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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: MahaganduArjun



Name of person doesnt introduce any quality just like if you rename dog and called him donkey that doesnt mean dog is donkey in same ways name has no meaning

In case of karna 'fair fight' is not noun but his QUALITY and ved vyass himself mentioned karna fair fighter many times. Plus karna had no record where he broke any rules. You wont find deceit/unfair/unrighteous words for karna in entire epic thats why text also support his quality.

I can find many such words for Karna. He was also called a braggart many times. Not just Bhishma and Drona but Ashwatthama too severely reprimands Karna.

Kripa's words to Karna before Virat war, Bibek Debroy's translation of Mahabharata, volume 4:-
Kripa said, "O Radheya! Your mind is always wicked and you are inclined towards war. You do not understand natural objectives, nor do you consider the consequences. We should think about the many courses of action that are laid down in the sacred texts. Those who are learned in the ancient accounts have said that a war is the worst. A war guarantees victory only if it is at the right time and the right place. But if it is conducted at the wrong time, it does not bring any fruits. Valour at the right place and the right time is recommended for our welfare. We must decide on a course of action in accordance with what is favourable. The learned do not gauge how much of load a chariot can take on the words of its maker. Reflecting on all this, it is not desirable for us to encounter Partha. He saved the Kurus alone and he satisfied Agni alone.95 He alone spent five years in the pursuit of brahmacharya.96 He was alone when he raised Subhadra onto a chariot and summoned Krishna to a duel.97 In the forest, Krishna won back Krishna when she was being abducted.98 He alone spent five years in Shakra's abode, learning the use of weapons.99 He extended the fame of the Kurus by defeating Samyamini alone.100 That destroyer of enemies swiftly vanquished Chitrasena, king of the gandharvas, in a battle, together with his invincible army.101 In a similar way, he alone defeated the Nivatakavacha and Kalakhanja danavas, whom even the gods could not slay.102 O Karna! What act have you single-handedly performed earlier? Have you, like each of them,103 brought lords of the earth under your sway? Even Indra himself is incapable of facing Partha in battle. He who wishes to fight with him had better take some medicine. You wish to extend your right hand and use your forefinger to pluck out a fang from an angry and virulent snake. Or while roaming alone in the forest, and without a goad,104 you wish to climb onto a mad elephant and drive it into the city. Or smearing yourself with clarified butter and attired in bark, you wish to pass through a blazing fire that has been kindled with clarified butter, fat and marrow. What manliness is there in tying a giant rock around one's neck, binding oneself, and then trying to swim across the ocean? O Karna! If one is unskilled in weapons and extremely weak, and yet wishes to fight with Partha, who is skilled in weapons and strong, that shows foolishness. He has been deceived by us for thirteen years. He is now like a lion that has been freed from its nooses. He will destroy all of us. We have unwittingly run into Partha waiting alone, like a fire hidden in a well. We confront supreme danger. Although Partha is invincible in battle, we will fight him together when he comes upon us. Let the soldiers be armed and stationed in battle formations. O Karna! Drona, Duryodhana, Bhishma, you, Drona's son and Iall of us will fight Partha. Do not be rash. Though Partha is fierce, like the one with an upraised vajra in his hand,105 if all six chariots106 are united together, we will be able to repulse him. With the soldiers arranged in battle formations and with the supreme archers ready, we will fight Arjuna in battle, like the danavas against Vasava.'

Ashwatthama's words to Karna:-

Ashvatthama said, "The cattle have not been conquered yet. They have not crossed the boundary. Nor have they reached Hastinapura. O Karna! Why are you boasting? Even after having won many battles, obtaining a great deal of riches and winning many enemy lands, there is no manliness in boasting. The fire burns without a word. The sun shines in silence. The earth bears its beings, mobile and immobile, in silence. The deeds of the four varnas have been laid down by the learned ones, so that they may achieve the objective of wealth without committing a sin. Having studied the Vedas, brahmanas must sacrifice and officiate at sacrifices. Kshatriyas must use the bow and sacrifice, but officiate at the sacrifices of others. Having acquired objects, vaishyas must perform deeds for the brahman.107 Having obtained the earth in accordance with the sacred texts, those immensely fortunate ones behaved well towards their preceptors, even if they were devoid of qualities. What kshatriya should be satisfied at having obtained a kingdom through gambling? That is cruel and should be for other ordinary men. Having obtained riches through deceit and fraud, what wise man will boast of it, like a vendor of flesh? In which duel in battle have you vanquished Dhananjaya, Nakula or Sahadeva? Whose riches have you robbed? Has Yudhishthira, or Bhima, supreme among strong ones, ever been defeated by you? And in which battle did you win over Krishna?108 O performer of evil deeds! She was dragged into the assembly hall in a single garment, when she was in season. In search of gain, you have severed the great root of a sandalwood tree.109 O brave one! You made them perform tasks and what did Vidura have to say then?110 We have seen that men exhibit conciliation, to the best of their ability. So do other beings, even insects and ants. The Pandavas are incapable of pardoning Droupadi's molestation. Dhananjaya has appeared for the destruction of the sons of Dhritarashtra. Appearing as a learned one, you speak your words repeatedly. But will Jishnu not end this enmity, leaving no vestiges left?111 Kunti's son Dhananjaya is not frightened of fighting the gods, the gandharvas, the asuras or the rakshasas. When he is enraged and descends on anyone in battle, he destroys him, like a tree is brought down through Garuda's force. He is superior to you in valour. He is equal to the king of the gods112 in archery. He is Vasudeva's113 equal in battle. Who will not show homage to Partha? He will fight and destroy divine114 with divine, human with human, weapons with other weapons. What man is Arjuna's equal? Those who know about dharma know that a student comes only after a son. That is the reason why Drona loves Pandava. Will you fight with Pandava the way you gambled and won Indraprastha and the way you dragged Krishna to the assembly hall? This wise uncle of yours, Shakuni of Gandhara,115 is a deceitful gambler and is learned about the dharma of kshatriyas. Let him fight here now. Gandiva does not cast dice, not krita, nor dvapara.116 Gandiva releases flaming, sharp and pointed arrows. When released from Gandiva, dreadful, extremely energetic and tufted with vulture feathers, they can even pierce the interiors of mountains. Antaka, Shamana, death117 and the fire with the mare's head118 leave something behind, but not an enraged Dhananjaya. Let the preceptor119 fight with Dhananjaya if he wishes. I will not fight with him. Our purpose is to fight with Matsya, if he comes here, following the footprints of the cattle.'

Ashwatthama had no reason to love Arjuna. He was one of Duryodhan's closest and most loyal friends. Yet he praised Arjuna.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Besides Bibhatsu was not a name that his parents gave him. Bibhatsu was what he was known as and reffered as by others. It was a descriptive name. So yes, it does describe Arjuna and he had earned that name.

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