This is disrespectful to the Bhagwad Geeta - Page 3

Though I too personally don’t support the usage of Holy books in TV shows but that’s just my opinion. And other people might have different opinions. I think the writers thought that it adds essence to Maya’s present self.

But I truly don’t think that they meant to disrespect the Holy book in anyway. On the contrary, I think their work subtly shows how certain people tend to misinterpret the teachings of Holy books to justify their deeds, irrespective of being right or wrong. Maya probably tried to solve the problems the right way, but since MJ is such a powerful guy, it’s only typical that he might have shut all the doors of justice for her. And when all of her hopes were diminished, she decided to handle the matter on her own. I think Maya probably might have been in a really weak state of mind back then. And in such cases, people actually look for something to cling to. And for Maya it was probably the Holy book that she chose for inspiration and making herself strong for revenge and justice.

Originally posted by: -AnnieQueen-

Though I too personally don’t support the usage of Holy books in TV shows but that’s just my opinion. And other people might have different opinions. I think the writers thought that it adds essence to Maya’s present self.

But I truly don’t think that they meant to disrespect the Holy book in anyway. On the contrary, I think their work subtly shows how certain people tend to misinterpret the teachings of Holy books to justify their deeds, irrespective of being right or wrong. Maya probably tried to solve the problems the right way, but since MJ is such a powerful guy, it’s only typical that he might have shut all the doors of justice for her. And when all of her hopes were diminished, she decided to handle the matter on her own. I think Maya probably might have been in a really weak state of mind back then. And in such cases, people actually look for something to cling to. And for Maya it was probably the Holy book that she chose for inspiration and making herself strong for revenge and justice.

Completely agree with you. I've no problem with Maya taking the crooked path out of helplessness. But the CVs shouldn't have used a holy book to justify her wrong deeds.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

Based on what did you feel that I don't know that Maya is a 'grey' character? Don't be that naive, we all know she'll turn a full-fledged villain later though she may be in the grey zone now. There's something called common sense which in your case is not so common.

In your case, common sense would be waiting for the back story to unfold and see who did what before tagging Maya as a villian (even if it is for future). So unless you are a psychic, you don't know what route writers are going to take with Maya and other characters.

Yes, almost every character in Mahabharat is grey (except Vidura and a few others), everyone knows that. What makes you think I don't? You think I'm commenting without having read the Mahabharata? Seriously? 😂

Also, you need to gain a better understanding of the meaning of the word 'innocent'. When we use the term, 'innocents dying in a war', we do not include soldiers. We mean civilians who were bystanders and had nothing to do with the war. A soldier's casualty is not termed as 'innocents killed in a war', which you'll know if you start reading news and news-related articles.

Your knowledge about Mahabharata is really showing considering you don't remember the ghatotkacha, abhimanyu, Upapandavas etc.. even before the war started, barbarik was sacrificed so that war can happen. Regardless of the reasons, they all died due to the war. Also lets not forget this was the yug when people hardly broke out of the caste system and even if they did, their life was not easy. So all the soldiers who you don't deem as innocents probably chose to be in that war for their families as due to their caste they can't go for other professions. It was a war of one family which destroyed many other kingdoms as they had to participate due to political or marriage alliances. Hastinapur was considered a seriously powerful kingdom so a no would bring great consequences for many of those kingdoms.

Anyways, so far Krishna is concerned , he is God. His actions can't be measured on same standards as humans. He didn't do anything because he didn't have a choice or out of impulse. He knew past, present and future. So his actions are a different story altogether.

So you taking an offense regarding Maya using Gita and Mahabharata for her revenge makes no sense as people are free to perceive them as they want it and even some demons have been regarded as great devotees. In today's world millions of people lie after swearing on Gita for good or bad reasons. It all comes down to perception and it's just a fictional tv show.

Originally posted by: john909

You're completely wrong. There have been PLENTY of indications that Maya will be negative this season as well, see some pre-airing segments.

Your argument was "Soldiers could not afford not to fight because of caste"

Answer: No offence, but your knowledge of Indian history and mythology is quite wanting. There is no caste that requires its members to become soldiers compulsorily. The only exception might be Kshatriyas, but not every kshatriya was bound to become a soldier in those days. Also, most of the soldiers in those days were from lower castes, not kshatriyas which were the next highest caste after Brahmins. Again, like I said, soldiers are not included in civilian casualties of war. And Abhimanyu was a soldier.

About Barbareek, well he was killed because of a curse by Lord Brahma because he was an evil yaksha in previous birth. Please read up before making sweeping comments such as 'innocents were killed in the war'. Barbareek sacrificed himself WILLINGLY, also his death was INEVITABLE because of Brahma's curse.

Your second argument: Many kingdoms were coerced into fighting alongside Pandavas

The Pandavas all had WILLING allies, not coerced into supporting them. Can you give me ANY such example? You can't.

First of all I don't think its an insult to Gita! It's all about the perspective! Maya was innocent and got abused, harrassed and ill treated! She is just here for revenge!

Coming to mahabharat, its all about karma! In Ramayan, sugreev made lord Ram kill his(sugreev's) brother Vali! In mahabharat, Lord Ram returned as Krishna, Sugreev as karn & Vali as Arjun! Here Krishna made Arjun kill his brother Karn! Vali insulted Sugreev's wife in Ramayan & Karn insulted Arjun's wife in mahabharat! Its all about karma! No one is innocent! Everyone has their own story for such acts!

Coming to Maya, just like how Draupadi demanded Bheem to get Dushashan's blood to wash her hairs, Maya demands MJ to suffer for his karma!

Just because Maya is quoting Geeta doesn’t mean she is being justified. Her actions will be justified only if you choose to justify it which is what happened in season one too. Maya was wrong on almost all the occasions but fans somehow magically found a reason to justify her actions and their only excuse was Maya’s abusive childhood. In last two episodes we saw that even Antara had a hand in what happened with Maya. I am waiting to know the back story to see who all wronged her. But yes her targeting Rishi is wrong on all levels. I did read a couple of posts justifying it coz Rishi seems to be a flirt. That’s his shortcoming as a person and for that does he deserve to be harmed in Maya’s quest for revenge? She is toying with both the Roy brothers and it is wrong coz at the end one might be killed and one will be left heartbroken and nothing can justify this. If MJ has wronged her then only MJ should be punished and likewise the others who played a part in it. Rishi and Rudra are nowhere involved especially Rishi since he must have been a ten year old boy back then.

Back to the main topic - Mahabharata was one epic that had grey characters including the Pandavs who all sinned at one point in time and in the Great War they themselves committed a few crimes and killed innocent people too coz there were some good folks on the opposite side too. So my only question to u is do u think that was justified? Mahabharata is one such epic which can invoke long debates. So I don’t see how BH2 is demeaning Geeta because where war is concerned there is no right or wrong. It’s all about how u choose to perceive it.

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Just because Maya is quoting Geeta doesn’t mean she is being justified. Her actions will be justified only if you choose to justify it which is what happened in season one too. Maya was wrong on almost all the occasions but fans somehow magically found a reason to justify her actions and their only excuse was Maya’s abusive childhood. In last two episodes we saw that even Antara had a hand in what happened with Maya. I am waiting to know the back story to see who all wronged her. But yes her targeting Rishi is wrong on all levels. I did read a couple of posts justifying it coz Rishi seems to be a flirt. That’s his shortcoming as a person and for that does he deserve to be harmed in Maya’s quest for revenge? She is toying with both the Roy brothers and it is wrong coz at the end one might be killed and one will be left heartbroken and nothing can justify this. If MJ has wronged her then only MJ should be punished and likewise the others who played a part in it. Rishi and Rudra are nowhere involved especially Rishi since he must have been a ten year old boy back then.

Back to the main topic - Mahabharata was one epic that had grey characters including the Pandavs who all sinned at one point in time and in the Great War they themselves committed a few crimes and killed innocent people too coz there were some good folks on the opposite side too. So my only question to u is do u think that was justified? Mahabharata is one such epic which can invoke long debates. So I don’t see how BH2 is demeaning Geeta because where war is concerned there is no right or wrong. It’s all about how u choose to perceive it.

Bold: By that logic, war crimes committed throughout history are not wrong either. Numerous genocides, holocausts and rapes/tortures are all justified by your logic.

The Pandavas were all grey, right, but in the war they were fully justified. They tried their best to avoid war, but the Kauravas were not having it. As for the 'good people' on the opposite side, they were not there out of their own will but because of constraints. Bheesma, for example, helped the Pandavas even during the war, and had an icchamrityu.

The Pandavas were severely flawed, but they did no wrongs as far as the war was concerned.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

Bold: By that logic, war crimes committed throughout history are not wrong either. Numerous genocides, holocausts and rapes/tortures are all justified by your logic.

The Pandavas were all grey, right, but in the war they were fully justified. They tried their best to avoid war, but the Kauravas were not having it. As for the 'good people' on the opposite side, they were not there out of their own will but because of constraints. Bheesma, for example, helped the Pandavas even during the war, and had an icchamrityu.

The Pandavas were severely flawed, but they did no wrongs as far as the war was concerned.

@bold - i am not out of my mind to justify something heinous as rape. Rape is not a war and neither is torture. If ur hell bent on twisting words to start a war here go ahead. Bheeshma died of his own will but whose arrows rendered him weak? Karna was a good hearted man who paid a price for a mistake his mother committed. Again if u had bothered to read my comment u would also realise I was not supporting Maya in targeting innocent people. Since u brought up Bhagwad Geetha I pointed out that Mahabharata was not a fair play either.

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

@bold - i am not out of my mind to justify something heinous as rape. Rape is not a war and neither is torture. If ur hell bent on twisting words to start a war here go ahead. Bheeshma died of his own will but whose arrows rendered him weak? Karna was a good hearted man who paid a price for a mistake his mother committed. Again if u had bothered to read my comment u would also realise I was not supporting Maya in targeting innocent people. Since u brought up Bhagwad Geetha I pointed out that Mahabharata was not a fair play either.

I'm not twisting your words. You wrote that 'there is no right or wrong in war'. That's what I'm talking about.

Karna was not a good man, he supported Duryodhana and Co's attempted molestation of Draupadi. I read your comment, and I'm not saying that you ever supported Maya targetting the innocents in the show. I didn't say that anywhere.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

I'm not twisting your words. You wrote that 'there is no right or wrong in war'. That's what I'm talking about.

Karna was not a good man, he supported Duryodhana and Co's attempted molestation of Draupadi. I read your comment, and I'm not saying that you ever supported Maya targetting the innocents in the show. I didn't say that anywhere.

Like I said Mahabharata is filled with grey characters. Duryodhana too had some good traits. He might have befriended Karna for his own selfish reasons but he was known for his generosity too. There is also an instance when Karna was playing with Bhanumati, Duryodhana's wife and accidentally pulled her waist chain but Duryodhana never doubted his friend nor his wife. Karna was given an opportunity to reveal his identity before Pandavas by Krishna which would give him the right to claim the throne. Karna knew this would put an end to the war as Yudhishtra would happily give up his throne and Duryodhana wouldn't challenge him either. But he refused Krishna's offer as he knew he would give up the throne to Duryodhana to repay him for all he had done for him and he knew that would be wrong. As for Draupadi vastraharan, the Kauravs laid foundation for their destruction. Not justifying their act but Draupadi was not a naive woman either. She has humiliated Karna and Kauravas on countless occasions. That's the beauty of Mahabharata. All characters are human with their own set of strengths and weaknesses but with varying shades of grey.