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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 7 years ago

..hello guys! :) Goodluck reading through the messed up ball of confused words ahead and if you do complete it, thankyou😛

So... let's talk about 'art' and more specifically about film-making.

ART, is something I think is very personal to each person, both the audience and the artist.

Art of film-making is the artist's "view" of something, it springs from his imagination and is entirely tied to his 'vision' of whatever he wants to 'imitate', even if he thinks he's giving the most realistic picture of what he's doing.

You, as audience either like it or you do not.

So... with all the uproar over movies(Padmavati), where people started saying that they look for a movie to "learn about the historical figures" , it really got me thinking... when did we start looking at movies as a source of information? We DO learn a lot about a lot from any movie... but, is it right to restrict the creative liberty of an artist, just because you as an audience expect something?

We can either buy or reject what the artist's selling to us, no?

And, this latest subject of a movie showing something, and it is taken as "promoting" something else. Like, say a man pursues a woman or stalks her in the movie, these days we have a criticism of the movie "promoting" stalking. I'M NOT supporting stalking here, please don't twist this into something else -_- I hate millions of such scenes, infact I turn off the TV when something like this is shown... but then, I never somehow unterstood it from the POV of "promoting"... this whole "movie promotes _______ because it shows _______" ...has gone too far for me.. It's not an ad, it's not a news channel, it's not an editorial... it's an art, basically. And, when will we start taking up responsibility for our actions in real life, whether they find inspiration in a movie or a song or a book or a dream??

Art was supposed to be sharing on part of artist, of his inner world with us and both meeting on an imaginative plane.. When it's distasteful, we just reject it... but accusing artist of promoting something is something I am yet to understand. YES, I do understand the POWER of influence film can have... but I feel we are wrongly putting a heavy unrealistic/unfair onus on filmmakers..

Also, I'm not even talking about Padmavati here, I get that it has implications on our diverse society, I'm just speaking in general... from basic audience-artist POV.. please don't make this topic into another Padmavati related one.

I don't understand since when did we stop watching movies as an imaginative projection of an artist? It is imagination or his 'vision', and certainly, it will be different. Why do we get so serious about their creative liberties?

When did this happen?

YES, we do get influenced by movies, we look for inspiration in them, we learn a lot about life through films... but isn't it our self-responsibility to know the difference between a movie as an enjoyable art and the reality that you have to work out for yourself, ultimately?

I'm not saying that artists deserve an absolute liberty ( although, truly, I do wish they get absolute liberty, but it could be impractical or even impossible because nothing is absolute in this universe) .

I'm not even against constructive criticism of the film. Infact, it is necessary. But, there's a difference between liking/disliking something, and vehemently protesting over a film.

SO.

What are your views on FILM, on creative liberties, on audience's responsibility and artist's responsibility, of "promotion" and so on? What are your views on what I said above?

Hope I didn't confuse you in my garden of words :p

Participate guys, let's bring DM back to life, say whatever you want... !

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_Angie_

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Posted: 7 years ago

That's a lot ALD!

Not sure if DM can be revived but lets have a go...😆

Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

What are your views on FILM, on creative liberties, on audience's responsibility and artist's responsibility, of "promotion" and so on? What are your views on what I said above?

Film: Mostly unnecessary, avoidable input (GIGO)

Creative liberties: Desirable as long as it causes no harm. May be suitable for select audience only.

Audience's responsibility: To be aware that it's a FILM they've come to watch, a means of entertainment and not necessarily something worth emulating in real life.

Artist's responsibility: To be aware of the possible deleterious consequences of its portrayal on the audience and to take whatever preemptive measures it can.

Promotion: It doesn't have to be intentional promotion of an idea or a behaviour. Repeated exposure to audio visual input could unwittingly end up normalizing an otherwise deviant behavior in a society . Eg. the commonly depicted stalking , harassing antics and the OCD behavior by the lead actor , that you mentioned, can seem cool to his impressionable fans . They try to emulate their screen idol . We need to realize that the film industry thrives on adulation!

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_
That's a lot ALD!
Not sure if DM can be revived but lets have a go...😆

Film: Mostly unnecessary, avoidable input (GIGO)

Creative liberties: Desirable as long as it causes no harm. May be suitable for select audience only.

Audience's responsibility: To be aware that it's a FILM they've come to watch, a means of entertainment and not necessarily something worth emulating in real life.

Artist's responsibility: To be aware of the possible deleterious consequences of its portrayal on the audience and to take whatever preemptive measures it can.

Promotion: It doesn't have to be intentional promotion of an idea or a behaviour. Repeated exposure to audio visual input could unwittingly end up normalizing an otherwise deviant behavior in a society . Eg. the commonly depicted stalking , harassing antics and the OCD behavior by the lead actor , that you mentioned, can seem cool to his impressionable fans . They try to emulate their screen idol . We need to realize that the film industry thrives on adulation!

Wow, loved reading your post... so neatly put :)

@red---- 😲😲 ..Are you serious Angie, don't you like movies?

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sudesh kumar

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Posted: 7 years ago

I feel films are made for the masses and not for the pleasure of film making.. however creative, they have boundaries. more importantly their objective is to appeal to the audiences.. and make money for that creativity.. In other words its a business..

Regarding padmavati, If one wants to distort history to their own preferred perspective..it is going to get mixed response.. if this movie was called Bhanumati and references were insinuated to Khilji and Rani Padmini it would still be objected to.. One cant take liberties with history in name of fiction!!! I guess he couldnt have gotten away even with a disclaimer of fictional bio etc!

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sudesh kumar

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_
That's a lot ALD!
Not sure if DM can be revived but lets have a go...😆

Deviant behavior or social mores? Bryan Adam song "Every breath you take, every move you make I'll be watching you..." was a classic romantic song not a stalkers anthem... its another thing that people in a society have lost ability to trust one another.. today and this could very well be turned down for its emotion..even leading to an arrest... Eye contact in earlier times was sign or romantic beginnings but today it could be rude staring or picturing naked and what not.. its not movies but how society has evolved...that is making the difference...movies merely reflect the society...at that point in time..

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Believe

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Posted: 7 years ago

A film is collective and creative imagination happens in a group of people, nothing do with reality, just a acting,seems some people still dont understand the difference between reel life and real life. ,

why people give such undue importance to karni Sena ? Their action seem to be politically motivated. If your expression is violence , there is no place for such expression in democracy .

Feel like, we celebrate freedom...while the government monitors us...😊

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BirdieNumNum

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Posted: 7 years ago

i think film-making is an over-rated art. By the time an idiot like bhansali gets down to making a movie, he has all the ingredients in place- good music, script, locations, budgets, stage hands etc. And even then, they'll blow through your budget and make movies that tank half the time. No art. And not even any business sense.

if you want to talk about art, then talk about the guys who make that music, the singers, the poets, the writers. They are the ones creating things from almost nowhere. The film makers are just piecing things together on the backs of the real artists and trying to look cute doing that.

By the way, people can be taught film-making to a level where they excel. There are schools for that. A lot of it is technical. That's also how you have idiot assistants helping film directors who go on to become directors themselves. On the other hand, its hard to be taught other arts to a level where someone can become very good. So let's cut the crap. Film making is something you can pick up same as picking up the latest scam subject in the latest scam institute. There's no art to it. 😆

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Totally agree.

and the bold part -- sad truth of 21st century.

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: -Believe-

A film is collective and creative imagination happens in a group of people, nothing do with reality, just a acting,seems some people still dont understand the difference between reel life and real life. ,

why people give such undue importance to karni Sena ? Their action seem to be politically motivated. If your expression is violence , there is no place for such expression in democracy .

Feel like, we celebrate freedom...while the government monitors us...😊

..it feels like not just the government but even our fellow citizens monitor and police us..

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

i think film-making is an over-rated art. By the time an idiot like bhansali gets down to making a movie, he has all the ingredients in place- good music, script, locations, budgets, stage hands etc. And even then, they'll blow through your budget and make movies that tank half the time. No art. And not even any business sense.

if you want to talk about art, then talk about the guys who make that music, the singers, the poets, the writers. They are the ones creating things from almost nowhere. The film makers are just piecing things together on the backs of the real artists and trying to look cute doing that.

By the way, people can be taught film-making to a level where they excel. There are schools for that. A lot of it is technical. That's also how you have idiot assistants helping film directors who go on to become directors themselves. On the other hand, its hard to be taught other arts to a level where someone can become very good. So let's cut the crap. Film making is something you can pick up same as picking up the latest scam subject in the latest scam institute. There's no art to it. 😆

Although I disagree with you, your post made me chuckle inside :p

Why do you say that @bold ?

And, I think I understand where you're coming from... but surely, musician/poetry/writing/singer/dance seem like higher arts, but IMO, it does take a "vision" and some imagination or creativity to put things together and project it in one piece for audience... otherwise, wouldn't every other film be more or less the same? :)

But... I've seen poetry in motion, in movies so that is why I consider it to be an art of it's own.. And anything that inspires or moves you is art... I'm surprised at your take on films! 😆

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