Is this the state of Shaurya’s mind? - Page 2

Originally posted by: somewhereover

Shaurya’s words and aggression towards Anokhi this week was rooted in a deep internalized misogyny and sense of male entitlement. Sense of ownership over Anokhi as if she was his property. Maybe inner child issues played a role but it seems mainly cultural and societal especially the reference to class differences and small town versus big town. His other family members and probably more in their socioecomic status have similar views as him.

Everyone has trigger conditions as the last post mentioned. Some that led people to resort to heinous deeds such as extreme verbal abuse, physical and emotional harassment and sadly violence. As we have seen with other characters in this show and their actions. At some point, what can be excused and what cannot? This is a tv show so they’re most likely not going into the mental aspect or else nearly everycharacter in ITV would be seeking professional help

😁Bang on! Sadly showing MLs in this light I believe has become a norm in ITV. Wish they showed positive traits of both the genders consistently in all shows.But we have angst ridden doms or rich spoilt brats with hearts of diamonds 😁 or naagins , daayans and scheming family members. 🤪 .

This show stood apart because it was grounded and realistic. Until the wildcard dialogues happened. Personally, I thought they were too harsh and that the writer could’ve toned them down. All being said, I hope they begin showing a gradual yet pronounced change in Shaurya.😊 And hope ACP helps him with that, giving us some much needed Shahir bromance😜

I wish someone who he really cares for calls him a degraded man ..words which could inflict tje same pain which he used on anokhi. Then I won't care for an apology also.

Originally posted by: _charu_

I wish someone who he really cares for calls him a degraded man ..words which could inflict tje same pain which he used on anokhi. Then I won't care for an apology also.

i think this might happen. he will not understand the weight if his words until someone he knows or is close to points it out to him. Unfortunately...idk who can do that unless Anokhi tells alok and tej what he has said. The maybe they will make him understand the gravity of his words esp bc hes a professor and a director of siac. he cant go around speaking to students like that no matter how much he likes them personally and is jealous.

Shaurya was triggered for sure but he does not have PTSD, PTSD stems from different experiences I don't have much exposure on this front but yes there is definitely some psychological trauma involved here based on keshini and Shreya's posts but its not PTSD.

Originally posted by: FortunaMajor

Shaurya was triggered for sure but he does not have PTSD, PTSD stems from different experiences I don't have much exposure on this front but yes there is definitely some psychological trauma involved here based on keshini and Shreya's posts but its not PTSD.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I guess it’s not trauma I’m his case

Originally posted by: somewhereover

Shaurya’s words and aggression towards Anokhi this week was rooted in a deep internalized misogyny and sense of male entitlement. Sense of ownership over Anokhi as if she was his property. Maybe inner child issues played a role but it seems mainly cultural and societal especially the reference to class differences and small town versus big town. His other family members and probably more in their socioecomic status have similar views as him.

Everyone has trigger conditions as the last post mentioned. Some that led people to resort to heinous deeds such as extreme verbal abuse, physical and emotional harassment and sadly violence. As we have seen with other characters in this show and their actions. At some point, what can be excused and what cannot? This is a tv show so they’re most likely not going into the mental aspect or else nearly everycharacter in ITV would be seeking professional help

And behind every such male is an over indulgent parent who misguide them into thinking that there is nobody out there as good as them...instill the raja beta syndrome in them jo Kabhi galat nai hote ....the self entitlement comes from there. Only Shaan was the one who pointed the finger in the right direction. Devi. Did u notice how she was telling shaurya "tum jahan jaate ho log tumhe pyar karte hain , Tumhare jaisa koi nahi". She is just a sophisticated version of anokhis dad. And anokhis brother is the worse version of shaurya . He just took it to the extreme ,.resorting to.violence to get what he wants. Just like.vineet , his mother , same case.....Shaurya resorts to emotional abuse when things don't go right for him.

@ bold2

Excellent point. What can be excused and what.not..here we need to check our own prejudices. If it was acp ahir uttering those words to anokhi or it was that student what was his name..who was ragging her.. the rich brat ..if he called anokhi a loose character girl, then we won't be doing their psychoanalysis right? We will write them off without a second thought. I am also not sure what the general audience think about it. Is it that serious for them ? That's where the whole point of "showing an issue.properly" should be considered. Nobody does that. Bas they will brush everything under the carpet with romance , shaurya helping her, anokhi forgetting everything by next week. I will still say , anokhis pain was downplayed to glorify shaurya. 😵

I can excuse shaurya , the thing is ,his apology must come in actions. Which I know won't happen. Bec hero and heroine must.misunderstand each other . Bec they will take his aspect of shauryas personality to create problems for anokhi.

I will recommend a paki show "khani" ..its a brilliant piece of work..if u like dark characters and their love stories..we tend to romanticize every disturbing aspect while they don't. The ml actually felt so ashamed of himself n realized why the FL could never love him .he actually went through the process of redemption but stayed empty handed till the end.

Originally posted by: somewhereover

Shaurya’s words and aggression towards Anokhi this week was rooted in a deep internalized misogyny and sense of male entitlement. Sense of ownership over Anokhi as if she was his property. Maybe inner child issues played a role but it seems mainly cultural and societal especially the reference to class differences and small town versus big town. His other family members and probably more in their socioecomic status have similar views as him.

Everyone has trigger conditions as the last post mentioned. Some that led people to resort to heinous deeds such as extreme verbal abuse, physical and emotional harassment and sadly violence. As we have seen with other characters in this show and their actions. At some point, what can be excused and what cannot? This is a tv show so they’re most likely not going into the mental aspect or else nearly everycharacter in ITV would be seeking professional help

When you read through a psychology books, you really need stronger sense of self belief😆 that's why I moved to Education domain after majors in psychology...

The moment you go through books you start realizing you have symptoms related most of the psychological issues/problems ... And good thing for you is that you realize it as psychology majors, while most who through it don't....

Every single person has some level of some trait in extreme... And could require a psychological treatment... Unfortunately, I have NEVER seen a real counseling session in movies or television shows... Dear Zindagi followed some boundries about ethical relations but broke so many others...

Shaurya has extreme issues of anger but he definitely has controlled emotions with most of the people around unless they push those buttons.... Jealousy and outbursts are part of their personality. I liked how someone did point out that he in a way is no different from other male abusers in the show... While they get violent, physical, he has probably worse one.. Verbal...

Originally posted by: _charu_

And behind every such male is an over indulgent parent who misguide them into thinking that there is nobody out there as good as them...instill the raja beta syndrome in them jo Kabhi galat nai hote ....the self entitlement comes from there. Only Shaan was the one who pointed the finger in the right direction. Devi. Did u notice how she was telling shaurya "tum jahan jaate ho log tumhe pyar karte hain , Tumhare jaisa koi nahi". She is just a sophisticated version of anokhis dad. And anokhis brother is the worse version of shaurya . He just took it to the extreme ,.resorting to.violence to get what he wants. Just like.vineet , his mother , same case.....Shaurya resorts to emotional abuse when things don't go right for him.

@ bold2

Excellent point. What can be excused and what.not..here we need to check our own prejudices. If it was acp ahir uttering those words to anokhi or it was that student what was his name..who was ragging her.. the rich brat ..if he called anokhi a loose character girl, then we won't be doing their psychoanalysis right? We will write them off without a second thought. I am also not sure what the general audience think about it. Is it that serious for them ? That's where the whole point of "showing an issue.properly" should be considered. Nobody does that. Bas they will brush everything under the carpet with romance , shaurya helping her, anokhi forgetting everything by next week. I will still say , anokhis pain was downplayed to glorify shaurya. 😵

I can excuse shaurya , the thing is ,his apology must come in actions. Which I know won't happen. Bec hero and heroine must.misunderstand each other . Bec they will take his aspect of shauryas personality to create problems for anokhi.

I will recommend a paki show "khani" ..its a brilliant piece of work..if u like dark characters and their love stories..we tend to romanticize every disturbing aspect while they don't. The ml actually felt so ashamed of himself n realized why the FL could never love him .he actually went through the process of redemption but stayed empty handed till the end.

Totally agree 👍👏

Originally posted by: _charu_

And behind every such male is an over indulgent parent who misguide them into thinking that there is nobody out there as good as them...instill the raja beta syndrome in them jo Kabhi galat nai hote ....the self entitlement comes from there. Only Shaan was the one who pointed the finger in the right direction. Devi. Did u notice how she was telling shaurya "tum jahan jaate ho log tumhe pyar karte hain , Tumhare jaisa koi nahi". She is just a sophisticated version of anokhis dad. And anokhis brother is the worse version of shaurya . He just took it to the extreme ,.resorting to.violence to get what he wants. Just like.vineet , his mother , same case.....Shaurya resorts to emotional abuse when things don't go right for him.

@ bold2

Excellent point. What can be excused and what.not..here we need to check our own prejudices. If it was acp ahir uttering those words to anokhi or it was that student what was his name..who was ragging her.. the rich brat ..if he called anokhi a loose character girl, then we won't be doing their psychoanalysis right? We will write them off without a second thought. I am also not sure what the general audience think about it. Is it that serious for them ? That's where the whole point of "showing an issue.properly" should be considered. Nobody does that. Bas they will brush everything under the carpet with romance , shaurya helping her, anokhi forgetting everything by next week. I will still say , anokhis pain was downplayed to glorify shaurya. 😵

I can excuse shaurya , the thing is ,his apology must come in actions. Which I know won't happen. Bec hero and heroine must.misunderstand each other . Bec they will take his aspect of shauryas personality to create problems for anokhi.

I will recommend a paki show "khani" ..its a brilliant piece of work..if u like dark characters and their love stories..we tend to romanticize every disturbing aspect while they don't. The ml actually felt so ashamed of himself n realized why the FL could never love him .he actually went through the process of redemption but stayed empty handed till the end.

I completely agree. It’s important to check our prejudices. If it’s Vineet who abused, we instantly think it’s wrong and want better for Babli. She should go with DJ Vicky because he’s a good man and respects her whereas Vineet doesn’t. Vineet has yet to feel bad anything he does and he thinks he can treat babli whatever he wants because he’s her wife. Honestly the AS library scene words conveyed a very similar sentiment. Why did you go to see him? Is he your childhood friend? What card are you using? There’s a Vineet and babli scene thats very similar at the start of the show where he doesn’t like her dancing, hurts her and passes off some rude remarks, character shaming her. I hated that scene and fortunately Anokhi stopped him. I know Vineet is an extreme example and can’t be compared apples to apples but it’s a pattern of behavior.

Plus Vineets mother constantly reinforces and supports his behavior. It’s the same with Devi. Sabherwals are just more refined and sophisticated on the surface but the underlying thoughts are v similar. Emotional and verbal abuse is abuse.

Shaurya has some scope to improve but it’s going to be a very long process and a one time apology will just the start. With Anokhi this happened once (twice if we count the next days episode) so there isn’t a pattern but sometimes one time is one time enough. I agree it needs to come in continuous action. If they end up glorifying it to show more pain for FL, they have went back on their original intent of this show, sadly. Anokhi doesn’t seem to one to accept or tolerate such behavior and we see her advocating for her sister as well. Let’s see what happens.

I’ll def check out the serial if i can find it online. Thanks for the recommendation.

Originally posted by: prs_725

Yeah I think fear triggered by his abandonment issues following the events following his mom leaving him ensued these words that come from his choti soch.

You make a great point there - the saberwals carry choti soch, however, they also seem to show a sense of responsibility and care towards others as highlighted from AA track, Devi asking if Anokhi is okay, a sense of respect for others as long as they have nothing to do with them and they feel are the entitled ones.

Sabharwals needed to show their sense of responsibility in AA track because media was involved and they had to save face. Also they are bound to act as responsible citizens because they run an educational institute.

About Devi, she is also a borderline psychotic case. She is definitely a victim but also a perpetrator. She asked if Anokhi was okay as a formality. She even said to Shaan that she would pray for Aastha but then went to feed Shaurya some more lies about her. Like Shaurya, she doesn't say what she thinks. Someone should now do an analysis of Devi's character.