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Posted: 7 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: AreYaar



Oh wow you've raised another interesting prospect there😆😆...Well I guess initially she may be too broken over Shivaay's words to bother registering the threat from Daksh...but if Daksh is again dumb enough to confront her, blurt out his whole plan to her and try to show an implicit threat towards Prinku and Shivaay then yeah it's possible Anika may decide to focus on protecting them rather than focus on her own self-respect.


But honestly Anika herself contributed a lot to getting set up in Daksh's trap...if it's simply her words against his, she's lost the battle for now...she can mulishly settle into OM on the pretext of protecting P and S from D but again there isn't much she can do other than make empty threats at D unless her character is shown evolving a bit beyond this smug overconfidence.


For now D very easily has Shivaay's ear...where will Anika even begin to prove her side of the story? From the flight tickets that Shivaay didn't bother seeing? 😆


Oh and I think she will very well ask Shivaay the same questions about how he could think so lowly of her regardless of how little he knows her in this AU...the same way he felt emboldened enough to ask her how she can just marry any random guy when he himself barely knows her...the past connection will always be a strong backdrop.


I do expect her to question him initially but it never takes that long for Anika to melt...they will juxtapose her anger with him alongside his pain regarding Prinku and she will start melting seeing a grieving and broken brother.


Thank you very much :) Your reply is so well thought-out and interesting - I'm loving it! 😆

As you said (though not initially) if Daksh gloats to Annika on how he plans to break Shivaay and Priyanka - she may take a protective Avatar. Especially after understanding what led Shivaay to do what he did [priyanka' state and/or the lies Daksh spun] She might empathise with Shivaay
Her seeing Priyanka is going to be a huge factor here. She rn thinks Shivaay is mad over a shaadi stopping - not the coma bit. And she also doesn't realise why Shivaay is being so cruel -he is due to Daksh's words. Her MU needs to clear as much as Shivaay's before we start moving on a redemption arc.

And I suspect that since Priyanka is in a coma, Daksh may very well go after Shivaay for the money. Shivaay has married Annika and if she comes to OM, then Tia can't be his wife either. Which means both her and daksh will be the likely villians I suppose and may threaten to break Shivaay too?

Will Tia try to show her haq over Shivaay like last time? And then Annika while not feeling anything for Shivaay may still claim to be his wife to protect him. That'd be something...

You bring up a very good point about Daksh's words against Annika's. Last time Daksh managed to convince Pinky as well -- - this time Dadi is too broken over Priyanka --- OmRu maybe her only allies. And they maybe the allies she needs to get Shivaay to see her for who she really is ...for the sake of him, Priyanka and the entire family.

And spot on about evolution of Annika and the need to let go of her overconfidence!
Her overconfidence was highlighted when Shivaay remembers her statement to him that even if she stopped Priyanka's wedding, he wouldn't do anything to her. Old connection or not, Priyanka had a much stronger hold on him and she underestimated that. Perhaps she thought she'd have exposed Daksh by then..
She needs to get equally clever as him to defeat Daksh. Current Annika, I can't connect at all :(

I'm curious to see if Daksh will be defeated by Annika alone or Shivika together...I'd like to see Shivaay too defeat him as Daksh wronged Shivaay with Priyanka. In fact he crumbled his world in a day and then made Shivaay do something to Annika that Shivaay can never forgive himself for.

This old connection and the haq she and he have on each other -with Annika, the way she was surprised when he asked for the ring back - all this instances certainly tell us of an old world. However, I wish they'd make it much clearer for the TRP audience.

And yes, finally, I too agree on how their romance will start - he is a wounded soul and she may well see that and connect to him as a fellow older sibling. She may feel pity for him and Priyanka and something warm might start. Last time she herself said, the one thing she and him have in common is their love for their brothers. Then when he finds out the truth, he will have to redeem himself in a way that is satisfying.

Looks like we are in for a ride 😕


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Posted: 7 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Dreamer-Chic


This old connection and the haq she and he have on each other -with Annika, the way she was surprised when he asked for the ring back - all this instances certainly tell us of an old world. However, I wish they'd make it much clearer for the TRP audience.

And yes, finally, I too agree on how their romance will start - he is a wounded soul and she may well see that and connect to him as a fellow older sibling. She may feel pity for him and Priyanka and something warm might start. Last time she herself said, the one thing she and him have in common is their love for their brothers. Then when he finds out the truth, he will have to redeem himself in a way that is satisfying.

Looks like we are in for a ride 😕




LOL when have they ever been interested in making things easier for TRP audience to understand...they do whatever suits their fancy😆😆...and they only "clear up" things much later down the road by which ppl have even forgotten what confusions or questions they had and are just happy to see Shivika back together😆


As of now I don't see any romance happening...they will have angsty looks shared b/w them, pain, emotions...baaki depends on how things shift b/w them as Prinku wakes up, or if D's truth is exposed in some sense.


Last time they bonded over their love for their brothers...this time it's the sisters...Prinku is the catalyst again and again for every major things that happens b/w this redux Shivika...it's for her wedding that Anika tried to submit her file for consideration, which eventually brought her to OM...it was Prinku's allergy episode that made Shivika talk for the first time in the hospital...it was this Prinku related Daksh issue that made Anika find a backbone for the first time in this redux and do something other than simper around...and it's now Prinku only cuz of whom Shivaay has been driven this out of his mind that he will marry Anika in a haze of anger.


So I suspect even in the future, however Prinku shifts as a character will impact shifts in Shivika's equation too...if only this Prinku had more depth to her as a character beyond just living in her own happy go lucky pampered sis bubble in her head...lol


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Posted: 7 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: AreYaar



LOL when have they ever been interested in making things easier for TRP audience to understand...they do whatever suits their fancy😆😆...and they only "clear up" things much later down the road by which ppl have even forgotten what confusions or questions they had and are just happy to see Shivika back together😆


As of now I don't see any romance happening...they will have angsty looks shared b/w them, pain, emotions...baaki depends on how things shift b/w them as Prinku wakes up, or if D's truth is exposed in some sense.


Last time they bonded over their love for their brothers...this time it's the sisters...Prinku is the catalyst again and again for every major things that happens b/w this redux Shivika...it's for her wedding that Anika tried to submit her file for consideration, which eventually brought her to OM...it was Prinku's allergy episode that made Shivika talk for the first time in the hospital...it was this Prinku related Daksh issue that made Anika find a backbone for the first time in this redux and do something other than simper around...and it's now Prinku only cuz of whom Shivaay has been driven this out of his mind that he will marry Anika in a haze of anger.


So I suspect even in the future, however Prinku shifts as a character will impact shifts in Shivika's equation too...if only this Prinku had more depth to her as a character beyond just living in her own happy go lucky pampered sis bubble in her head...lol



Yeah, I sometimes wonder if Gul & HS write for SM audience. We analyse and make metas to figure out things but TRP audience aren't afforded the same luxury. It would do wonders if they choose the simpler way than complicating everything 1000 times.

Agree on the fact that it's all going to be Priyanka - and yes I wish there were some depth to her, instead of the repeated hug fiasco, a bit more complexity to her as Shivaay could have been helpful. Even her reminiscing about her parents, or why she was so trusting of Annika, how does she influence Shivaay's thoughts etc. The show claims that she is the light of Oberoi Family yet like you said she only seems to be focused on getting married and leaving for london lol.

Romance is far down the road for sure, but I suspect something warm might happen? But first few weeks would be explosive as hell after this wedding.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#64
Hey,
I am a silent reader (occasionally commenting on stories) and have been watching IB since the beginning. Unfortunately due to family and work demands I never get time to partake in discussions and the toxicity of this forum has also kept me away. However, I always read your reviews which I thoroughly enjoy and want to thank you for continuing to write these in this very dead forum! I am commenting for the first time and I am about to go on a bit of a rant. If my thoughts seem random or need editing please do say.

I might be in the minority but I enjoyed Friday's episode. There was a good dose of drama and NM was brilliant in portraying a man who was clearly unhinged but trying very hard to be restrained and break the marriage of his 'nemesis'. I know a lot has been said about the 'R' word but I understand the path that has led him to this absolute madness. I want to make it clear I am in no way justifying his behaviour but I do understand his mindset. I have seen normal, happy go lucky people lose their rag in difficult situations and use words and behave in ways which completely go against their lovable nature. There is no question that he needs to walk the path of redemption but people need to realise he is being heavily manipulated and he truly believes the words he is saying are the absolute truth about Anika. The only part I believe is beyond redemption is the act of the forced marriage itself. That is a criminal act and can only be remedied by putting him through the judicial system and being put behind bars. However this is a fictional show and that form of justice would end the show! It will be interesting to see where HS takes us from here. I definitely feel from this moment forward we are entering a make or break period for the show. Interesting times ahead!

The thing about Friday's episode which irked me the most was Anika's reaction before our hero/ villain made an entry. I know people are desperate for a lovelorn, completely mad about the girl Shivaay but that does not make sense in my head if that deep attraction is not felt both ways. The redux has been based upon the notion of Shivika being soulmates and this deja vu feeling that neither can explain. We continue to get a peek of RU Shivaay but RU Anika seems to be MIA. Here you have a bride who seems insanely happy and at one point is even giving heart eyes to NN. There's no hesitation on her part, no feeling that is she is about to lose something or someone precious. Is RU Anika's love simply not strong enough and if that is the case are these two really soulmates? The premise of the show is 'takkar ke ishaqbaaz' but if the actual love itself isn't takkar ka than everything else seems pointless. I don't buy the point around both of them having their individual journeys towards love because that stands true for RU not AU. If Shivaay had not come through she would have happily married, thus proving these two are not soulmates. Anika's lack of attraction/feelings for Shivaay has only made me believe that maybe Awasti was correct. I'll wait and see how HS convinces me again that these two are meant to be.

Any hoo apologies for the very long post and congratulations to you if you have managed to read to the end! Thank you once again for all the effort you put in for all the brilliant reviews/ analysis.
B/W
Wisal


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Posted: 7 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: Zana10

Hey,
I am a silent reader (occasionally commenting on stories) and have been watching IB since the beginning. Unfortunately due to family and work demands I never get time to partake in discussions and the toxicity of this forum has also kept me away. However, I always read your reviews which I thoroughly enjoy and want to thank you for continuing to write these in this very dead forum! I am commenting for the first time and I am about to go on a bit of a rant. If my thoughts seem random or need editing please do say.

I might be in the minority but I enjoyed Friday's episode. There was a good dose of drama and NM was brilliant in portraying a man who was clearly unhinged but trying very hard to be restrained and break the marriage of his 'nemesis'. I know a lot has been said about the 'R' word but I understand the path that has led him to this absolute madness. I want to make it clear I am in no way justifying his behaviour but I do understand his mindset. I have seen normal, happy go lucky people lose their rag in difficult situations and use words and behave in ways which completely go against their lovable nature. There is no question that he needs to walk the path of redemption but people need to realise he is being heavily manipulated and he truly believes the words he is saying are the absolute truth about Anika. The only part I believe is beyond redemption is the act of the forced marriage itself. That is a criminal act and can only be remedied by putting him through the judicial system and being put behind bars. However this is a fictional show and that form of justice would end the show! It will be interesting to see where HS takes us from here. I definitely feel from this moment forward we are entering a make or break period for the show. Interesting times ahead!

The thing about Friday's episode which irked me the most was Anika's reaction before our hero/ villain made an entry. I know people are desperate for a lovelorn, completely mad about the girl Shivaay but that does not make sense in my head if that deep attraction is not felt both ways. The redux has been based upon the notion of Shivika being soulmates and this deja vu feeling that neither can explain. We continue to get a peek of RU Shivaay but RU Anika seems to be MIA. Here you have a bride who seems insanely happy and at one point is even giving heart eyes to NN. There's no hesitation on her part, no feeling that is she is about to lose something or someone precious. Is RU Anika's love simply not strong enough and if that is the case are these two really soulmates? The premise of the show is 'takkar ke ishaqbaaz' but if the actual love itself isn't takkar ka than everything else seems pointless. I don't buy the point around both of them having their individual journeys towards love because that stands true for RU not AU. If Shivaay had not come through she would have happily married, thus proving these two are not soulmates. Anika's lack of attraction/feelings for Shivaay has only made me believe that maybe Awasti was correct. I'll wait and see how HS convinces me again that these two are meant to be.

Any hoo apologies for the very long post and congratulations to you if you have managed to read to the end! Thank you once again for all the effort you put in for all the brilliant reviews/ analysis.
B/W
Wisal



First of all as you said its fictional show. Secondly even though they give RU reference here and there still its AU and both characters have their own characteristics. For annika she just want to get married who she is getting married doesn;t matter. She believes that a lady gets respect only when she gets married. SHe being happy its for Nikhil but just for the fact that she is getting married and the spot which she has been carrying bcoz of her mothers deed would now be cleared and she would lead a respectful life. She does not love nikhil or even spares a lovable look to him this we saw till now.

As most of people here blaming more annika that its her fault that she interfered more etc etc so basically if annika had not interfered then SHivaay also would have married to Tia then can we say same for Shivaay side too?

Attraction was felt from both side. We have seen both lost on each other but annika didn't realize or gave a thought for it bcoz for now she has so many responsibilities on her of her family, then saving Prinku was her main aim. And if you analyse without biasness then saving prinku was more because SHE IS SHIVAAY SISTER. Its all for SHivaay even though she did not realize it yet.

you are just stating as if only Shivaay loved her and she didn't love him enough lmao just bcoz she is seen happy? well you really does not understand her character then and just being bias towards SSO character. Even when she got shagun her dialogue was that my mom didn't respect marriage but I will do it.
If she wasn't attracted she wouldn't have let him put the ring even for trail. She was so lost when he asked to give ring back. We see how she shows HAQ on him without realizing so its matter of giving thought to it. Shivaay was totally free to give full thoughts on it as its was prinku marriage and not handling family by doing day to day hardwork as annika.
Its difference in personalities that how their love is getting displayed. Last season Shivaay took so much time to realize and show his love and this time its gonna be annika. But just being her happy you can't say that they are not soulmate or annika love is any less for him

and lastly if you mean only SSO love was strong then RU SSO would've control and he wouldn't destroy annika life soul everything like this. What is happening with annika for now is like hell for a girl. and most importantly if annika wasn't good enough then SSO wouldn't have loved her to moon. and If annika wouldn't have been so good and selfless then she wouldn't have been saving Prinku after SSO shut her once then AU SSO would have been married to Tia and SU SSO love couldn't do anything.
This AU is shivika VS awasthi not SHivaay vs Annika. So we can discuss shivika as a team but not question on RU shivika love for each other
Edited by angel_nonu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#66
@angel_nonu

Firstly I'm not sure how I am making this a Shivaay v Anika debate. I adore Shivika and simply pointed out a reaction I did not like of one of the protagonists. If I am ever unhappy about an action of a fictional character it is a given in my mind that I am criticising the writer and not the character. As I cannot begin every sentence with 'I wish HS and Gk had not made...' I insert the character name. All fictional characters are only as good or bad as the writer. I still believe the mandap scene between Anika and NN should have played out differently. There is a point where they both look at each other and are literally beaming and anyone not familiar with the show would have seen a couple in love. I also don't agree that Shivaay would have married Tia and even if they had shown him walking towards the mandap there would have been greater uncertainty and a real struggle or at least complete indifference which has been the case thus far. My issue with the writing is that neither have a real base for their feelings, unlike RU, and so their attraction is based on an 'ehsaas'. If their attraction is based on this unknown feeling than surely their responses should also be equal regardless of their core characteristics. A slightly more indifferent Shivaay would have worked better here in my opinion.

I'm not sure why you feel people are blaming Anika. I think what you are confusing is people understanding his mindset that has led him to this reaction but no one is actually justifying his actual actions. Shivaay's actions are heinous AND criminal. Daksh is the only one to truly blame here, after which it's Shivaay all the way. The only fault of Anika's as far as I can see is her inability to understand the consequences of her actions. This is especially apparent when she walks out after the wedding believing she has helped and not for a second pondering over the extent of the damage she may have caused.

In terms of Anika being busy we are made to believe that Shivaay is running a massive business empire and at the same time trying to save his beloved sisters wedding from their official wedding 'crasher'. He also has brothers and grandmother to look after so I don't agree about her not having time to mull over her feelings. I have no idea why you have spoken about Anika not being good enough and doing so much for Shivaay. I made no such indication that was the case and have in fact believed on many an occasion that she is too good for him.

I admit that on occasions I am subconsciously biased towards Shivaay, not because of the character but rather the actor playing him. I only began watching this show for NM and even though I adore SC, I lean towards NM ever so slightly more. As far as I can see the majority of the Shivika/ Narbhi fandom have a slight preference between the two and the majority love Anika/ SC slightly more. There are very few absolute true blue fans who love them equally. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with having a slight preference as long as we all ultimately prioritise Shivika and their progression above all. I have also read some of your previous posts and you clearly favour Anika and so you accusing others for being biased towards Shivaay is unfair when you are guilty of it yourself.

Anyway real life beckons and I am sure you also agree that no fictional show is worth getting into argument about and we can simply and respectfully disagree.

@AY- I was just putting a viewpoint across and hopefully haven't created any drama on your thread. Apologies if I have that was absolutely not my intention.

Ciao!
Wisal
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Posted: 7 years ago
#67
@Zana10:
I made point about annika being not good enough because you pointed that they are not soulmates because you do not see attraction from annika side as she was happy being getting married.

RU annikas main nature was forgiving SSO easily whatever he does and we see same here too. Does AU annika know him enough? no but she forgave him too quickly for hospital act when she wasn't at fault there. In fact she did not blame him at all. This is RU annika fighting so that to not have MU between her and Shivaay.

And If you see my replies in same thread, I clearly said I too get SSO state of mind and what led him to do this. Even todays episode annika understood and forgave him in a spit understanding why he broke her wedding so this is RU annika who keeps popping up.
RU reference isn't just seen in attraction and as I said characterization is made such SSO doesn't laugh doesn't do anything and is dark whereas annika just has one aim to get married with whom doesn't matter.

yes I adore annika more but I do admit and agree when I feel she is wrong like she was so dumb and wrong to not go to SSO with payal or leave OM when he saw her. and thats why I got his breaking her wedding part though he could've broke with so many ways w/o choosing such low things to say about their relation which left bitter taste but I did get his action.

I replied to u bcoz ur statement made as if only SSO loved her and thats why we see his attraction more. This time he saw annika goodness, fighter in herself etc before her so he is more attracted. Last time annika saw all his goodness love for family first.

Lastly about business and handling family, he was busy saving wedding only in last day not before that. Plus dadi and all we see how much he is connected to them. and I was talking about this bcoz working for survival or day to day money is different than working on a established business. Just bcoz of her smiling to nikhil you ignored all times where she was equally lost in him. Infact her everything is starting from SHivaay ki sister shivaay ki family and not other way that prinku ka bhai whereas she knows prinku better.

anyways yes as u said no fictional show is worth getting in argument
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Posted: 7 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Zana10

Hey,
I am a silent reader (occasionally commenting on stories) and have been watching IB since the beginning. Unfortunately due to family and work demands I never get time to partake in discussions and the toxicity of this forum has also kept me away. However, I always read your reviews which I thoroughly enjoy and want to thank you for continuing to write these in this very dead forum! I am commenting for the first time and I am about to go on a bit of a rant. If my thoughts seem random or need editing please do say.

I might be in the minority but I enjoyed Friday's episode. There was a good dose of drama and NM was brilliant in portraying a man who was clearly unhinged but trying very hard to be restrained and break the marriage of his 'nemesis'. I know a lot has been said about the 'R' word but I understand the path that has led him to this absolute madness. I want to make it clear I am in no way justifying his behaviour but I do understand his mindset. I have seen normal, happy go lucky people lose their rag in difficult situations and use words and behave in ways which completely go against their lovable nature. There is no question that he needs to walk the path of redemption but people need to realise he is being heavily manipulated and he truly believes the words he is saying are the absolute truth about Anika. The only part I believe is beyond redemption is the act of the forced marriage itself. That is a criminal act and can only be remedied by putting him through the judicial system and being put behind bars. However this is a fictional show and that form of justice would end the show! It will be interesting to see where HS takes us from here. I definitely feel from this moment forward we are entering a make or break period for the show. Interesting times ahead!

The thing about Friday's episode which irked me the most was Anika's reaction before our hero/ villain made an entry. I know people are desperate for a lovelorn, completely mad about the girl Shivaay but that does not make sense in my head if that deep attraction is not felt both ways. The redux has been based upon the notion of Shivika being soulmates and this deja vu feeling that neither can explain. We continue to get a peek of RU Shivaay but RU Anika seems to be MIA. Here you have a bride who seems insanely happy and at one point is even giving heart eyes to NN. There's no hesitation on her part, no feeling that is she is about to lose something or someone precious. Is RU Anika's love simply not strong enough and if that is the case are these two really soulmates? The premise of the show is 'takkar ke ishaqbaaz' but if the actual love itself isn't takkar ka than everything else seems pointless. I don't buy the point around both of them having their individual journeys towards love because that stands true for RU not AU. If Shivaay had not come through she would have happily married, thus proving these two are not soulmates. Anika's lack of attraction/feelings for Shivaay has only made me believe that maybe Awasti was correct. I'll wait and see how HS convinces me again that these two are meant to be.

Any hoo apologies for the very long post and congratulations to you if you have managed to read to the end! Thank you once again for all the effort you put in for all the brilliant reviews/ analysis.
B/W
Wisal




Hi Wisal :)


Firstly thanks for chiming in. Yes, this forum is largely dead for various reasons...lol...but I like writing for the show whenever the epis inspire me :) And I enjoyed reading your take on the episode as well. Always good to have some discussion going beyond just blind praising.



@bold: LOL I'm reading a lot of ppl saying this on social media platforms also that apparently this Anika doesn't love Shivaay and I have to say it amuses me😆


Do we really know for sure the AN marriage may have gone through if Shivaay had not shown up? 😛...Isn't the whole point of this story that in some form or the other, destiny will find a way to unite them...in this particular instance, Shivaay became the instrument of destiny to come and stop her wedding...if not him, some other cosmic event would have made it possible...maybe there would be an earthquake, maybe a storm and the whole mandap would blow away😆😆...but this much I'm sure of that that wedding would have never taken place, come what may.


As for this Anika...well firstly we have to see how she's been sketched...whatever little half-baked sketch HS has provided for is very one note...she's mostly a typical sanskaari girl jheloing duniya ke atyachaar for the sake of her family...her only dream in life is to get married to have respectability...so that is the reason why she was happy to be getting married...that has been her only goal since the time this redux started.


But let's look beyond the surface...for a girl who's only goal supposedly was to get married, this girl was busy running around trying to solve SHIVAAY ki behen ki problems😆...she literally staked EVERYTHING she had, didn't spare even one thought for her own reputation, her own marriage functions getting impacted to go help Prinku or invariably end up being drawn to Shivaay...then by what call are ppl saying she isn't drawn to Shivaay? That she doesn't love him? Do you stake everything you have for someone you don't love? I doubt it.


Anika's way of showing her level of involvement with Shivaay is different from his...his eyes show a greater vulnerability right now regarding the thought of losing her...so he has become the instrument to fight more for them right now than she is doing...but there is no doubt in my mind that subconsciously she is just as deeply bound to him...


Awasthi's whole point was regarding circumstances...if circumstances change, will Shivika still find their way back to each other? Well circumstances HAVE changed and so have Shivika along with it...so the way they find their way back to each other will also change...Shivaay is more upset about her marrying someone right now cuz he is meant to be that instrument...if Anika too was equally upset about him marrying Tia then there would be hardly anything keeping them apart...we have to sort of look at it through the lens of things both pushing them towards each other and pulling them apart.


But to me, there is no doubt at all that underneath everything their feelings are equally strong for each other. Have we all forgotten the drunk night where their subconscious feelings asserted themselves? His pain hit her just as hard as hers hit him...what girl would insist on putting haldi on his wounds without a thought for her own? A girl who cares for him deeply against all odds.


Sorry for the long essay...I guess a lot of thoughts tumbled out on this subject😆

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