.

I'm not sure if the makers intend to whitewash Malini...but you are right that her emotional manipulations are more obvious to the audience. Though I think this is done deliberately to show how ineffective and destructive her manipulations are. That even though others may or may not consciously realise it, they still don't fall for it and frankly don't care for it. Like the whole sindoor debacle...she was asking for pity when she said that the sindoor was not in her kismat but no one indulged her or showed sympathy for her.😆 They all left to eat lunch straight after. Today also, she tried her manipulation/martyr act on Adi in the kitchen by saying that she will go and eat with people who want to eat with her. But he stayed and ate on the kitchen floor anyway...this to me proves that while he may not consciously realise her manipulations, it still has zilch effect on him. And after every episode of martyr act/emotional manipulation, Malini heightens the gap between her & Adi/ the Ts'. It started with the bedaag trust convo, when she was basically trying to manipulate him into not hiding things from her but did it work? He started hiding things from her even more after that point and distanced himself from her to the extent that now he doesn't even feel like acknowledging her existence. The Ts' also distanced themselves from her after she made a public spectacle of her relationship problems with Adi. So although her emotional manipulations/martyr act are grating, I think the purpose is not to whitewash her, but to show how ineffective and destructive it all is. And it is ineffective precisely because it is not obvious to Adi/others like you rightly pointed out. Others never understand what she wants because she never communicates her feelings directly which makes people distance themselves from her lest they offend her again. This has destroyed her relationship with Adi and it will destroy her relationship with the Ts' as well.

And I think that as her insecurities re. Imlie increase, she may put her down more frequently to show her her 'place' and stake claim on Adi like she did today. She might do things to distance Imlie from Adi & the Ts' like when she did not allow Imlie to attend that family dinner after Nishant bought a car. Back then, I did not understand why she did it but now it's clear to me that she didn't want Imlie to attend because it was a family dinner and she always thought of Imlie as a servant (remember Sundar was also not sitting at the table with everyone). We may also get scenes like holi day when she didn't allow Imlie to put colour on her. So I think she will continue hurting Imlie in her subtle ways which will make Imlie distance herself from Adi and the Ts' and that will diminish her in their eyes once they find out.

So overall, the kind of diminishing I'm talking about is not in the sense that others will think of her with less regard, it's more about distance. Her emotional manipulations/martyr acts and self-destructive behaviour will distance her from others to such an extent that any bachi kuchi guilt and sympathy they have for her will fly out the window. She will become a spare part at the Ts' house. Besides, how long can you feel guilt and sympathy for someone who you feel little to no connection to? Love will always override the kind of guilt that stems from obligation.

Re. Adi blaming himself: 😵Noo.. I really hope this won't happen.😆

Originally posted by: pamk06

I think he was surprised that there has been so much change in his behavior towards her that she noticed it. then she asked him that is it her fault which put him totally into the full guilt mode because acc to him it is all his fault.... Then Imlie entering and catching him in the act was another guilt strike..so he was totally out of his sorts.... . I get all that, what I cannot fathom is he letting Malini cut Imlie to pieces. He knew Malini was taking her anger of him out on Imlie. A simple “ malini chup ho Jao or Imlie ya se jao” would have been suffice. But him turning away and not doing anything in his guilt and forgetting normal courtesy is what I just cannot understand.

I guess the makers did not want Imlie to be blamed after Malini’s “mein bechari” act hence they made Aditya a scapegoat because they also wanted Malini to remain in the “Mahaan” zone.

Anyways there is BTS where C’s wants Imlie to stay back and Aditya is arguing with Malini with her “ saaf No” and “ she can stay back” so let’s just hope they do it correctly and bring him back from wherever ever they threw him and hopefully he Sunao’s Malini before stepping out of the room but keeping my expectations low😊

@bold: Exactly. I also am unable to see why they couldn't even show him doing a token pushback of stopping Malini....any generic statement would have done....but he was suddenly shown totally mute.

Originally posted by: Krantikari

I'm not sure if the makers intend to whitewash Malini...but you are right that her emotional manipulations are more obvious to the audience. Though I think this is done deliberately to show how ineffective and destructive her manipulations are. That even though others may or may not consciously realise it, they still don't fall for it and frankly don't care for it. Like the whole sindoor debacle...she was asking for pity when she said that the sindoor was not in her kismat but no one indulged her or showed sympathy for her.😆 They all left to eat lunch straight after. Today also, she tried her manipulation/martyr act on Adi in the kitchen by saying that she will go and eat with people who want to eat with her. But he stayed and ate on the kitchen floor anyway...this to me proves that while he may not consciously realise her manipulations, it still has zilch effect on him. And after every episode of martyr act/emotional manipulation, Malini heightens the gap between her & Adi/ the Ts'. It started with the bedaag trust convo, when she was basically trying to manipulate him into not hiding things from her but did it work? He started hiding things from her even more after that point and distanced himself from her to the extent that now he doesn't even feel like acknowledging her existence. The Ts' also distanced themselves from her after she made a public spectacle of her relationship problems with Adi. So although her emotional manipulations/martyr act are grating, I think the purpose is not to whitewash her, but to show how ineffective and destructive it all is. And it is ineffective precisely because it is not obvious to Adi/others like you rightly pointed out. Others never understand what she wants because she never communicates her feelings directly which makes people distance themselves from her lest they offend her again. This has destroyed her relationship with Adi and it will destroy her relationship with the Ts' as well.

And I think that as her insecurities re. Imlie increase, she may put her down more frequently to show her her 'place' and stake claim on Adi like she did today. She might do things to distance Imlie from Adi & the Ts' like when she did not allow Imlie to attend that family dinner after Nishant bought a car. Back then, I did not understand why she did it but now it's clear to me that she didn't want Imlie to attend because it was a family dinner and she always thought of Imlie as a servant (remember Sundar was also not sitting at the table with everyone). We may also get scenes like holi day when she didn't allow Imlie to put colour on her. So I think she will continue hurting Imlie in her subtle ways which will make Imlie distance herself from Adi and the Ts' and that will diminish her in their eyes once they find out.

So overall, the kind of diminishing I'm talking about is not in the sense that others will think of her with less regard, it's more about distance. Her emotional manipulations/martyr acts and self-destructive behaviour will distance her from others to such an extent that any bachi kuchi guilt and sympathy they have for her will fly out the window. She will become a spare part at the Ts' house. Besides, how long can you feel guilt and sympathy for someone who you feel little to no connection to? Love will always override the kind of guilt that stems from obligation.

Re. Adi blaming himself: 😵Noo.. I really hope this won't happen.😆

@bold: I see your general point but I'd still ask....are they totally ineffective if at the end of the day, they do manage to create situations like the one yesterday? She did manage to mostly freeze Adi with the weight of her guilt trip, didn't she? And that too, to the point where he didn't even speak up to defend Imlie when she mistreated Imlie.

So to me, it still doesn't seem like all this is only destroying her or her relationships with Adi/Ts....she is leaving a lot of other damage in her wake, including the one inflicted on Imlie who literally is the most innocent one in this whole drama. And if all this is really so "ineffective", how come Imlie is still the one left the most hurt?

Malini's insecurities are endless and they have been building up for a long time.....but until Adi gathers the guts to start calling her out on her bullshit like he calls out AC, all of this is moot. I don't even have any high expectations of him taking some grand stand or suddenly managing to tell the truth and clear up this whole issue once and for all.....I know the story will get dragged but what I can't abide by is this Dev version of Adi acting all laachaar, not standing up for Imlie in the interim.

If as you are saying, these antics of Malini's keep increasing in the coming days and all we still get are guilt trips from Adi and the Ts about how "bechaari" she is, then again, is it really ineffective?

I get your point that in the larger scheme of things, this will distance her from them....but LOL to that I say, when exactly was she ever REALLY close to any of them?😆.....she's shared a FORMAL relationship with them for a long time anyways....everything covered up in saccharine compliments and surface level niceness.....and I don't know if whatever Malini is doing right now also will make them drop all that cuz in their eyes, she is a perpetual victim facing the brunt of Adi's anger and irritability....so that facade will continue to be maintained until someone gets a reality check about what she's doing wrong. Even if she puts down Imlie more frequently in the coming days, what's the guarantee anyone will stick up for Imlie over her? The Ts toh don't even stick up much for Imlie when AC puts her down.....lol Malini toh unki pyari bahu hai....usko thodi na bolenge......and Adi's erratic mood swings toh waise bhi no one seems to take seriously in that house. 😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: I see your general point but I'd still ask....are they totally ineffective if at the end of the day, they do manage to create situations like the one yesterday? She did manage to mostly freeze Adi with the weight of her guilt trip, didn't she? And that too, to the point where he didn't even speak up to defend Imlie when she mistreated Imlie.

So to me, it still doesn't seem like all this is only destroying her or her relationships with Adi/Ts....she is leaving a lot of other damage in her wake, including the one inflicted on Imlie who literally is the most innocent one in this whole drama. And if all this is really so "ineffective", how come Imlie is still the one left the most hurt?

Malini's insecurities are endless and they have been building up for a long time.....but until Adi gathers the guts to start calling her out on her bullshit like he calls out AC, all of this is moot. I don't even have any high expectations of him taking some grand stand or suddenly managing to tell the truth and clear up this whole issue once and for all.....I know the story will get dragged but what I can't abide by is this Dev version of Adi acting all laachaar, not standing up for Imlie in the interim.

If as you are saying, these antics of Malini's keep increasing in the coming days and all we still get are guilt trips from Adi and the Ts about how "bechaari" she is, then again, is it really ineffective?

Word.... The thing is we audience have seen this, know this but Aditya needs to see this. T's have always been distant with her because mano ya mano there is superiority complex that she carries around her and everyone kind of adheres to it. The class difference that Aditya has issues with comes out in her behavior... She was Ok with Imlie taking over the center with the family as long as Aditya was always angry with Imlie... she made that point yesterday, but now that Aditya is making her the priority, Malini inherent superiority is making her question that how can he put Imlie before her. Hence the speech yesterday that stay in your place, do not cross your limits came out as her place is getting threatened. Aditya will be blind to her faults and has been because she has not shown his or has been her sweet self to anybody dear to him but Imlie is another matter....He will be in guilt but the only way he can start seeing her true nature would be as she cuts Imlie down, he will not be able to bear that and would question her.. The more he does that, the more Malini will be rattled, the more she will unravel. I think we should just brace ourselves for Imlie being in the crossfire between these two but it will be only effective if Aditya notices and makes a stand. If he stays in his guilt mode and goes into mute mode, then all Malini's antics are good for nothing.

Lovely discussion and as always thanks for the post and caps 🤗 although it was a mixed episode it was one we where going to get sooner or later and today was the first glimpse of what is to come. I for one never expected Imlie and Aditya journey to be smooth sailing for there are so many thorns they have to cross. One of the biggest being the commitment he is in with Maline.

The scene today was one proving that Maline will not let Aditya walk away as easily as he believes. He has known one side of her for 7 years he has seen the woman whom waited to marry him has agreed with him throughout. It’s hard for him to see and feel anything else because he has not been aware of her other traits. I feel as this journey moves along he will be more aware of why he realised why he never loved her to begin with. It’s like he said one looks in the mirror only to see what they want and once has to except that change happens. He has not seen this side of her and accepting it as anything else is hard for him and hence the guilt trip. He is stuck between what he feels and sees. As much as it disappointing to see he didn’t say a word one can also feel how difficult it must have been for him to remain in control. I feel the promise holds him back and the sudden million questions once he shall reflect upon. And answer in due course. We know he is flawed and we saw this when his father talked him through this before he went to pd he is still in denial and when he gets out of this phase we shall see a side of him that will fight for what he feels right at the moment he is wanting to protect Imlie and her promises. But sometimes we just have to do what we know we want all along.

At the same time the scene today where dev didn’t bother to correct his wife was a sign that he may claim he wants to be a father but he will not be the one imlie needs. He once again failed to show simple respect. Keeping a secret is fine but I feel like for him having the knowledge that he has a daughter is okay and with it all else goes out the window. I feel this scene was added to show that dev will always choice the family he has grown with and Maline will always come first. Aditya maybe weak at the moment but he will come around sooner or later to show his support and one his mistake. Dev I just find spineless and I know realise why meeti refused him from claiming her daughter. She is better off without him.

Why do I feel he maybe ask imlie to sacrifice her love for his Maline. I don’t feel he is at all a positive influence and Aditya zidd will make her realise that sometimes we have to do what right for us. She will realise the meaning of satyakaam words soon when he left her in the woods. The girl has always been giving but one side I remember she always wanted her name for herself and maybe this time she will realise that this path is not easy either. She believes in the value of relationships but in the end she will learn the harsh reality of status and with it that not all can be forgiven.

I still feel Aditya wants to do more for Imlie but the fear of not knowing what he means to her holds him back and the promise doesn’t help. We know he has made a mistake one he will try and fix and even discuss with her but in the end our heart and mind can only walk so far. He is insecure because he has found something he never knew he could have and losing him scares him as well. He is not afraid to say what he wants he is simper afraid to be alone in yeh fight. She is his safety net and with her can can walk through any storm. It’s just he needs to know how and when. For walking a path of truth in fact is easier then one which is involve emotions.

he has never had to do this with his family or his relationships with Maline but with imlie she makes him reflect on all aspects. That’s what rattles him and at the same time makes him take a stand.

Hopeful it makes sense but sorry if I have mixed the message.

Will come back in a bit and elaborate/ respond on posts but the LEAST, absolute LEAST Aditya can do right now is protect Imlie from being a universal punching bag; from being Malini’s punching bag. If he cannot do even that much, he should set her free.

So much have been said about last night epi and I was watching fan made vm just now.

Until now there is lot of PDA shown of Adi and Malini

In last night epi as soon as the door opened,he pushed back Malini and turn his face like he is caught with his hand in cookie jar..

Well I see some change.. 😉😊

The feeling of doing wrong from Adi's side even with a comfort hug

Originally posted by: Tulips123

So much have been said about last night epi and I was watching fan made vm just now.

Until now there is lot of PDA shown of Adi and Malini

In last night epi as soon as the door opened,he pushed back Malini and turn his face like he is caught with his hand in cookie jar..

Well I see some change.. 😉😊

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Exactly. I also am unable to see why they couldn't even show him doing a token pushback of stopping Malini....any generic statement would have done....but he was suddenly shown totally mute.

+1

The adi who was willing to fight otherwise was just made a dumb spectator and that is the problem.. he was fighting for imlie till the conversation in the room started but when ma'am started unloading her crap he couldn't even be let it be just stop you leave imlie and you talk to me.. that is the problem... he could insert your mom does it and you can't see it in between the dressing down imlie too but couldn't say a token stop .. she did look helplessly at him in between but he was too busy feeling sad for himself it was only when she said she isn't coming in between jab iske antennas khade huye.. like why can't she just leave then 😒