Drapaudi and drishtdyum - Page 2

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I am saying that there was no divinity involved neither in pandavas s birth nor drapaudi and drishtdyum s birth. They were conceived how normal babies are conceived. Pandavas were born by niyog maybe with sages like ved vyas in pandu s case . Though i doubt drapaudi and drishtdyum were drapaud s children if they were why this adoption theory. Born out of fire and stuff. Their past is another unsolved mystery of Mahabharata.

🙃 🙃

Am I not writing it properly?

Mahabharata is mythology, People worship Lord Krushna so divinity is involved in that sense, they added divinity to Pandava's birth too so how can they leave out female protagonist? Born out of fire is Draupadi's divine angle, It is as true and as untrue as Krushna and Pandava's divine angle

Why would Drupad adopt a woman? The theory says that he wanted a son to fight Pandavas, then there's no need to adopt Draupadi. I think they were twins and Draupadi's birth was normal

Originally posted by: proteeti

I personally believe they were both born of affairs within the castle but were still Drupad's kids. I guess he would have hushed up their natural birth for obvious reasons and continued to educate them behind closed doors.

Once it became clear they were in fact worthy of taking revenge/carrying an alliance, Drupad arranged this yagya thing and officiated their existence. 😳

Actually king in those days did had concubines and slave girls. Dritrashtra s son yutyutsu was born out of his one night stand with gandhari s maid so why will drapaud try to gude drapaudi drishtdyum s birth ??

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Actually king in those days did had concubines and slave girls. Dritrashtra s son yutyutsu was born out of his one night stand with gandhari s maid so why will drapaud try to gude drapaudi drishtdyum s birth ??

I don't know about that. Maybe he didn't hide, but also think, did many people know about Yuyutsu? The readers of MB do, because we are literally roaming about inside his home half the time. 😆

That fame that Arjun, or ever Duryodhana had, like pan-India: was Yuyutsu similarly famous?

I guess this is the same thing that happened with Drau and Dhrishty. To say they were divinely born was more likely to get both the kids into the "elite" chambers.

I mean, how much TRP would have Drau's swayamvar gotten if they said she was a dasi-putri and not agni-putri? Personally I believe shrouding them in divinity was effectively a publicity stunt to get the creme of the society to come to her swayamvar so that Drupad could forge the best of alliances through her. 🤔

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

How much time passed between war with drapaud and lakshagrah because pandavas heard about birth of drishtdyum and drapaudi while they were roaming in forest after lac house incident. So for how long were they roaming 18/19 years ???

Or were these two already born at the time of the war and their life only got a new purpose when drapaud swore vengeance ??

I think the latter. It is not possible for a grown up woman to be born out of fire, and adoption was an accepted practice. There's no reason for Drupad to say they were BORN and any sane individual seeing the incident from non divine eyes would know she can tapak out of agni 🤣

Now about the mathematics, well after lakshagriha they were roaming and this happened after the Hidimba Bheem marriage, no? I don't think that is a huge time gap, besides I feel Draupadi and Drisht were already born and Drupad maybe considered this yagya as something which could give his children a new life.

However if they WERE adopted which we cannot negate the possibility of, then the reason why their past is hidden could be because the story mainly focuses on kings and royal families and people who had something to do with their families. So most probably, Drupad didn't let people know or Vyasa only focused on Draupadi's life in relation to the Arya vrat kings 😆

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

@captainstark need for this fire born theory ?? That too specially for drapaudi and drishtdyum ? When drapaud dud had other normally born sons ??

I think because these two did seem more worthy and special than the rest. I am just not able to understand the logic behind adoption because I am sure he could have trained his children for revenge. Dhrist and Drau proved much better than others I guess, and maybe these rishis who are supposed to be divine did state that Drau would be the a pivotal element in this revenge. Now divinity is one thing and astrology another, and it's quite possible that Drupad or other kings would listen to sages or their astrological predictions.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🙃 🙃

Am I not writing it properly?

Mahabharata is mythology, People worship Lord Krushna so divinity is involved in that sense, they added divinity to Pandava's birth too so how can they leave out female protagonist? Born out of fire is Draupadi's divine angle, It is as true and as untrue as Krushna and Pandava's divine angle

Why would Drupad adopt a woman? The theory says that he wanted a son to fight Pandavas, then there's no need to adopt Draupadi. I think they were twins and Draupadi's birth was normal

I don't think Vyasa himself in narration added any divinity, these are later interpolations which have twisted the words in such a way that it looks divine. I do get your point though.

About adopting a woman- it must be because Dhristadyumn had a sister and whoever he adopted him from or found (like the case with Sita) had a daughter too so he could not take the son and abandon the daughter maybe.

Originally posted by: proteeti

I don't know about that. Maybe he didn't hide, but also think, did many people know about Yuyutsu? The readers of MB do, because we are literally roaming about inside his home half the time. 😆

That fame that Arjun, or ever Duryodhana had, like pan-India: was Yuyutsu similarly famous?

I guess this is the same thing that happened with Drau and Dhrishty. To say they were divinely born was more likely to get both the kids into the "elite" chambers.

I mean, how much TRP would have Drau's swayamvar gotten if they said she was a dasi-putri and not agni-putri? Personally I believe shrouding them in divinity was effectively a publicity stunt to get the creme of the society to come to her swayamvar so that Drupad could forge the best of alliances through her. 🤔

Maybe, but Yuyutsu does not have much footage because he didn't do much to get footage. Look at Vidur, he was a dasiputra as well and he has alot of footage! 😆

Also I find it hard to believe that Drupad was ao giving that he would give dasi putra and putri such footage despite having normal children from queens considering he wasn't even Willing to keep his promise to his friend. I mean just analysis of mindset. 😛

Okay I had read this article way before but I searched up again for this quote given here. Please read:

Link;, https://www.boloji.com/articles/16034/mahabharata-draupadi-birth-mystery-decoded

The obvious answer to this is quite evident to our Common Sense, and therefore, does not need explanation. My eight year old daughter watching Draupadi's birth in Mahabharata on Star Plus asked me, “how is this possible?” The problem is: many grown-ups suffering from Self-Delusion that they are Religious, never ask this question. By a peculiar logic – sort of Willing Suspension of Disbelief – they never ask, how, the Mahabharatan age could all of a sudden be an age when everything (read supernatural mumbo-jumbos) is possible!

The preceding age – the Vedic age – and even the Upanishadik age (preceding, contemporary and later) never speak of Birth-Myths or Physical Immortality etc.; in fact, the Rshis pray for 100 years of life, not more. Then, how could the Mahabharatan age explode all of a sudden when Supernatural Birth Myth, Physical Immortality etc are possible?

No Human Being can ever be born without biological process; therefore, Draupadi could not be born from Yajna-Agni (Sacrificial Fire). Yes, birth without Sex is possible nowadays, thanks to cloning technology etc and other technology … but even as yet, no human birth is possible without a Mother’s womb … natural or surrogate. Those who believe that Ancient Bharatvarsha had cloning technology etc or that test-tube baby was born in “Pot” (Drona-Kalasa) as in Drona-Acarya’s birth etc… with all due respect, that is simply child’s babble to me. Our country and nation has enough glory to feed the world for a lifetime; we need not to invent ideas like – Sab Vyaade Achhe (‘Everything is in Vedas’)

Again, birth as grown-up is impossible. Animals have that privilege, not Human Beings.

So, it is plain and simple that a fully grown Draupadi could not have been born from Yajna (Sacrifice) or Agni. That instigates the questions: why the Mythical Narrative then? Was Vyasa lying? Who was Draupadi's father? Who was her mother?

It is not that we do not have rational statements in parallel literature. However, there is a tendency to overlook them.

For example, Bhagavat Purana indeed gives a rational statement about Draupadi's birth:

drupadad Draupadi tasya dhrshtadyumnadayah sutah dhrshtadyumnad dhrshtaketur
bharmyah Panchalka ime (SB 9.22.3)

Translation:
“From Maharaja Drupada, Draupadi was born. Maharaja Drupada also had many sons, headed by Dhristadyumna. From Dhristadyumna came a son named Dhrshtaketu. All these personalities are known as descendants of Bharmyashva or as the dynasty of Panchal.”

Let us read the line again - “From Maharaja Drupada, Draupadi was born.” Plain enough! If Draupadi was born from Drupada’s seed (implied, but clear), she could not have been born from Yajna-Agni.

I will not discuss here parallel literature on Mahabharata-narrative, so let us back to Mahabharata, and to Mahabharatan Draupadi in particular.

I'll follow up more facts.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I think she was just born to Drupad normally from his fire of revenge. 😆

That would mean she was years younger to Arjun and Krishna, since they were all grown ups by that time of Drupad war

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Actually king in those days did had concubines and slave girls. Dritrashtra s son yutyutsu was born out of his one night stand with gandhari s maid so why will drapaud try to gude drapaudi drishtdyum s birth ??

If Pro's assumption is true then probably he had these kids not by Dasis but by some noble woman whom he either didn't marry or couldn't marry

One was allowed to have kids with Dasis but not by others