Drapaudi and drishtdyum - Page 6

OMG lot of confusion and great debate. However if you ask me there are a few pointers

1) People do believe in miracles but only if it happened ages back, not if it happened now, for example if I say Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice his son, majority will believe, but if I say the same about my neighbor, they will consider him to hallucinating and a threat for the society.

Same thing would have happened back then as well. Divine birth theory might be making us bow to the Pandavas but back then Duryodhan took it as an opportunity to mock on it. Kunti decided to hide her pregnancy with a Kaneen child despite it being a divine child, because even she knew that people won't buy this theory. I therefore feel that Yagya kund se nikle bachhe wouldn't have been belief then

I personally feel that the proper adoption technique in those days was something to do with the fire. Maybe any oath on fire etc. which would seal the relation between the parents n the kids or anything of similar sort. Such children would have been called the kids of Yagya Kund, since they became the kids only after the oath of Yagya Kund. I am into this theory because there have been many kids mentioned as arising from Yagya Kund the most important excluding the Draupadi Dhristdhyumn twin being the Ila who originally was the Yagya Vedi se nikli daughter of Manu but later became one of his wives

Rest about biological parents what you are saying seems pretty valid. But then as CS mentioned who was dad on whose lap Draupadi spent her time in childhood. Secondly Draupadi herself was very learned girl, how did she get that knowledge if she was adopted as adult and her parents were not so rich

@FP

Father whose lap she was on could've been her bio OR adopted father.

If she were an Angirasa, she'd have been taught, rich or poor. Most of the rishis taught their own children. Ghora also taught Krishna.

One thing I learned recently: for a girl to be called kumari, she needed to be at least 13. Plus, Dhrishtadyumna was fully trained. Another consideration is her "past birth" story from southern recension: as Nalayani married to Maudgalya. If we take it as her life prior to adoption, she might have been old enough to be married and widowed. 16 to 17 ish, I'd say by marriage since it seems to have been a Vedic requirement to have 3 years from menarche before marriage. A year or so to marriage ending (maybe sage died), adoption, and swayamvar. So 18ish when she met Pandavas.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Pandavas were born through niyog. I don't buy that durvasa boon Theory.

Other possibility: the Pandavas were genetically sons of Pandu, and Karna was born to Kunti via Durvasa: he probably was the one who impregnated her and then happily went away, and she had to do damage control later to salvage her chances of getting married

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Other possibility: the Pandavas were genetically sons of Pandu, and Karna was born to Kunti via Durvasa: he probably was the one who impregnated her and then happily went away, and she had to do damage control later to salvage her chances of getting married

Yes but if they are pandu s biological kids then why that durvasa boon Theory?? And the curse??? And wht did pandu retire to forest ?? They could have told that they are pandu s kids no need of this god s kid theory

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Yes but if they are pandu s biological kids then why that durvasa boon Theory?? And the curse??? And wht did pandu retire to forest ?? They could have told that they are pandu s kids no need of this god s kid theory

It's the Pandava theory from the same prof I mentioned above. I disagree with it for a number of reasons.

As @FP said, the world in OUR time and space reveres Pandavas for their "divine" birth. It is highly unlikely such was the case contemporaneously.

When Dhritharashtra had bio sons, Pandu would've WANTED to claim the 5 boys as his bio sons if only because it would bolster their claims to inheritance. Recall that out of the various types of progeny he lists, bio did come first.

Most men in their right mind wouldn't want it known they couldn't procreate if they actually could. Heck, even the ones who couldn't put out other stories like accidentally killing rishi-deer. Which brings the question: why so many niyog stories/adoption stories in the old days? Did the royal clans of Aryavarta have some genetic propensity to low sperm count or something? After all, they inbred quite a bit and could've spread the problem throughout the royal households of the land similar to the European kings and hemophilia.

Most men wouldn't want it put about their wives slept with other men to have children.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Other possibility: the Pandavas were genetically sons of Pandu, and Karna was born to Kunti via Durvasa: he probably was the one who impregnated her and then happily went away, and she had to do damage control later to salvage her chances of getting married

Pandu definitely would not have been capable of child birth else they wouldn't have made such story I think

Durwasa I agree on that point

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Yes but if they are pandu s biological kids then why that durvasa boon Theory?? And the curse??? And wht did pandu retire to forest ?? They could have told that they are pandu s kids no need of this god s kid theory

I don't think they were Pandu's children.

1. What is the need for a divine story then? He could simply call them his own

2. There was no need to go to forest.

I am convinced of the fact that all of the children were born via niyog, Yudhishthir by Vidur, Arjun by Shakra, Bheem by Vayu aka Shalya as HearMeRoar was stating the possibility of.

I think Yudhishthir and Arjun ones were pretty clear. Besides, if they are biologically Pandu's children why were they called Dharma putra, Vayuputra etc?