RV never wanted happy to hate him!!! - Page 3

Originally posted by: Jareth

Look, everyone here is assuming that rv not wanting happy to hate him is 'pure'.

It's not 'pure'. Him not wanting happy to hate him is only so long as happy is not his. Once she is his, what's there for him to lose? His love is not healthy. It's obsession. This is what obsessive love looks like. RV said he'd destroy whoever comes between happy and him. He's been killing people that come between him and happy. Even his own brother. You think a man like is not going to stoop to violence if the woman he is obsessed with does something he doesn't like? Don't forget that despite being with anaya for most of his life, he did not hesitate from killing his.

His love is not pure love. Nothing like that. So yeah, if happy tries to go away or even show the slightest bit of concern for someone RV loathes, he IS going to harm her. THAT is obsession. So no, I disagree that this is a loophole. There have been a lot of loopholes in the current track but this is something that is not a loophole. I saw this coming a mile away. It's the only possibility when a guy like him has what he wants.

Nothing is pure about RV!! We all are despising his acts. I think you misunderstood.

However, great points Jareth! I concur completely. While reading this all of his scenes just played on my mind one by one. You put is damn straight. He always wanted to own Happy. Of course he is not in love. He was never. He is a lunatic. He is obsessed with Happy and now that she is "his", he thinks he can do anything with her if things don't go his way. She's like a possession to him. A property. When not served better, you fix it. Sadly this torture will go worse with each day.

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

With all due respect,

who is saying or regarding the fact that RV never wanted happy to hate him as'pure' ????not atleast in this thread,if there's anything else you have read in some other thread then what u said will be befitting.

We know from day one it's not pure or healthy only pointing out and questioning why RV kept saying he cant stand the fact that happy hates him if after marriage he was gonna treat her brutally.Which is definitely a loophole in both his character and in the story.

The title of the thread says that rv "never" wanted happy to hate him. implies that his need to get happy's approval is pure. That he would do anything to make sure that happy never hates him. You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that his intent to not let happy hate was not everlasting, it was not a pure intent. It was a intent borne out of necessity to take control over happy. To bring her to the point that she marries him. When she falls for his image, she would have not way to escape his clutches. Im not saying that people are saying his love is pure. I'm saying that everyone is forgetting that he is obsessed with happy. He wants to own happy. The reason behind him creating a clean image for happy has nothing to do with forever. He'll break that image if happy goes against him. There is nothing pure about his intent

Originally posted by: ShadeOfWhite

Nothing is pure about RV!! We all are despising his acts. I think you misunderstood.

However, great points Jareth! I concur completely. While reading this all of his scenes just played on my mind one by one. You put is damn straight. He always wanted to own Happy. Of course he is not in love. He was never. He is a lunatic. He is obsessed with Happy and now that she is "his", he thinks he can do anything with her if things don't go his way. She's like a possession to him. A property. When not served better, you fix it. Sadly this torture will go worse with each day.

I wasn't referring to his love in the first line of what I wrote. I was talking about his intent. The whole letting happy believe in his clean image was not pure. Its certainly a part of his obsession but not a lasting part. Had his intent to let happy believe in his image been pure, he would have stopped everything and bent his will to wooing her, to making her fall for him. But he was more concerned with removing those in his way. Never once did he try to make her fall for him. Did not even try to seduce her. Reason? That's not his main concer. Her love is not on his mind. In his mind she's his Because he has said it must be so. his need for her to not know anything was merely so that he can marry her without her protesting. He doesn't care whether she loves him. He wants to own her in every way. He needed her to believe certain things to have her. Now the game is in his hand. Had she found out about his true face so early, she would have hated him as she is doing so now. That would have been troublesome since he needed to marry her. He couldn't have forced her to marry him without making things messy. And we know rv is very meticulous. He does not like getting messy. He wants everything in a clean cut manner. That's why he framed sanya, faked anaya's suicide. A willingly wedded wife is so much easier to deal with. And yes, there is a twisted part of him that wanted happy to come to him herself. Now that she has, he can't hide himself from her. He'll be nice as long as she does what he wants.

The only example that comes to my mind for now is mother gothel from tangled. She did not love rapunzel..she needed her hair. But she did everything to make sure that rapunzel loved her. Even going to some far off area to get some rare paints for rapunzel on her birthday? Why? Because a willing prisoner is much much easier to handle as compared to one that will fight you all the time. That is RV's only motivation. That is the only reason he did not want happy to hate him before his marriage to her. It had nothing to do with him not wanting her to hate him. It was a necessity. And now that its no longer needed, he can 'beat' the things he does not like out of her. She approached him. He thinks she won't leave him Because she Wanted to marry him. He believes himself to be the one in power now. And there's only ever one end to obsessive love. And that is violence.

Originally posted by: Jareth

The title of the thread says that rv "never" wanted happy to hate him. implies that his need to get happy's approval is pure. That he would do anything to make sure that happy never hates him. You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that his intent to not let happy hate was not everlasting, it was not a pure intent. It was a intent borne out of necessity to take control over happy. To bring her to the point that she marries him. When she falls for his image, she would have not way to escape his clutches. Im not saying that people are saying his love is pure. I'm saying that everyone is forgetting that he is obsessed with happy. He wants to own happy. The reason behind him creating a clean image for happy has nothing to do with forever. He'll break that image if happy goes against him. There is nothing pure about his intent

You also misunderstood the content of my thread just because of the title,seems like you missed out reading those parts when I was talking about his obsession,obviously no one has forgotten, it wasn't implied at all that his intention was pure it is how you have perceived it, which is why I recommend you go through the content of my post again if you like.I said that RV killed and hurt in name of love...does that imply that his intentions were regarded as pure???

We all saw glimpses of RV turning obsessive since rocky came back as shaan but amidst the obsession he never wanted happy to hate him that's what he kept saying to others and to himself, my question is basically for the makers that why they kept bringing this 'happy should not hate me issue' so much in focus if after marriage he was going to beat her cruelly, and like mihrimah said happy will never accept him as husband even if she doesn't know the truth of his ugly deeds.Beating her like this ,is enough for her to leave him but under the current situation,happy is running out of all options.She proposed him and now she is his wife and at this point of discussion what you said about owning happy in your next continued post makes perfect sense.

But you are assuming and that I or others regard obsession as purity is totally your misconception.

I hope I am making sense to you.Still you are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

You also misunderstood the content of my thread just because of the title,seems like you missed out reading those parts when I was talking about his obsession,obviously no one has forgotten, it wasn't implied at all that his intention was pure it is how you have perceived it, which is why I recommend you go through the content of my post again if you like.I said that RV killed and hurt in name of love...does that imply that his intentions were regarded as pure???

We all saw glimpses of RV turning obsessive since rocky came back as shaan but amidst the obsession he never wanted happy to hate him that's what he kept saying to others and to himself, my question is basically for the makers that why they kept bringing this 'happy should not hate me issue' so much in focus if after marriage he was going to beat her cruelly, and like mihrimah said happy will never accept him as husband even if she doesn't know the truth of his ugly deeds.Beating her like this ,is enough for her to leave him but under the current situation,happy is running out of all options.She proposed him and now she is his wife and at this point of discussion what you said about owning happy in your next continued post makes perfect sense.

But you are assuming and that I or others regard obsession as purity is totally your misconception.

I hope I am making sense to you.Still you are entitled to your opinion.

*sighs* this is the difference between face to face conversations and written ones. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you (I have actually read everything in this thread) but you have also not understood what im trying to say. Because I have answered what you've written in bold. I'm not talking about his intent for love. I'm talking about his intent on not letting happy hate him. His 'niyat' wasn't pure regarding that. It was never meant to last longer than the marriage. That's what his focus was on. Marriage. After that? What's the need? She's his. And plus obsessive love can never end in any other way. I recommend reading my other replies in this thread and if we still misunderstand each other and cannot get out points across then I say let it be :)

@Jareth

Your explanation sounds convincing.

Maybe RV didn't want Happy to hate him just because that would have been the elimination of one method of marrying her.

Acquiring Happy had two methods - by her own choice or by force. Had he used force before by exposing himself and arousing her hatred then he would have lost the chance of having her 'by her own choice'- an option desirable over usage of force.

This option is desirable because when Happy would come by her own choice then she would not leave. Here, he removes every person including Rocky which serve to her as an alternative to RV. Hence, with no one around, she would seek solace and peace in him. That's exactly how he planned to have her!

And according to him, if he had used force as the first remedy itself then she would have turned against him for all her life and would have continued to look for ways to leave him and go away from him. There would have remained a persisting chance of losing her which he didn't want! So he preferred to own her by her own choice while hiding his real self by all the possible means!

Now, for him, he has successfully trapped her into following the first option and now he has her by her own choice.

Again,

After being successful in marrying her by either of the two methods, RV's obsessiveness had only one expectation from her..

THAT

She should always side with him and should be thinking the way he thinks. In other words, he wants her to share his view over all of his subjects without having a contradiction of opinions. That in true means, would be called owning her as he now owns her opinions and thought process as well!

Marrying her was just step one of his obsessive pursuance! Step two is owning her- which is possible only when she fulfills the above expectation!

Now, he's just making sure she fulfills his expectation - either by force or by choice!

I got it! 😆

Such a complicated character is RV!

Edit: Now, he is not thinking that he can lose her if he resorts to force because in his obsessive mind, he is convinced that she has come by choice and she can't leave. In his mind, step two didn't have an exit option for her! and hence, she can't leave!

That is how obsession has eaten up his gray cells! 😆

Originally posted by: Jareth

The only example that comes to my mind for now is mother gothel from tangled. She did not love rapunzel..she needed her hair. But she did everything to make sure that rapunzel loved her. Even going to some far off area to get some rare paints for rapunzel on her birthday? Why? Because a willing prisoner is much much easier to handle as compared to one that will fight you all the time. That is RV's only motivation. That is the only reason he did not want happy to hate him before his marriage to her. It had nothing to do with him not wanting her to hate him. It was a necessity. And now that its no longer needed, he can 'beat' the things he does not like out of her. She approached him. He thinks she won't leave him Because she Wanted to marry him. He believes himself to be the one in power now. And there's only ever one end to obsessive love. And that is violence.

Now that's really valid,it's another new angle in happy should not hate me case, but it in case of necessity he needs to pretend to be a good and sweetest friend and one that suports happy in time of her need only before happy, why he said to anaya mei uss se jitna bhi pyaar karloon.....because RV had already planned in his mind what he's going to do with anaya she knew already everything about RV so in front of her saying those things was not a necessity.

RV is not capable of loving anyone that we all know, so fear of happy hating him was for nothing,that certainly is an error when his character was designed.

Originally posted by: Golu14

@Jareth

Your explanation sounds convincing.

Maybe RV didn't want Happy to hate him just because that would have been the elimination of one method of marrying her.

Acquiring Happy had two methods - by her own choice or by force. Had he used force before by exposing himself and arousing her hatred then he would have lost the chance of having her 'by her own choice'- an option desirable over usage of force.

This option is desirable because when Happy would come by her own choice then she would not leave. Here, he removes every person including Rocky which serve to her as an alternative to RV. Hence, with no one around, she would seek solace and peace in him. That's exactly how he planned to have her!

And according to him, if he had used force as the first remedy itself then she would have turned against him for all her life and would have continued to look for ways to leave him and go away from him. There would have remained a persisting chance of losing her which he didn't want! So he preferred to own her by her own choice while hiding his real self by all the possible means!

Now, for him, he has successfully trapped her into following the first option and now he has her by her own choice.

Again,

After being successful in marrying her by either of the two methods, RV's obsessiveness had only one expectation from her..

THAT

She should always side with him and should be thinking the way he thinks. In other words, he wants her to share his view over all of his subjects without having a contradiction of opinions. That in true means, would be called owning her as he now owns her opinions and thought process as well!

Marrying her was just step one of his obsessive pursuance! Step two is owning her- which is possible only when she fulfills the above expectation!

Now, he's just making sure she fulfills his expectation - either by force or by choice!

I got it! 😆

Such a complicated character is RV!

Edit: Now, he is not thinking that he can lose her if he resorts to force because in his obsessive mind, he is convinced that she has come by choice and she can't leave. In his mind, step two didn't have an exit option for her! and hence, she can't leave!

That is how obsession has eaten up his gray cells! 😆

Golu,buddy your thoughts about this are very well analysed!!!

Such a complicated character is RV!

precisely😆 seems like he is playing with mind games with us all too, and here we are presenting different theories and angles ,trying to reach the verdict but something else about this character draws our attention and we all go in circles without reaching the end.We are like happy too just a dead end😆

Right Dear! 😆

But I hope RoHa don't get stuck in going around circles and circles of problems without giving us and themselves a chance to breathe! 😕

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

Golu,buddy your thoughts about this are very well analysed!!!

Such a complicated character is RV!

precisely😆 seems like he is playing with mind games with us all too, and here we are presenting different theories and angles ,trying to reach the verdict but something else about this character draws our attention and we all go in circles without reaching the end.We are like happy too just a dead end😆