Biwi ke liye Toilet banaya?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I haven't seen Toilet but from my understanding he decides to build up the toilet for his wife -- just like Shahjahan built Taj Mahal. However my problem is that prior to this it wasn't a big deal to anyone so does it mean open defecation by men, or men peeing in the streets and exposing themselves is OK? Had it not been Akshay's pride when keeping in mind of his wife honor been the only cause that he decided to build toilets or else it would be business as usual. To me toilets or their lack of is not about naari izzat, it is about hygenie, cleanliness themselves to other passerby which is a big no no.

So my question to those who watched this movie is did he built the toilet for his wife, or did he built it because it was the right thing to do?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree. I will post more on this once I watch the movie. But from what I have experienced in different places of India, men in particular don't feel much resistance before peeing on the street if urgent. Some decent boys still try to find a secluded wall/place but that is also not mandatory. To top it, you will see many boys (including ACTORS LIKE RANBIR KAPOOR) saying that ENJOY peeing on the roads. 🤢 And I have seen Indian men peeing on the streets in foreign trips if they have to pay for the Loo (in European countries, at least 10 yrs back it's Pay and Use Washroom concept). So it's like they have money to go to Europe Trips, but they are not ready to pay like half bucks for using CLOSED LOO, rather they would pee on the street. But girls/women hardly opt for this process even at the time of extreme need. Secluded walls/areas don't do for them at all, forget about OPTING for it over anything, not going to the argument of them ENJOYING open defecation. In fact girls/women prefer not to have water whole day at all in long journey trips in India in the fear of public defecation. Yes I have done that like 1000 times myself.

From cleanliness and hygiene point of view, yes Toilet is for both men and women. But whereas men still enjoy the liberty of not feeling shameful for exposing themselves at the time of need, for women it's a mandate. Blame gender bias for this.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

I agree. I will post more on this once I watch the movie. But from what I have experienced in different places of India, men in particular don't feel much resistance before peeing on the street if urgent. Some decent boys still try to find a secluded wall/place but that is also not mandatory. To top it, you will see many boys (including ACTORS LIKE RANBIR KAPOOR) saying that ENJOY peeing on the roads. 🤢 And I have seen Indian men peeing on the streets in foreign trips if they have to pay for the Loo (in European countries, at least 10 yrs back it's Pay and Use Washroom concept). So it's like they have money to go to Europe Trips, but they are not ready to pay like half bucks for using CLOSED LOO, rather they would pee on the street. But girls/women hardly opt for this process even at the time of extreme need. Secluded walls/areas don't do for them at all, forget about OPTING for it over anything, not going to the argument of them ENJOYING open defecation. In fact girls/women prefer not to have water whole day at all in long journey trips in India in the fear of public defecation. Yes I have done that like 1000 times myself.

From cleanliness and hygiene point of view, yes Toilet is for both men and women. But whereas men still enjoy the liberty of not feeling shameful for exposing themselves at the time of need, for women it's a mandate. Blame gender bias for this.


OK I thought my question is seriously going to go above everyones head but glad to see you understood. Since I haven't seen the movie and also going by the trailer it does seem like he is chastising his fellow villagers that are you seriously going to allow your women to defecate in the open and dishonor them so to me I see some bigger issues with his character as he is already stalking them and now he makes it an honor issue which is a common thought process in fuedalism families from small towns. So he isn't very much different at all, he could grow on to tell them how to dress up, stay indoors and even kill them if they decide to elope. So yeah although his intentions are noble to build up toilets, to me he is just self serving his own bias.

And YES I have seen this "chalta hai" attitude many times by fellow desis aka south-asians. Used to live in a neighbourhood before where all garages were converted into basements, and people will park their cars outside, not mow their lawns, throw garbage by their drive way (curb appeal and cleanliness became a lost concept) and even stop over at some free way to pee even if there is a rest area 500 metres away.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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There are a lot of people who have no sense of compassion or duty at all. They sleepwalk through life or have a huge sense of entitlement.
Why only toilets? In the village where I live half of the road has been nearly completely encroached upon. People have built houses on half of the road.
Another common feature of village architecture is high sloping ramps on the road of course. Not satisfied still ,they will put huge stone slabs, (dunno where they even get them or how they transport them) on the corners so that making a turn becomes near enough impossible.

Oh and all the encroaching is only for rooms so next, they use the little that's left of the road as their personal parking space. You'd think the two wheelers would take up less space when parked, right? Well wrong, the 2 wheeler owners are even worse because they like to park diagonally and as close to the middle of the remaining road as possible.
Why, the other day, I was driving down to my farm and the road was completely blocked by parked vehicles. I was relieved when a police car turned up on the other end. "Phew. Finally someone will ram some sense into these people". But no, the useless policemen reversed and turned back. *smh. Written so many letters to the UT Admin and those lazy bas***d police always turn up for a bottle of Johnny Walker's during festival time.

Don't have any personal experience with toilets but many Indians consider toilets dirty so they liked to keep the dirt outside. Another reason, why many Indians will litter and dump garbage anywhere as long as it's away from their home. I mean if you have to defecate in the open at least take a shovel and dig a small hole and do the deed and cover up. But what do these people care.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheBoss


OK I thought my question is seriously going to go above everyones head but glad to see you understood. Since I haven't seen the movie and also going by the trailer it does seem like he is chastising his fellow villagers that are you seriously going to allow your women to defecate in the open and dishonor them so to me I see some bigger issues with his character as he is already stalking them and now he makes it an honor issue which is a common thought process in fuedalism families from small towns. So he isn't very much different at all, he could grow on to tell them how to dress up, stay indoors and even kill them if they decide to elope. So yeah although his intentions are noble to build up toilets, to me he is just self serving his own bias.

And YES I have seen this "chalta hai" attitude many times by fellow desis aka south-asians. Used to live in a neighbourhood before where all garages were converted into basements, and people will park their cars outside, not mow their lawns, throw garbage by their drive way (curb appeal and cleanliness became a lost concept) and even stop over at some free way to pee even if there is a rest area 500 metres away.


Agree. There is a dialog promo - Main usse khule khet dene ke liye taiyaar hoon, jangal dene ko taiyaar hoon, pedh paudhe dene ke liye taiyaar hoon, lekin nahi, usse chahiye ek 4x8 ka 'Sau-cha-laya'. 😆 I think it's also about this man Keshav himself growing as a person in this journey. His stalking and other demeaning stuffs go along with this dialog very well and I am guessing that would be in the first half of the movie until it really gets into his head about how serious this matter can be. So yes, he isn't very different from the rural common man of our country at all. And the good thing about them is, many a times when the point is strictly put forth in front of them, they actually introspect and are open to learn. 😉


And about initiating this with a personal intention which has nothing to do with society. Totally agree. 👏 But that's how it's always been in all social issue movies - if you closely observe MNIK, PK, Dangal, Lage Raho Munna Bhai - In all these movies the revolution started with mere personal intention. Khan wanted to establish all muslims aint terrorists, but why ? Because he lost his own son. PK went onto exploring the hypocrisy of our society, but why ? Because he lost his machine to go back to his planet. Dangal Mahavir wanted to break the barriers of women getting married at early age or not wearing shorts during pehelwaani, why ? Because it was HIS dream to win Medal for India. Munna wanted to establish Gandhigiri why ? Because he thought that's the best way to win the heroine. 😆 I dont think TEPK would be any different than that. 😉


For me personally, I don't mind what is the intention behind ANY good act even in reality (not just movie). Like even for publicity stunt, if someone decides to feed 100 hungry people, I am up for it 😃. I hardly get something to do anything good for anyone. Some action is always better than NO action. So it doesn't matter to me at all why Keshav started it, what matters is, even if he built ONE toilet and put a full stop to the campaign, that helped someone, or at least 2/3 people at his home - wife, mother, sisters. That's all 😳
Edited by Pehchaan.Kaun - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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here I've seen girls pee on the side of the road when there are toilets available everywhere but they would rather do it in the open, like to show I guess 😉

specially in concerts when there are big ques, they just all sit outside like lota party in this movie, only difference is that they're actually attractive young girls you know and who are down for it 😉 😆

everyone is asking verbally or non verbally like anushka in JHMS, mein tumhare LAYAK hoon ya nahin 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun


Agree. There is a dialog promo - Main usse khule khet dene ke liye taiyaar hoon, jangal dene ko taiyaar hoon, pedh paudhe dene ke liye taiyaar hoon, lekin nahi, usse chahiye ek 4x8 ka 'Sau-cha-laya'. 😆 I think it's also about this man Keshav himself growing as a person in this journey. His stalking and other demeaning stuffs go along with this dialog very well and I am guessing that would be in the first half of the movie until it really gets into his head about how serious this matter can be. So yes, he isn't very different from the rural common man of our country at all. And the good thing about them is, many a times when the point is strictly put forth in front of them, they actually introspect and are open to learn. 😉


And about initiating this with a personal intention which has nothing to do with society. Totally agree. 👏 But that's how it's always been in all social issue movies - if you closely observe MNIK, PK, Dangal, Lage Raho Munna Bhai - In all these movies the revolution started with mere personal intention. Khan wanted to establish all muslims aint terrorists, but why ? Because he lost his own son. PK went onto exploring the hypocrisy of our society, but why ? Because he lost his machine to go back to his planet. Dangal Mahavir wanted to break the barriers of women getting married at early age or not wearing shorts during pehelwaani, why ? Because it was HIS dream to win Medal for India. Munna wanted to establish Gandhigiri why ? Because he thought that's the best way to win the heroine. 😆 I dont think TEPK would be any different than that. 😉


For me personally, I don't mind what is the intention behind ANY good act even in reality (not just movie). Like even for publicity stunt, if someone decides to feed 100 hungry people, I am up for it 😃. I hardly get something to do anything good for anyone. Some action is always better than NO action. So it doesn't matter to me at all why Keshav started it, what matters is, even if he built ONE toilet and put a full stop to the campaign, that helped someone, or at least 2/3 people at his home - wife, mother, sisters. That's all 😳


Thats absolutely true and you put it very eloquently. Hopefully it does achieve its goal and create awareness not just in villages but also about railway tracks. It is such an unwelcome sight especially for foreigners who have to witness some dude taking a dump right next to them LOL.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Biwi mujhe miljaye mein kuch bhi karunga uske liye

Bas biwi miljaye. Koi bhi chalegi 😛
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Posted: 8 years ago
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AGREEE!!!!!!!!
But, this naari izzat is ONE of the facets of promoting the campaign.

IMO, it has it's own value. I agree that the issue basically is hygiene and eradication of open defecation, but it's like one of the reasons why we need to build toilets. :)

Personal dignity is real, very real... it's not just the issue of hygiene, it's also about dignity. Note that I am not undermining hygiene, I am speaking from the POV of 'dignity'.


It's well known that women in rural areas wake up before sunrise and do their duties and have to wait until the dark to relieve their bowels, just in case. It has been said that such habits makes them susceptible to snake bites, other attacks by animals, molestation, voyeurism and so on.

So, this is where naari izzat comes in, as far as my understanding goes.


Like I said, it's just one of the reasons why we need toilets, and not the only or prime reason. :)


PS - Haven't watched the movie, just responded to the OP.






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Posted: 8 years ago
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...and, whatever may be the reason for the character to build toilet, IMO, a man truly knows a woman or starts caring about her problems or issues when they get close in a union like marriage - that is when men usually take note of female issues and try to do something better for them..
I will be a little open here, it's only after you marry especially if you are a rural person, you will know what menstrual cycle is, although you might've heard of it before.

And, for women, to go out in the open during menses is... unimaginable.
What I mean to say is, marriage will bring you close to the woman enough to know the gravity of her issues, much different from men. That is why it starts with doing something for wife, because it's the right thing to do, especially if you can.

Also, it's common for men to care truly when they have a wife, child w.r.t such issues.. (note that I said 'common' and not ALL).


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