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Posted: 6 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever


I agree kaurvas was entirely wrong but somehow pandavas side of argument was more strong as they wanted to get back their kingdom based on real war and not on dice game and on top of that they also avenged drapaudi s insult kaurvas were completely wrote their in the way they treated drapaudi that was gross and disgusting

Though I would like to add that they weren't waging the war to avenge her insult specifically and it was more of their personal interest second but still it somehow did have her justice and probably taught nobody should treat a woman like that

We should not forget the role of Pandavas in Droupadi vastraharan.
Pandavas treatment of Panchali was equally gross and disgusting.
From Kunti asking the brothers to share panchali so that the unity between them will always be intact; Arjun not taking a stand for his wife when his mom ordered him to share her with his brothers; Even the Dharmaputra forgetting dharma for the lust towards his brothers wife and using mother's order as an excuse; Pandavas selling panchali for a game and not battling an eye when she was getting stripped in public; Kunti offering Panchali to karna in order to make him change sides..and the list goes on

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Posted: 6 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

We should not forget the role of Pandavas in Droupadi vastraharan.
Pandavas treatment of Panchali was equally gross and disgusting.
From Kunti asking the brothers to share panchali so that the unity between them will always be intact; Arjun not taking a stand for his wife when his mom ordered him to share her with his brothers; Even the Dharmaputra forgetting dharma for the lust towards his brothers wife and using mother's order as an excuse; Pandavas selling panchali for a game and not battling an eye when she was getting stripped in public; Kunti offering Panchali to karna in order to make him change sides..and the list goes on


i agree with you on that i am very well aware of the part that they played in drapaudi s plight and vh and there can no excuse for it all i am saying is that the war that took place did prove to a certain degree that nobody has a right to unjust towards a woman kuru clan wronged many woman including amba gandhari and drapaudi and every doer got their punishement in the war
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Posted: 6 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

Karna was held back because he new he was fighting his own brother..Karna was made to promise that he won't use any divine astra more than once in the war and it was like tying his hands partially.
I can understand Kunti when she decided to abandon the newborn..But I am talking about what happened later on.. there were many instances where Karna was insulted for his cast infront of Kunti but she chose her honor over her sons.. She had seen injustice happening to Karna because of his low birth status but she didn't protest..Disclosing it was not even a big deal like it's today... everyone new about the boon and how Pandavas were born, if she disclosed Karnas birth secret later in life nothing major would have happened.. If people didn't had any problem in accepting Pandu,Drithrashtra,Pandavas etc then they could have accepted Karna also..But Kunti snatched that right from her first born and never let tge secret out until his death.


you know what i think that the pandavas knew about karna s identitym theyn would have treated him much better than kunti ever did sadly that never happened
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever


you know what i think that the pandavas knew about karna s identitym theyn would have treated him much better than kunti ever did sadly that never happened

That's right...if she had disclosed the truth earlier to everyone the war would never have happened.. Yudhishtara would have happily handed over the right to the throne to Karna, Duryodhana would have happily given half the country or even full if Karna was the supposed king of Pandavas.
You know When kunti revealed the truth Yudhishtara was so affected and he said from now onwards women will not be able to keep secrets 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever


i agree with you on that i am very well aware of the part that they played in drapaudi s plight and vh and there can no excuse for it all i am saying is that the war that took place did prove to a certain degree that nobody has a right to unjust towards a woman kuru clan wronged many woman including amba gandhari and drapaudi and every doer got their punishement in the war

You know what if the main reason of Pandavas for the war was Panchali vastraharan then I would have gladly supported them..But what was disappointing was the fact that it was not a big deal for Pandavas as they tried to avoid the war multiple times and primary intension for the war was the land...only Krishna supported the war for Panchali..
@bold.. absolutely agree.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

with due respect i would like to disagree neither did karna nor arjuna got anything easy in their life both laboured hard to achieve what they did both of them were great warriors only difference being arjun was on the right side while karna choose wrong
both the characters are grey and flawed

and karna broke war rules too when he participated in abhimanyu s murder the fact that he knew that abhimanyu is his nephew makes his act more heinous arjun toh didnt even knew that karan is his elder brother when he killed him

plus its not like arjun got much happiness after the war or before he has suffered equally

i like and loath both karan and arjun in equal measures in different ways though 😆 i guess that s beauty of the great epic that you can never hate anybody completely all of them have their own perspective all the characters of mahabharatha are grey not white or black nobody is completely right nobody is completely wrong

plus when did arjuna any other pandavas danced around karan s dead body? 😲 this is a news to me because because from what i have read an entirely different story where arjun deeply regreted his act after he came to know about karan s true identity


Just FYI 😊

"Sanjaya said, 'Beholding the troops crushed with arrows in that encounter between Karna and Arjuna, Shalya proceeded, filled with wrath, on that car divested of equipment. Beholding his army deprived of the Suta's son and its cars and steeds and elephants destroyed, Duryodhana, with eyes bathed in tears, repeatedly sighed the very picture of woe. Desirous of beholding the heroic Karna, pierced with arrows and bathed in blood, and stretched on the earth like the sun dropped from the skies at will, the warriors came there and stood surrounding the fallen hero. Amongst those belonging to the enemy and thy army that thus stood there, some showed signs of joy, some of fear, some of sorrow, some of wonder, and some gave themselves up to great grief, according to their respective natures. Others amongst the Kauravas, hearing that Karna of mighty energy had been slain by Dhananjaya, his armour, ornaments, robes, and weapons having all been displaced, fled in fear like a herd of kine afflicted with exceeding fear at losing its bull. Bhima then, uttering loud roars and causing the welkin to tremble with those awful and tremendous shouts, began to slap his armpits, jump, and dance, frightening the Dhartarashtras by those movements. The Somakas and the Srinjayas also loudly blew their conchs. All the Kshatriyas embraced one another in joy, upon beholding the Suta's son slain at that juncture. Having fought a dreadful battle, Karna was slain by Arjuna like an elephant by a lion. That bull among men, Arjuna, thus accomplished his vow. Indeed even thus, Partha reached the end of his hostility (towards Karna). The ruler of the Madras, with stupefied heart, quickly proceeding, O king, to the side of Duryodhana, on that car divested of standard said in sorrow these words, "The elephants, the steeds, and the foremost of car-warriors of thy army have been slain. In consequence of those mighty warriors, and steeds, and elephants huge as hills, having been slain after coming into contact with one another, thy host looks like the domains of Yama. Never before, O Bharata, has a battle been fought like that between Karna and Arjuna today. Karna had powerfully assailed the two Krishnas today and all others who are thy foes. Destiny, however, has certainly flowed, controlled by Partha. It is for this that Destiny is protecting the Pandavas and weakening us. Many are the heroes who, resolved to accomplish thy objects have been forcibly slain by the enemy. Brave kings, who in energy, courage, and might, were equal to Kuvera or Yama or Vasava or the Lord of the waters, who were possessed of every merit, who were almost unslayable, and who were desirous of achieving thy object, have in battle been slain by the Pandavas. Do not, O Bharata, grieve for this. This is Destiny. Comfort thyself. Success cannot be always attained." Hearing these words of the ruler of the Madras and reflecting on his own evil doings. Duryodhana, with a cheerless heart, became almost deprived of his senses and sighed repeatedly the very picture of woe.'"
[Source: Karna Parva, Mahabharata (KMG)]
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Posted: 6 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: NalayakBrihuu

Vyass himself called Karn fair fighter and Arjun unfair crook warriors still some people use microscope to find out proof so that at least once karn break rules but failed again and again


Did he? Citation please. And from BORI CE or at least KMG this time. Not your imaginary KarnaBharat
Posted: 6 years ago
#38
I don't get it as to why you people keep on debating like this😆

Isn't it kinda like an universal truth that Mahabharat is one story that is full of grey characters, no one is completely evil and none is completely pure. Each and every characters had something admirable in them and along that they all had flaws. Pandavs though on the right side aren't as heroic and pure as we thought them to be when we were kids (well, I sure did!) and Duryodhan isn't an incarnation of a devil.

Neither Karn nor Arjun is any superior but both of them had certain qualities that made them admirable but that doesn't mean that both of them didn't have negative qualities in them and that they did nothing wrong. Both Karn and Arjun have their share of mistakes and wrong deeds.

There are so many texts glorifying Karn and so many of them praising Arjun but just tell me something do we have something to verify such contexts?😆🤣

Who witnessed Karn selling his wives? Forget that have you even seen Karn in real?
And for those pointing fingers at Arjun, did you witness Arjun doing all that wrong stuff?

Forget such major issues, let's talk about the minor ones:
There are many stories about who and what were the names of Karn's wives. Some say he had only one wife, some say he had two and some say he had many. Some texts say that his wives names were Vrushali and Supriya, some say that their names were Uruvi, Kanchana and Ponnurvi.

Tell me with actual verified proof instead of providing me links to various texts that who exactly was Karn's wife!

It's like a rumour chain or something where people keep adding their own opinions to the original story before telling the other person the story. Just spread some rumours here and there, twist the original story in your words and bam! here's the new conclusion😆🤣

I ain't even sure that Karn and Arjun existed, I don't believe that they did because I only got to know about them after reading and watching Mahabharat. What if Mahabharat didn't happen? What if this is a complete fiction conjured by a mastermind😆😛

I am not trying to demean anything, what I am trying to say is that no one knows the original story! You, people, are only quoting what you saw and read about Mahabharat and that too only those things that present the good qualities of your respective favourites and demeans the other.

You, all of my dear friends debating around for those whom you don't even know, haven't met them even once😆🤣 I wonder if Karn and Arjun were real then they must be sitting together somewhere, probably in heaven, and laughing at all this like I am😆😛

Posted: 6 years ago
#39
Sanu vhele kehnde sanu ki 😆🤣
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Posted: 6 years ago
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One of Arjuna's names is Bibhatsu which means the one that never fought unfairly. He is referred as Bibhatsu many times. Is that proof enough that he never used unfair means to kill his enemies?

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