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Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Very interesting topic discussed here, Radha prompting Krishna to save Yajnaseni in the royal court! What?

Draupadi was the mysterious, fiery yet compassionate queen of the five Pandava brothers, and is also considered as the sole reason behind the great Mahabharat war!! But as a woman with sacred and Divine powers, Draupadi symbolizes the binding of the five chakras in the human body!! She is thus referred to as Kula Kundalini, which is an unconquerable power by any mere human.

Rare in the culture of ancient times, Draupadi was a fearless woman. She demanded justice directly from Dhritarashtra, the king of Hastinapur when she was insulted. She, as Sairandhri, again demanded justice directly from king Virata when she was insulted by his brother-in-law Kichaka. She openly condemned those kings (Virata and Dhritarashtra) for failing to protect a woman. She even condemned great warriors such as Bhishma, Drona, Kripacharya, and her husbands for not saving her from the humiliation during the Cheer-Haran episode.

It is said that when Duryodhana and Dushasana subjected the Pandava princes' wife Draupadi to an attempt at disrobing her, she prayed to her Sakha, her brother Krishna. Then Krishna sent immeasurable reams of cloth to keep Draupadi covered, thus defeating the evil and nefarious designs of the Kaurava princes.

There are many reasons for Krishna's divine intervention.

And there are other stories too to prove the good nature of Samrajni Draupadi!

According to Vyasa's description in Mahabharata, it's Draupadi's Dharma that saved her from the shame of being disrobed?!!

In Shiva Purana, it's stated that sage Durvasa gave a boon to Draupadi that saved her from being disrobed?!! Durvasa never had a history of saving someone, but it was mentioned in Shiv Purana that he pleased for the help of Panchali and blessed her with a boon!

Two different stories are in vogue. One - once while Sage Durvasa was taking bath in the river Ganga, his garment was washed away and, Draupadi who was there, then tore a portion of her clothing and gave that to him. Durvasa then blessed her that in critical times this generous act would come to her rescue.

Another - During Sri Krishna's visit to Indraprastha, He injured his fingers. She tore a piece from her upper cloth and tied that to Sri Krishna's finger to arrest the flow of blood. In return for that virtuous act, she was saved from humiliation.

Mahabharata does not call Krishna Draupadi's brother, just friend.

Also, Krishna doesn't save Draupadi in Mahabharata. She saves herself. Krishna didn't even know what was going on as he was fending off an attack by Salwa. This is said by Krishna himself in Kamyaka vana. Draupadi also tears a strip off Krishna for not being there when she needed him.

The Krishna injury story is folktale.

I've heard about Durvasa river tale, but as Krishna.

Southern recension says women saved her. By that, I take Kunti and Subhadra did since Kaurava women cared nothing for Draupadi.

I read the summary of the episode. Swastik made it pure sexual assault. Cheer haran was that but also more. It was a POLITICAL assault. Draupadi was the finance minister of Indraprastha. She was a princess of Panchal, a major power. The empire couldn't be won without defeating her, but she refused to admit she was enslaved. As long as she remained free, she was a threat.

The makers gave Karna's order to strip Draupadi's clothes to Suyodhana. I don't know if they mentioned Karna's orders for her to choose a man to have sex with or the command to take her to the house for (sex) slaves. Regardless, these weren't idiot men. They weren't about to piss off Panchal without a very good reason. Cheer haran was sexual assault used as political weapon.

Not only that, Swastik took away Draupadi's triumph, her arguments against a king who lost control of himself, her exquisite knowledge of the duties of the elite. The production house reduced her to Pandavas' squeeze, begging the men for help. They never showed her lecturing Krishna on the dharma of kshatriyas, on justice. Because how can a woman lecture a man? #eyeroll How can Draupadi possibly be quite self-aware without Krishna telling her what to do? #doubleeyeroll Disgusting display of patriarchy, portrayed as feminism.

Well... well, well said, agreed with your every point.

The Mahabharata is considered to be an authority in matters of State, government, polity, and philosophy. Even though it was written centuries ago, the political conflicts described therein resonate strongly with the events of today! There are numerous interpretations of the epic and the events that led to the Great War of Mahabharatha, but there is one particular incident that it is agreed proved to be the final blow in the rivalry between the Kauravas and the Pandavas -- the attempted disrobing of Draupadi.

When Draupadi protested against her disrobing by asking the Kauravas if it was Dharma to treat a woman in such a manner, Karna, a Kaurava ally, retorted that if a man loses himself in gambling, his master becomes the master of all his possessions, including his wife. He further told her that the ancient laws allowed a woman to go to only with four men with her husband's permission. Since Draupadi had been with five men, he said, she was a whore and public property, according to law. Hence, her disrobing was justified as it fell well within the bounds of law-- said by Karna!!

There is no shortage of dilemmas in the Mahābhārata, however, one exceptional dilemma remains unresolved, a question unanswered even today. Did Yudhiṣṭhira have the right to stake Draupadī in the “friendly" game of dice after he had lost himself? And was she, therefore, slave to the Kauravas? No one resolved this dilemma presented in the earliest instance of the dice game!

Criticism of Yudhiṣṭhira’s addiction, the silence or equivocation of the Kuru elders in the sabha and the inaction of Draupadī’s husbands at her ill-treatment causes indignation, but the censure is barely commensurate with the burden of guilt they might bear.

What factors facilitated the staking of Draupadī, her proposed slave status, and subsequent mistreatment? Namely, Yudhiṣṭhira’s failure as a husband, the inaction of the Kuru elders, the impotence of her husbands and the absence of Kṛṣṇa and Vyāsa from the scene.

Draupadī posed the ultimate dharmasaṅkaṭa issuing from the treatment of a lawfully wedded wife. Yudhiṣṭhira—authority on dhārma, son of Dharma—responds to his wife’s question in the gambling hall with catatonic silence. He says nothing, good or bad!!!

Once she is lost in the game of dice , Duryodhana immediately asks for her to be brought and wishes her to be with the serving girls and sweep the chamber.

Her first reaction is disbelief that her husband, a king no less, can stake his wife and she says Yudhiṣṭhira must have been stupefied in his intoxication for the game

Ancient Indian literature, epics especially, abound with karmic consequences to explain the inexplicable. Sometimes, events are a result of actions from a previous birth, and sometimes in this very birth, but unknown to the protagonist or observer. Often, it is the curse of an irate sage.

The entire Mahabharaths is a political commentary on Kings and their ambitions, Kingdoms and boundaries, women as a showpiece, or a thing worth only to gamble, or a slave to use for fulfilling the lust, or property to be won through a war!!

Panchali waged a war on such atrocious outlook and tried her best to stand tall amidst this male unconquerable ego!

I did watch Sept 23 episode. Swastik does use the line about foolish men blaming destiny for their foolishness with re: Yudhishtira. Draupadi actually said it, but in the show, Krishna says it.

No matter. It needed to be said, so thank God for that.

Vyasa's Draupadi was actually a very logical woman who was extremely aware of her duties to the citizenry. She didn't go on exile because of pativratha dharm or whatever. She went because she was part of the exile contract.

Why is the serial running so fast? Is it going to get over,?

They could have shown at least krishna going to Vidur's chamber for lunch.....!!

Originally posted by: Kridhnaaradhika

Why is the serial running so fast? Is it going to get over,?

They could have shown at least krishna going to Vidur's chamber for lunch.....!!

No it won't end

Is bhanu samba and Anirudh s entry confirmed?? Will they show suthanu since they are showing bhanu??

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I don't believe in avatars and stuff. Nor do I want people punished for being stupid.

But I do believe in karma. What good or harm we do eventually comes back to us. It will do Swastik as well.

Yes Swastik will have to face the consequences of their actions

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Well... well, well said, agreed with your every point.

The Mahabharata is considered to be an authority in matters of State, government, polity, and philosophy. Even though it was written centuries ago, the political conflicts described therein resonate strongly with the events of today! There are numerous interpretations of the epic and the events that led to the Great War of Mahabharatha, but there is one particular incident that it is agreed proved to be the final blow in the rivalry between the Kauravas and the Pandavas -- the attempted disrobing of Draupadi.

When Draupadi protested against her disrobing by asking the Kauravas if it was Dharma to treat a woman in such a manner, Karna, a Kaurava ally, retorted that if a man loses himself in gambling, his master becomes the master of all his possessions, including his wife. He further told her that the ancient laws allowed a woman to go to only with four men with her husband's permission. Since Draupadi had been with five men, he said, she was a whore and public property, according to law. Hence, her disrobing was justified as it fell well within the bounds of law-- said by Karna!!

There is no shortage of dilemmas in the Mahābhārata, however, one exceptional dilemma remains unresolved, a question unanswered even today. Did Yudhiṣṭhira have the right to stake Draupadī in the “friendly" game of dice after he had lost himself? And was she, therefore, slave to the Kauravas? No one resolved this dilemma presented in the earliest instance of the dice game!

Criticism of Yudhiṣṭhira’s addiction, the silence or equivocation of the Kuru elders in the sabha and the inaction of Draupadī’s husbands at her ill-treatment causes indignation, but the censure is barely commensurate with the burden of guilt they might bear.

What factors facilitated the staking of Draupadī, her proposed slave status, and subsequent mistreatment? Namely, Yudhiṣṭhira’s failure as a husband, the inaction of the Kuru elders, the impotence of her husbands and the absence of Kṛṣṇa and Vyāsa from the scene.

Draupadī posed the ultimate dharmasaṅkaṭa issuing from the treatment of a lawfully wedded wife. Yudhiṣṭhira—authority on dhārma, son of Dharma—responds to his wife’s question in the gambling hall with catatonic silence. He says nothing, good or bad!!!

Once she is lost in the game of dice , Duryodhana immediately asks for her to be brought and wishes her to be with the serving girls and sweep the chamber.

Her first reaction is disbelief that her husband, a king no less, can stake his wife and she says Yudhiṣṭhira must have been stupefied in his intoxication for the game

Ancient Indian literature, epics especially, abound with karmic consequences to explain the inexplicable. Sometimes, events are a result of actions from a previous birth, and sometimes in this very birth, but unknown to the protagonist or observer. Often, it is the curse of an irate sage.

The entire Mahabharaths is a political commentary on Kings and their ambitions, Kingdoms and boundaries, women as a showpiece, or a thing worth only to gamble, or a slave to use for fulfilling the lust, or property to be won through a war!!

Panchali waged a war on such atrocious outlook and tried her best to stand tall amidst this male unconquerable ego!

This is the exact point I always try to emphasize. Draupadi was way way ahead of everyone in her thinking. Draupadi was by no mean an ordinary meek woman. To turn her into an abla naari was like the most annoying thing ever. Draupadi waged a war and demanded to have justice for what was done to her. Don't cover that up.

I can understand that people think Krishna is all the great savior and all but just don't down play everything that Draupadi had achieved in Mahabharat. As if she didn't have enough problems in her life that now they doing this injustice to her.

Like honestly, none of her achievements are shown properly at all. To think that everyone believes this is exactly Mahabharat is makes me severely annoyed. The big problem is that people who don't read the text see these kind of shows and believe it completely.

If Draupadi was shown exactly as she was in Mahabharat, she is going to be one of the greatest idol for women. Especially now when it is so badly needed.

I love how Krishna is and he's one of my favourites but I don't like how they shadow Draupadi to make him seem the greatest.

None of the shows on Mahabharat show exactly how Karna humiliated Draupadi in the cheer-haran episode. Why are they white washing him?

Originally posted by: AliChase

This is the exact point I always try to emphasize. Draupadi was way way ahead of everyone in her thinking. Draupadi was by no mean an ordinary meek woman. To turn her into an abla naari was like the most annoying thing ever. Draupadi waged a war and demanded to have justice for what was done to her. Don't cover that up.

I can understand that people think Krishna is all the great savior and all but just don't down play everything that Draupadi had achieved in Mahabharat. As if she didn't have enough problems in her life that now they doing this injustice to her.

Like honestly, none of her achievements are shown properly at all. To think that everyone believes this is exactly Mahabharat is makes me severely annoyed. The big problem is that people who don't read the text see these kind of shows and believe it completely.

If Draupadi was shown exactly as she was in Mahabharat, she is going to be one of the greatest idol for women. Especially now when it is so badly needed.

I love how Krishna is and he's one of my favourites but I don't like how they shadow Draupadi to make him seem the greatest.

None of the shows on Mahabharat show exactly how Karna humiliated Draupadi in the cheer-haran episode. Why are they white washing him?

This is not the only reason she waged war. She herself talks again and again about the duty of the powerful elite to make sure justice is served. She saw herself as part of that elite with the same duty to protect the weak. When that argument didn't work on the selfish lot, she used the victim argument. Ex: 1) her talk with Yudhishtira in beginning of Vana Parva 2) after Jayadratha 3) Keechaka incident with Virat and Bheema 4) Krishna (twice).

Plus, Krishna didn't do any saving in 1) dice hall where her own dharma saved her 2) Durvasa incident (not in canon MBh) 3) or Keechaka (she herself manipulated Bheema magnificently into killing Keechaka and Upakeechakas).

Also, she was the friggin finance minister of the empire and the citizen liaison! Vyasa has given incredible descriptions of how prosperous the place was. Yudhishtira, Vidura, and Suyodhana have acknowledged what she did in the empire in addition to Panchali herself listing her duties.

She was so practical that Yudhishtira once called her an atheist. 😆

That awesome force was reduced to an abla naari by Swastik's gang of clowns in not one but THREE shows! A generation is now under the impression she was nothing but Aryavarta Barbie, waiting for Krishna's help.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

This is not the only reason she waged war. She herself talks again and again about the duty of the powerful elite to make sure justice is served. She saw herself as part of that elite with the same duty to protect the weak. When that argument didn't work on the selfish lot, she used the victim argument. Ex: 1) her talk with Yudhishtira in beginning of Vana Parva 2) after Jayadratha 3) Keechaka incident with Virat and Bheema 4) Krishna (twice).

Plus, Krishna didn't do any saving in 1) dice hall where her own dharma saved her 2) Durvasa incident (not in canon MBh) 3) or Keechaka (she herself manipulated Bheema magnificently into killing Keechaka and Upakeechakas).

Also, she was the friggin finance minister of the empire and the citizen liaison! Vyasa has given incredible descriptions of how prosperous the place was. Yudhishtira, Vidura, and Suyodhana have acknowledged what she did in the empire in addition to Panchali herself listing her duties.

She was so practical that Yudhishtira once called her an atheist. 😆

That awesome force was reduced to an abla naari by Swastik's gang of clowns in not one but THREE shows! A generation is now under the impression she was nothing but Aryavarta Barbie, waiting for Krishna's help.

Agreed. There are several things about Draupadi that most people don't know. I know so many of my friends don't like mahabharat considering all they know about it is from these TV shows. As long as they make it from simply religious perspective, they can't do justice to the characters.

I have no hopes because it is impossible for anyone to show the exact Mahabharat that Ved Vyasa created without it hurting all these religious extremists. They can't digest the fact that a woman can be that great in the epics. They only want able naari who will be saved by the Gods and her pati vrata and stuff.