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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have followed this show off and on, liking it in bits and pieces because many of the threads in the show intertwine with my personal life. I got married into a family where my husband was the primary financial support of his single parent and family. I have seen how parental obsessives and wanting complete and utter control of the married child causes immense issues in the marriage at all levels..emotional, financial , name it.

This show at times makes me very happy to see some scenarios played on screen that I have faced, at times it brings great sadness, bad memories back, with a sense of despair for who so ever is going through these tough phases of life.When it becomes unbearable, I stop watching the episodes , because it reminds me too much of the bitterness I went through. But happy to say that I am much older now, with a healthy marriage and two sons of my own and am able to see life from its multiple angles and perspectives.

My husband was very much like Dev, it took him 7-8 long years to understand the need to standup for his wife and his family unit in front of rest of the family. Typical mistake he made, and one I have seen Dev making too is to consider " sab apne hai, sab mera accha sochte hain so nothing wrong can happen". WRONG. Our own people, including parents and siblings may not understand us perfectly all the time and may not want what we want. Their own egos and other motivations come into play...and some will not hesitate to use you towards their goals. It took a long time for my husband to understand this reality...by the time he understood, we had been through the worse in our marriage and it would be in shambles...except for our kids who kept our marriage concrete and going. They gave us a purpose to unite and fight for our family unit, keeping aside this my family- ur family stuff. Today I respect my husband more as father of my children because he fought for them, and theirmother to keep the respect of our family intact. That in turn paved the way for us to understand and respect each other as husband and wife all over again.

Most issues arise with- Communication. That is the one single most important thing. Timely communication, to the right person, in the right manner at the right time. That is the crux of relationships. And the second thing, is to give space. Allow space, and people will come back to you.

My husband was very good at his work, job, education , friends, support to his family esp monetary, and good with his relations with me too. The thing that he lacked was communicating correctly between the relationships, esp when important decisions are needed. Luckily for me, unlike Sona I was blessed with children early on and though we struggled with all this for a few years we came out of it knowing that we have to raise our children together. We decided to take care of our elders with their flaws as a couple ,as a unit, and pave the way for a better future for our kids.


Children stabilize the marriage and give it the concrete sense of a unit, after which the husband and wife are connected through blood through the kids. That may not apply to some cases of abuse and physical harassment but to most cases, children make us look to future, to hope.

Having said that, my husband 's support was most critical to me during my pregnancy and delivery. Its a very sensitive time in a girls life, and I have never forgotten the good and the bad my family members said or did during that phase. Because pregnancy makes a woman emotionally and physically vulnerable, and emotional sensitivity is heightened at that time.
Even though I am high qualified IT and Business professional, had tons of self earned money in the bank and was otherwise very healthy, I was reduced to hours of tears and puffy eyes for insensitive remarks made or for the times when my husband wasn't around me due to travel for work.

I am so thankful that my husband took the time to understand, came to prepare childbirth classes, read books and supported me every way he could including learning to cook. Even if I cried for a reason he could not understand, he held me and talked to me till I was pacified.And all this when he is not even a romantic or lovey dovey sort of a guy. He is more of a responsible guy who does things out of knowing he needs to do them.

But this caring side of him brought on the jealous and possessive side of some family members, because of which during my second pregnancy, I had to face some nasty family troubles. That brought the worse phase of my life to my door . Everyone else wanted their own importance , and my husband put me at the bottom of the list to pacify them. Ping pong ball, kabhi yahan kabhi wahan. Issues culminated in bad care post partum , and my marriage came to rock bottom..I struggled with two young kids living with my in laws doing every thing on my own as my husband went to work.
We fought and struggled , until he himself saw how his family functioned and understood that sincerity does not work always, some tough love is necessary.

Its a process of understanding and it does not come in a day. But meanwhile its important to not let go of people who love you. Not once, in all this churning did my husband ask me to leave. Not once..not even in our worst phase when we were living in separate rooms in the house. Rather , once when my parent in law asked me to leave in an angry tirade, my husband intervened to firmly clarify that this is his wife's house , that she is the lady of the house here, and that no one has a right to ask her to leave. We all can be angry, argue or dislike each other but no one asks another to leave in a family.

Dev-Sona Separation

Given all I have seen, I related to Dev Dixit and Sona Bose very easily. Dev has the same communication issues I saw in my husband. Not telling the truth at the right time to right people, getting everybody into problems. . But where I lost Dev was his inability to understand that no matter how things were before, he needs to change now because he is married and a third person has joined the family equation. After marriage the keyword is "we together". We together take care of our room , our house, our finances, our responsibilities. And Sona was coaching him with it. Dev' expectation that he loves everyone so everyone will love him like he wants and get along is not a realistic expectation..thats where exaclty my husband also faltered. Till he learnt to draw boundaries.



Dev -Sona separation was very forced and out of character for their personalities. But the fact that she went through the pregnancy and childbirth and taking care of the baby alone, my heart goes out to her. A lot of people must be thinking why is she alone, her parents and brother are with her right? WRONG. For a married person, spouse holds a huge importance, and esp for a pregnant girl support of husband is the most critical thing. Not matter who else is there with her, she will fee alone because the baby is hers and her husbands and she needs his care. A couple as a unit takes care of pregnancy and baby etc. Not having him, that too when he alive and able to take care of her, but just hates her so much he didn't come after her, that must have been most painful.

Its not Dev's mistake that she went through it alone , though he should have checked if the family was fine after they were kicked out of their home. Basically he thought that she was anyway infertile whats the point in going after her. But each time he utters My daughter Suhana...he annoys me because he didn't think of responsibilities, he thinks of rights. And its a very Dixit family trait..they think of their rights and others responsibilities, not vice-versa.
Rights and Responsibilities come hand in hand.

Rights, come with responsibilities. You have to earn your rights by fulfilling responsibilities properly. Rights cannot be demanded by being biological parent or on basis of hollow authority. Authority needs to be backed up be deeds done to command it. Even courts do not consent such rights. Contrary to popular notion that Dev has equal rights as the father, in a court of law, baby born after separation is not given to father by right.

Atleast now, if Dev chooses to do his responsibilities to Soha and win rights on her, he will be on better path. Starting with offering to take up her financial responsibility . All this while Sona has been mother and father, doing her part at home and outside. He needs to do his part, and tell Sona he will share all responsibilities with her and then talk about Rights.

The topics the show is touching are quite grave and serious. They need to sober up and treat it with delicate and thoughtful measures and not with arrogance and humour. There is nothing to laugh about for a woman who faced criticism for her infertility, was almost told she will be accepted only after she undergoes treatments and have a baby for the family tree, and then when mutual family fights break out, the husband asks her to leave twice, in front of everyone and does not go to get her back.Does not check on her for years but after knowing a daughter was born, he now wants his " rights". Nothing respectable about it, and thats coming from my husband.



Hey friend this s such an awesome post n thanks a lot for sharing your life experience with us.if u dont mind can i post this on twitter so that many other people will also come to know about it n how our show connects wid the real life??
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pramila.harish

Nice post dear.

I liked the way you put the things in. You went through hardship, and you acknowledge it is wrong behaviour instead of considering human flaws. This is the biggest thing at least our next generation won't get to go through this kind of torture.





hi Parmila, every one of us is flawed in a certain way. I like certain preachings of asha, like she says, the tolerance towards others, in general ( be it good or bad behaviour) is what defines us.

her philosophy of i cannot control the others, but i can master my reactions is something that i truly admire. if we can apply this in our daily life, probably we will be more at peace with ourselves.

I am a staunch rebel and will never ask any girl to lie low or put up with any kind of abuse, at the same time i will advise, before you show your anger, think once or twice if the person receiving the wrath of you is worthy of it or not.

I believe that anger and hatred are two very strong emotions than love, they should not be showered on people who are not worth it 😉 nafraat karne ke liye bhi laayak hone chahiye..😆😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: randomramblings


hi Parmila, every one of us is flawed in a certain way. I like certain preachings of asha, like she says, the tolerance towards others, in general ( be it good or bad behaviour) is what defines us.

her philosophy of i cannot control the others, but i can master my reactions is something that i truly admire. if we can apply this in our daily life, probably we will be more at peace with ourselves.

I am a staunch rebel and will never ask any girl to lie low or put up with any kind of abuse, at the same time i will advise, before you show your anger, think once or twice if the person receiving the wrath of you is worthy of it or not.

I believe that anger and hatred are two very strong emotions than love, they should not be showered on people who are not worth it 😉 nafraat karne ke liye bhi laayak hone chahiye..😆😆


I think you took me wrong. I am praising TM, that what she went through still the way criticised wrong doing of dixits. Unlike some people justifying it is ok to bear torture as human flaws. All I want to say probably some one went through hell of torture and they are successful at the end. But what torture went through is not normal. So that need to be addressed instead of saying it is ok to be human flaws. All I want is both couple live with love, care and respect. This husband and wife relation is ultimate relation and cannot be shared or compromised. Hope you understand my pov.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas

Very nice analysis and I agree with most of what you said.

The only thing I disagree with is the idea that Dev had a responsibility to check up on Sona after they separated. If Dev had that responsibility then Sona also had that same responsibility to check up on Dev, which she didn't do either. So for me its not really fair to say that Dev had a responsibility to check up on Sona. As far he knew the Bose family had 5 cr of his investment in Saurabh's business still active, plus 4.5 cr of cheque that he never cashed. Sona was an educated professional with a good paying job. Also when it came to the prenup-- Sona made it clear she didn't want any financial help from him. So to expect him to follow her up to me is a bit unreasonable. He could've checked how she was doing emotionally, just as she could've checked how he was doing emotionally. They both chose not to do that and that was their right.

We talk about right's and responsibilities. But was it really Dev's responsibility to consider the possibility that she could've been pregnant? Even a normal couple can take up to a year to conceive when they are actively trying. We only start to look for infertility issues after one year of trying. Even if Sona was normal, its not a common thought that she would be secretly hiding a pregnancy. This is where I find what Sona did as very selfish. If Dev wasn't there for her during the pregnancy that's because she never told him. She only came when Soha was 6 months old. She never gave him the opportunity to be there for her. She never gave him the opportunity to be there for their child. That's something for me Sona has to accept responsibility for. Even her attempt to tell Dev came across very half hearted to me.

The Dixits rejected Sona... so Sona used that as an opportunity to keep Soha away from Dev. But they never rejected Soha. She is a separate entity from Soha. Sona never gave her child the respect of being an individual. No matter how angry you are with the father of your child... he has a separate relationship with that child and that had to be respected.

Loved your post. Thank you. Agree with every word.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow This thread is amazing with so many real life experiences.I m not married but I know this much that husband's love, support and respect are very important in a relationship for a wife but Dev never did that for Sona.Actually I started hating Dev when he sought of forced Sona to go for infertility treatment and then mocked her for her infertility this are not human flaws but a pathetic behaviour at it's lowest level.I have seen such cases and it breaks my heart, that still today we are not able to give basic respect and love and cherish her for who she is.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: bluejalpari17

@Malikakas,

Sorry, I do not agree with your judgements. In constantly bringing Ishwari, your taking away from couple duties in Dev and Sonakshi. Its not a DIL's job to heal the insecurities of her MIL while her own parents are under attack by the same MIL. If it was an investment there should be no reason to raise such hue and cry from Dixits over it..to the extent of calling Bijoy chor by Mamiji..and then her father gets slapped by her husband at the same sitting. Definitely she will and should think as daughter of Bose family first in that scenario.
A girl who cannot standup for her parents while they are insulted at her in laws house...such a girl cannot uplift her in laws home also. I know this firsthand because I went through similar harrowing experience sans the slap. I know how many sleepless nights it caused and how confused I was between both families.And worse I know how that disrupts your otherwise normal marital life.
As I have too many differences from your analysis..and I feel that your dissection is very theoritical rather than personal or practical experience..
So , I will agree to disagree and will not debate with you anymore.
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Read your story and it was really a touching one, while it took me to the earlier days of my marriage too. I have been through somewhat similar situations too and so, I would disagree with you on two things. Not saying that you are wrong; rather to just point out that the other way also works.

So, the first disagreement comes on your take of the words 'Get Out' from Dev. First of all, whether it is a get out said directly at your face or action or words spoken about you to others behind your back, the most important thing is, the feeling these actions or words creates in you...the feeling of being unwanted...isn't it? Coming to my case, though I never heard a direct get out from my hubby, I had to go through a shocking revelation that my hubby had confessed to my MIL that he was not happy in our marriage. This led to this feeling of being unwanted within me and the fact that he did this on the day our son was born only aggravated that thought within me. I calmed down, analysed the situation and try to understand why, an otherwise caring, understanding & loving person was pushed to this limit. (I have shared my experienced in this thread, dated 22 March 2017. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/141091067 If interested you can read it through). The similarity between Dev's get out & my hubby's confession/frustrated thoughts were that both happened when they were stressed to their limits and had to act impulsively; meaning when they were not their true self. Once I understood it, I could forgive him; but before that itself, he himself had felt bad and ashamed for it and that was the reason he hid it from me for almost 8 months.

Now, the second disagreement is with what you have written and I have bolded in the above post. It's not necessary that only by retaliating to their false accusations that you can uphold your parents reputation. Sometimes by keeping calm also you can quieten their mouths. But for this you need to have a higher tolerance level. I had been through a similar situation. And as in Sona's case, it was not for a huge amount of 5-crore; it was for a silly matter like my father using the car that had gone to collect my hubby from airport, as a lift to complete some document works he had at the same place, because of which my hubby happened to reach home late. My hubby didn't have a problem with this. In that situation, what I did is, gently instructing my parents to leave immediately and from thereon, I made it clear with my hubby that my parents will not be supported in any way, till I got a job.

So, as per what Sona did, in these two situations I also was supposed to walk out of our marriage, which I didn't. Instead, I decided to stay and make things right. Now, I have a happy & beautiful family; my parents are respected; my MIL prefers staying with us. Above all, I am not at all bitter & regretful at heart. And I am happy that I could achieve this all by Gods' grace and the strength He gave me...😊

P.S. Regarding the get out part, I would like to say something in credit to my hubby...After these issues, there were many fights & situations in our life, to which I had told him 2-3 times, if he wanted he could divorce me, sometimes to the level of challenging him. But, he also understood that, I used those words in the heat of the moment and would laughingly shred it off. So, what I meant to say is that, it's not the face value of the words you use; it's how much you understand your partner that will help.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: bluejalpari17

@Malikakas,

Sorry, I do not agree with your judgements. In constantly bringing Ishwari, your taking away from couple duties in Dev and Sonakshi. Its not a DIL's job to heal the insecurities of her MIL while her own parents are under attack by the same MIL. If it was an investment there should be no reason to raise such hue and cry from Dixits over it..to the extent of calling Bijoy chor by Mamiji..and then her father gets slapped by her husband at the same sitting. Definitely she will and should think as daughter of Bose family first in that scenario.
A girl who cannot standup for her parents while they are insulted at her in laws house...such a girl cannot uplift her in laws home also. I know this firsthand because I went through similar harrowing experience sans the slap. I know how many sleepless nights it caused and how confused I was between both families.And worse I know how that disrupts your otherwise normal marital life.
As I have too many differences from your analysis..and I feel that your dissection is very theoritical rather than personal or practical experience..
So , I will agree to disagree and will not debate with you anymore.
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First of all, a big salute to you bluejalpari. Can understand your difficult situation as I have also gone thru it.

Totally agree with your view. A daughter hears her folks being called as thieves, husband saying it is not a big deal then shoving her father because he can't hear what her mother is saying. At that moment no one will analyse her MIL's insecurity!!

The 'get out' is also trivialized by people but they forget the circumstances. A couple who has perfect understanding and few years into their marriage may sometime indulge in 'get out' which neither of the partner take it seriously. But this was no such situation. When you are insulted by all at your in-laws, you expect some kind of understanding from your husband and not another insulting 'get-out'. This is not a trivial issue. Pray, for what she should stay back?

Sona is a strong girl but even a strong girl has weak moment where she needs support. When she came to know about her 7% chance she was at her weakest moment and asked for support from her hubby, which he could not give.

I know it is very easy to blame both the parties but here if people see the issues and problems since day1 and not isolated cases, it is not very hard to guess where the blame lies.


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