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Posted: 4 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: jane_austen

That was so well put. I agree that Virat longs for Sai to be as fiercely protective of him as she was towards her aabha- be the centre of her world. Whatever Virat does for Sai does come from genuine care. But when he becomes insecure, he is blinded by just one thought " I do so much for her, doesn't she realize?" He needs an assurance - that his care is acknowledged. Unfortunately for him, Sai is too self-willed and self-protective. So the conflict keeps repeating.

What has been intriguing me about Virat since the domestic abuse episodes - is the level of rage that he experienced (It was scary). Had he not been THAT angry, he would not have acted abusive. So where does the potential for extreme rage come from? Is it symptomatic of people who suppress their feelings - be the sacrificial lamb to keep everyone happy? Does such a conditioning result in unexpected bouts of extreme rage that surprise even themselves? (Don't know if this analysis is valid in this case). Of course even in such a rage, a person WOULD NOT act abusive unless he has imbibed it unkowingly from his toxic father. He does regret it, but personally I'm not convinced that he has unlearned it yet.


I have a perspective on why it is so easy for Virat and Sai to suddenly end up in different teams. The expectation --that the other must agree-- has a major role to play, of course. But when it comes to a disagreement in public, they are almost never (I can't recall any incident) able to keep it decent and amicable. So, the reason why I pointed out to yesterday's dialogues delivered by both of them about the confidence they had in getting the support of the other had struck me right yesterday -- he thinks she will side with him when he tells her what he found and she thinks he will side with her because she believes in the truth. The loopholes have been discussed so many times and they have both not done enough to prove anything. Especially Sai. She has no proof and obviously, no one can support just a 'belief' when some evidence, even if planted, has been found to indicate something wrong.

So Sai questions in a very unpleasant tone (I would not deny) without using the right words to make him feel that she trusts him but he could have been misled and they need to go and work this out together. Vahini leaves no chance to instigate Virat and he does get instigated because Sai questioning him is like Sai going away from him mentally. To Sai, Virat's silence or his stand in favour of the family is always a reminder that she is not important to him and he doesn't consider her intelligent enough (because Patralekha is speaking and his silence is construed as an agreement to her words. And I would not fault Sai for feeling that way because it happens way to often in tense situations). Forget that just the night before they shared a beautiful moment with each other -- the memory is not enough to help tide through this with each other -- just a simple, okay let's go in private and talk. Why?

The real answer is that it is because they actually do have a distance between them that they are aware of-- they are not "one" yet. It brings me back to the word "intimacy". So we have seen them develop intellectual intimacy, emotional intimacy to a large extent, even spiritual intimacy and some comfort in each other's physical presence but 'physical intimacy' plays a major role in the "security" quotient felt by spouses. Why is touch called the language of love? It is because it actually is. It is the 'ultimate intimacy' that is a must in marriage for it to actually survive the ups and downs. It is that intimacy that you don't share with anyone else because it strengthens all other intimacies - emotional, spiritual and so on... because the distance that lack of physical intimacy brings is a big factor for insecurity in a marriage. Even though there can be fierce emotional intimacy, without the physical manifestation of love, it lacks the 'reassurance' that one needs of being understood, loved, cared for and feel important. As many have mentioned in other discussions, sometimes couples just end a fight because one of them pulls the other in a hug or a kiss and it all melts away -- most of the times you don't even remember why you started a silly argument. In their case, they immediately disconnect at all levels in case of a disagreement and the conflict does not end.

It goes for both of them, not just a man. So, every time they have an intellectual disagreement, their thoughts are flooded with the negative emotions attached to their 'deal, distance, umeed, vaada' rants and lack of physical contact immediately comes into the picture even if not verbally stated. Sai's declaration of war on Virat is as disturbing as his silence to Sonali's crass comment. Both of them don't mean it that way but to Sai his silence is a trigger and reminder of her "place" in his life: "He will only do what family/vahini say. So once again he's crossed over to their side because his sense of judgement is so clouded." And, her impulsive reaction and almost obstinate nature make him feel slighted because "I mean nothing to her, what I am saying means nothing to her. She doesn't see".


@bold: I think you've raised valid points. I don't think he's imbibing them from only the father but from the entire family -- the way it functions/mis-functions/dys-functions... What has he grown up seeing? Everyone must follow Bhavani. Obviously he has never stood up for anyone or even himself until Sai came along. As we have discussed earlier, suddenly, he has found a reason to rebel in ways his family doesn't like. He is not yet an "absolute" rebel because he tries to strike balance but he carries the knowledge that his marriage in itself is a "big revolt" for the family. So, there are times when he wants Sai to fall in the line because to him this marriage is not something he can give up under pressure -- he won't. He bursts out at her because to him she's the only one who brings out his vulnerability. Yes, people who bottle up their feelings do explode -- in unexpected ways. Also, they are bottled up not only with negative emotions but also with positive emotions -- because they don't connect with most people beyond the surface level in the toxic environment, they are also not "as good" as they can be... being sacrificial is not the same thing as showing your "good side". (Do I make sense?) So there comes along one person (mostly spouse) who becomes the world where you can show your good side and bad side to this person and obviously the expectation that the person will read your mood, your reasons to react the way you do... So when this person cannot understand what you are expecting, reactions can be extreme and almost thoughtless. It is not by malice or intention that he held her hand to stop her -- it happened in a moment of uncontrolled rage. He did not have any explanation or excuse at the end of it and he had to say "I don't know why I was so angry"... but somehow when you have been a sacrificial lamb and you find a reason to become selfish, you do become selfish. He doesn't want fingers to be raised at his marriage and he absolutely hates confrontations with people who are not on the same wavelength as him -- that is an established trait now. So, his best option is to try to get Sai to fall in line-- pyaar se, daant se, gusse se... because at the end of the day, he thinks she will be the easier one to mollify in the confine of their room.

But unfortunately, they are not "man and wife" yet so it is unfair to expect that kind of understanding from her when she's facing literal abuse day in and day out (sometimes bringing it upon herself).

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Thank you for your post! I haven't watched since yesterday😎. Your posts give me a clear picture of the episode and the probable thought behind it. Khoob aabhaar!

I don't trust the creatives too much with this track. They have so much to show, they're refusing to budge beyond CN.. that too the zillat arena!

Like you said, if they use this time fruitfully to explore the past, the current machinations, if they unravel the knots, using as much drama as they normally do, they have an interesting track on hand.

I hope Neil recovers well and the other cast are all negative.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

I agree with you so there is nothing much to add apart from the below observation.

I am sure I am in the minority when I say Sai gives Hyena gang an opportunity to instigate Virat against her. In today's episode, she openly declared she doesn't trust Virat’s investigation. She could have worded better and could have said she feels he is misled but in her impulsiveness, she fails to put a united front and her words come out as accusing or not trusting Virat. He was the same Virat who stood up for her when she bought Pulkit home and defended her till the last minute when everyone pointed fingers at her. She could give him some benefit of the doubt. This gives Pakhi a chance to prove that Sai doesn't trust Virat enough. If we look at all the Sairat’s fights this one thing bothers him the most and Pakhi never fails to state this.


Sai doesn't have enough proofs to believe Pulkit. There could be a chance that it was she who was misled. The form that pulkit showed her could have been a false one. Pulkit believed Devi was married to someone else but he calls Devi as his wife in legal forms. Where is the logic? If Devkit is legally married he could have shown their marriage certificate to Virat when he knew about the fake letter.


Regarding pati Patni, she was the one who revealed about their deal marriage and questions his relationship with Pakhi but I am sorry to say but she uses husband and wife when it favors her . I am happy when she says that to Pakhi but i feel she conveniently forgets they are husband and wife when Virat doesn't agree with her opinions. If they are truly husband and wife like she claims she would have tried to understand what made him go against this marriage and tried to clear the misunderstandings but instead she declares the war against him without having enough proof


I am not saying Virat is right but he gets called for his foolishness but Sai gets away easily.

Nitu, I almost agree with you on everything including the fact that Sai really gave it away to the Makad Sena to pounce on her today -- in fact throughout this track (blame it on loose writing, i say the umpteenth time). It was totally out of character for her (or any female TV protagonist) to not become Miss Marple and dig out the truth. She's just being foolish trying to make people believe what she believes in. Her, "Maine photo kyun nahi li" was added to justify the loose plot but it still is loose. The girl who had the sense to take a picture of the medicine to show it to Pulkit, who plotted Amey's takedown when she knew Shivani had no proof of her innocence, doesn't think it was necessary to take a picture of that record book? Imagine what a predicament it would have been if she had also got the picture like Virat... and it would have actually added some excitement to the foolish track. I have been saying from the first episode where she decides to go all alone in this that she's being impulsive. And even if she did go alone, what did she achieve. She doesn't even know for sure who is Harini... even now, she's not asking Pulkit to show any proofs of the actual wedding but is pledging that she will make the marriage happen. Why can't Pulkit actually be a fraud at this point? The concern Virat (not the lying family) has is not misplaced, even if I am supposed to digest his pea-brained investigation that even a head constable of a police station would do a better job at.

I am totally disappointed with Pulkit. I remember that in one of the posts a few weeks back made by someone, I had mentioned how I would choose Pulkit over Virat as a man of words -- he actually tried to get his love but he was overpowered and defeated. But his conduct now is utterly disgusting. He doesn't feel the need or urgency to get things sorted. He is not coming forth to talk and tell the story - what is there to hide. If Harini is 2010 born, she is almost 9 as per their timeline. Would she suddenly accept a "mother" she has never known? Would Devyani believe it is her daughter? (Makers DNA test toh karwane se rahe)... Does he not have even a photograph of their wedding? Why didn't they register their marriage? Obviously there is no proof except his assurance. So, I am finding it totally out of character for both Sai and Virat to be so blase slipshod about this entire affair. The man, who didn't leave the side of an unknown girl in a hospital despite having the power to ensure she's fine just because her father was called Samrat, doesn't even want to hear what his victimised sister has gone through!??? Sai, the Miss Marple, is just obstinate about marrying off Devyani but what if some of the claims are right for once? She needs to think...


But I don't really agree with the pati patni part. What you say is true but what I disagree with it that she's not the only one using it as per "convenience". He's equally responsible for it. In the confines of their room (when Vahini is not around), he will ask her things as a "husband"... mujhse pyaar karti ho? Mujhe Sir kyun bulati ho? Mere saath dinner karo...etc... but he has not actually acknowledged it as vehemently in public that "She is my wife", except that one moment when he was being questioned about taking her to Ladakh. He just said, "She's my wife and what's wrong if she's coming?" The "outrage" he should show towards the treatment that his 'wife' gets is absolutely missing. Even today, his silence was even worse than what Sonali said. Ashwini spoke but not Virat. So it also applies to him that when he sees her being obstinate (which is her temperament anyway), he also conveniently forgets that he's trying to get her to come closer. How will she come closer when he does not protect her honour in a moment that she is left tongue-tied? Instead, he throws her to the dogs and allows every single unworthy member of the clan to speak in whatever tone and words their voice box allows...

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Roch

Sorry thoda lamba hogaya.


Saying sorry for lamba ho gaya is not allowed 😆 Toh main kya karun? Arrest ho jaun? 😆

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


Saying sorry for lamba ho gaya is not allowed 😆 Toh main kya karun? Arrest ho jaun? 😆


Kisse bole aapko arrest karne, hamare ek number ke ullu Chavan saheb ko?

Main phirse poochti hoon, main ye serial dekh kyun rahi hoon, please bataooooooo😭

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Nitu, I almost agree with you on everything including the fact that Sai really gave it away to the Makad Sena to pounce on her today -- in fact throughout this track (blame it on loose writing, i say the umpteenth time). It was totally out of character for her (or any female TV protagonist) to not become Miss Marple and dig out the truth. She's just being foolish trying to make people believe what she believes in. Her, "Maine photo kyun nahi li" was added to justify the loose plot but it still is loose. The girl who had the sense to take a picture of the medicine to show it to Pulkit, who plotted Amey's takedown when she knew Shivani had no proof of her innocence, doesn't think it was necessary to take a picture of that record book? Imagine what a predicament it would have been if she had also got the picture like Virat... and it would have actually added some excitement to the foolish track. I have been saying from the first episode where she decides to go all alone in this that she's being impulsive. And even if she did go alone, what did she achieve. She doesn't even know for sure who is Harini... even now, she's not asking Pulkit to show any proofs of the actual wedding but is pledging that she will make the marriage happen. Why can't Pulkit actually be a fraud at this point? The concern Virat (not the lying family) has is not misplaced, even if I am supposed to digest his pea-brained investigation that even a head constable of a police station would do a better job at.

I am totally disappointed with Pulkit. I remember that in one of the posts a few weeks back made by someone, I had mentioned how I would choose Pulkit over Virat as a man of words -- he actually tried to get his love but he was overpowered and defeated. But his conduct now is utterly disgusting. He doesn't feel the need or urgency to get things sorted. He is not coming forth to talk and tell the story - what is there to hide. If Harini is 2010 born, she is almost 9 as per their timeline. Would she suddenly accept a "mother" she has never known? Would Devyani believe it is her daughter? (Makers DNA test toh karwane se rahe)... Does he not have even a photograph of their wedding? Why didn't they register their marriage? Obviously there is no proof except his assurance. So, I am finding it totally out of character for both Sai and Virat to be so blase slipshod about this entire affair. The man, who didn't leave the side of an unknown girl in a hospital despite having the power to ensure she's fine just because her father was called Samrat, doesn't even want to hear what his victimised sister has gone through!??? Sai, the Miss Marple, is just obstinate about marrying off Devyani but what if some of the claims are right for once? She needs to think...


But I don't really agree with the pati patni part. What you say is true but what I disagree with it that she's not the only one using it as per "convenience". He's equally responsible for it. In the confines of their room (when Vahini is not around), he will ask her things as a "husband"... mujhse pyaar karti ho? Mujhe Sir kyun bulati ho? Mere saath dinner karo...etc... but he has not actually acknowledged it as vehemently in public that "She is my wife", except that one moment when he was being questioned about taking her to Ladakh. He just said, "She's my wife and what's wrong if she's coming?" The "outrage" he should show towards the treatment that his 'wife' gets is absolutely missing. Even today, his silence was even worse than what Sonali said. Ashwini spoke but not Virat. So it also applies to him that when he sees her being obstinate (which is her temperament anyway), he also conveniently forgets that he's trying to get her to come closer. How will she come closer when he does not protect her honour in a moment that she is left tongue-tied? Instead, he throws her to the dogs and allows every single unworthy member of the clan to speak in whatever tone and words their voice box allows...

I so agree with you in this.. Its also being used by Virat as per his convenience..He certainly has not clarified/conveyed to the family and Patralekha yet that Sai is not just his responsibility.. In the confines of his room he does not like to talk about the deal and wants words of love..But when the family keeps bringing his zimmedaari.. his sacrifice...just like how Patralekha mentioned in today's episode he stays mum... Yes she was tongue tied..she was not expecting that jibe from Sonali.... Atleast at that moment he could have asked them to not talk that way.. just one line.. Even in the episode where they wanted Sai to be out of the house..he said Sai meri patni hai meri zimmedari hai and main apni zimmedari se muh nahi modta.. I would not liked to be talked about when my in-laws are asking me to get out by my husband.. Even though this time he meant different..for Patralekha and Virat it still seemed like a duty he is extremely serious about...just like he was serious about going to GC leaving his brother's marriage for his duty..

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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Nitu, I almost agree with you on everything including the fact that Sai really gave it away to the Makad Sena to pounce on her today -- in fact throughout this track (blame it on loose writing, i say the umpteenth time). It was totally out of character for her (or any female TV protagonist) to not become Miss Marple and dig out the truth. She's just being foolish trying to make people believe what she believes in. Her, "Maine photo kyun nahi li" was added to justify the loose plot but it still is loose. The girl who had the sense to take a picture of the medicine to show it to Pulkit, who plotted Amey's takedown when she knew Shivani had no proof of her innocence, doesn't think it was necessary to take a picture of that record book? Imagine what a predicament it would have been if she had also got the picture like Virat... and it would have actually added some excitement to the foolish track. I have been saying from the first episode where she decides to go all alone in this that she's being impulsive. And even if she did go alone, what did she achieve. She doesn't even know for sure who is Harini... even now, she's not asking Pulkit to show any proofs of the actual wedding but is pledging that she will make the marriage happen. Why can't Pulkit actually be a fraud at this point? The concern Virat (not the lying family) has is not misplaced, even if I am supposed to digest his pea-brained investigation that even a head constable of a police station would do a better job at.

I am totally disappointed with Pulkit. I remember that in one of the posts a few weeks back made by someone, I had mentioned how I would choose Pulkit over Virat as a man of words -- he actually tried to get his love but he was overpowered and defeated. But his conduct now is utterly disgusting. He doesn't feel the need or urgency to get things sorted. He is not coming forth to talk and tell the story - what is there to hide. If Harini is 2010 born, she is almost 9 as per their timeline. Would she suddenly accept a "mother" she has never known? Would Devyani believe it is her daughter? (Makers DNA test toh karwane se rahe)... Does he not have even a photograph of their wedding? Why didn't they register their marriage? Obviously there is no proof except his assurance. So, I am finding it totally out of character for both Sai and Virat to be so blase slipshod about this entire affair. The man, who didn't leave the side of an unknown girl in a hospital despite having the power to ensure she's fine just because her father was called Samrat, doesn't even want to hear what his victimised sister has gone through!??? Sai, the Miss Marple, is just obstinate about marrying off Devyani but what if some of the claims are right for once? She needs to think...


But I don't really agree with the pati patni part. What you say is true but what I disagree with it that she's not the only one using it as per "convenience". He's equally responsible for it. In the confines of their room (when Vahini is not around), he will ask her things as a "husband"... mujhse pyaar karti ho? Mujhe Sir kyun bulati ho? Mere saath dinner karo...etc... but he has not actually acknowledged it as vehemently in public that "She is my wife", except that one moment when he was being questioned about taking her to Ladakh. He just said, "She's my wife and what's wrong if she's coming?" The "outrage" he should show towards the treatment that his 'wife' gets is absolutely missing. Even today, his silence was even worse than what Sonali said. Ashwini spoke but not Virat. So it also applies to him that when he sees her being obstinate (which is her temperament anyway), he also conveniently forgets that he's trying to get her to come closer. How will she come closer when he does not protect her honour in a moment that she is left tongue-tied? Instead, he throws her to the dogs and allows every single unworthy member of the clan to speak in whatever tone and words their voice box allows...

I think in Amey's track or even while getting that picture of the medicines it was established she is doing it alone and not a team work.. This time she believed that even Virat is going to get the same proofs.. So she was some what not that conscious on keeping a copy of proofs.. or being completely prepared on her own.. She was a bit light on that part because she taught she was being backed by Virat.. That look she gave Virat when he enters.. was of an expected assurance of his belief in Pulkit that she would get any moment.. She did not in her dreams think that he would be getting a different set of evidences pointing otherwise..

Its like when I am stepping out alone, I make sure I take my purse and my mobile and when I am accompanied by my mom.. I tend to forget at times.. because there is sense of reliability I have in them..


I could be wrong in my analysis..But then it did come to me that way when you mentioned about her being so fully prepared in the past..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

I so agree with you in this.. Its also being used by Virat as per his convenience..He certainly has not clarified/conveyed to the family and Patralekha yet that Sai is not just his responsibility.. In the confines of his room he does not like to talk about the deal and wants words of love..But when the family keeps bringing his zimmedaari.. his sacrifice...just like how Patralekha mentioned in today's episode he stays mum... Yes she was tongue tied..she was not expecting that jibe from Sonali.... Atleast at that moment he could have asked them to not talk that way.. just one line.. Even in the episode where they wanted Sai to be out of the house..he said Sai meri patni hai meri zimmedari hai and main apni zimmedari se muh nahi modta.. I would not liked to be talked about when my in-laws are asking me to get out by my husband.. Even though this time he meant different..for Patralekha and Virat it still seemed like a duty he is extremely serious about...just like he was serious about going to GC leaving his brother's marriage for his duty..


He didn't use the Patni word. He said Maine Shaadi ki hai ye meri zimmedari hai. It was glaring that he didn't even call her 'wife' despite saying he would leave the house with her.

He uses "aapki bahu/Ghar ki bahu" but not 'meri patni'...

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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


He didn't use the Patni word. He said Maine Shaadi ki hai ye meri zimmedari hai. It was glaring that he didn't even call her 'wife' despite saying he would leave the house with her.

He uses "aapki bahu/Ghar ki bahu" but not 'meri patni'...

Yeah right..Sai has time and again called herself his patni while confronting/talking to the chavans.. infront of him or behind his back.. Ye saara pyaar saara attachment room mei hi dikhata..

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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

I think in Amey's track or even while getting that picture of the medicines it was established she is doing it alone and not a team work.. This time she believed that even Virat is going to get the same proofs.. So she was some what not that conscious on keeping a copy of proofs.. or being completely prepared on her own.. She was a bit light on that part because she taught she was being backed by Virat.. That look she gave Virat when he enters.. was of an expected assurance of his belief in Pulkit that she would get any moment.. She did not in her dreams think that he would be getting a different set of evidences pointing otherwise..

Its like when I am stepping out alone, I make sure I take my purse and my mobile and when I am accompanied by my mom.. I tend to forget at times.. because there is sense of reliability I have in them..


I could be wrong in my analysis..But then it did come to me that way when you mentioned about her being so fully prepared in the past..


No I don't agree with that. She was intending to tell Virat only after finding out herself. She did not tell him anything until Pulkit came home because okay she didn't even have the time that day to think but following that, there has been zero effort to find out herself or push Virat to find out anything even though she was the one who first had the thought that they would try to stall the wedding... Yet she remained unprepared (loose script, totally unlike Sai), and did not even insist on meeting Harini along with Virat when she told him about her... If it is supported to be taken at face value despite being such a useless track then it's right to say that Sai is also being foolish by snowing stubbornness in deciding what should be the fate of the daughter of the matriarch of the house without having any evidence. As she said herself, "sach saboot mangta hai" and "Kisi par Andha vishwas Nahi Karna Chahiye".. she's not following it.

(I repeat: am ashamed to say Virat is an IPS officer. He can't even be a state cadre constable at the moment)

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