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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: randomramblings



Bang on! I had said in another post.. he has sense of entitelment (haq) to everything, responsibilities to nothing & noone, but mother! jab you had no faith, didnt care about 7%, played games with it for mumma..ab kahan se meri Soha.. 7 saal baad 😆

of course, mistakes were made by both.. now is PRESENT.. deal with it! but he cant.. he wants what he wants when he wants how he wants.. and doesnt care who is in the way! thats the value system learned from Ishwari 😡 Just like he had a past of 7 years so did Soha! as usual, in his rush, he will lose the next 7 years.. like he lost with ishwari cause he was rushing to fix ishwari & sona's relationship.. by any means possible!


deal with it.. yeah this statement with respect to Jatin from sona's mouth i do have objections.her justification that Jatin was there for Soha in the absence of dev and he did a lot for them, coupled with the stance that the equation does not need to change now,forces me draw a parallel here.


GKB and family also did a lot for ishwari and dev when sona was not there in their lives and dixits too hold them in high regard, so does it mean sona too had to deal with it!!!
Do we all agree for this? me including i would say a big NO. the equations had to change. Jatin soha equation too will have to change and soha/boses have absolutely no right to object to it.





And sona did deal with it. Did she once ask Dev to kick them out? In fact, as a good sisterinlaw and daughterinlaw of the house, she advised Dev to give intern position to vicky, despite knowing his lack of skills, lack of education and luchagiri. she acted very responsibly and sensibly!!!!

did she once tell Dev that your bro in law harasses me when you are not around... kick that lafangaa out of the house. No, she didn't want a rift between brothers. Plus, she handled Vicky herself and that's why he always hated her and was afraid of her!

Did she once disrespect mamaji cause of his wife and son were always in her business, taunting her, disrespecting her?

Sona didn't even once blame Elena for not standing by her and her family. She forgave everything and invited Elena to saurabh's wedding.

GKB and family ruined bose family and Devakshi. Jatin, so far, has shown no such signs! What CVs have shown, he came in as an old friend in their bad times. He doesn't deserve to be thrown out... cause "asli" baap aa gaya hai and he isn't needed anymore for any financial investment either cause Bose's are successful in business! Equations don't change cause new equations are made in life. And Dev, as a good father, has no right to throw people out of Soha's life cause he doesn't like them.

Why O Why, Dev always wants to live in past. Why can't he just enjoy the moments with Soha... sharing everyone and everything that makes Soha happy... and not be sulky, jealous like his mom. cause someone else is putting a smile on her face. he should be happy seeing her happy!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: randomramblings



Bang on! I had said in another post.. he has sense of entitelment (haq) to everything, responsibilities to nothing & noone, but mother! jab you had no faith, didnt care about 7%, played games with it for mumma..ab kahan se meri Soha.. 7 saal baad 😆

of course, mistakes were made by both.. now is PRESENT.. deal with it! but he cant.. he wants what he wants when he wants how he wants.. and doesnt care who is in the way! thats the value system learned from Ishwari 😡 Just like he had a past of 7 years so did Soha! as usual, in his rush, he will lose the next 7 years.. like he lost with ishwari cause he was rushing to fix ishwari & sona's relationship.. by any means possible!


deal with it.. yeah this statement with respect to Jatin from sona's mouth i do have objections.her justification that Jatin was there for Soha in the absence of dev and he did a lot for them, coupled with the stance that the equation does not need to change now,forces me draw a parallel here.


GKB and family also did a lot for ishwari and dev when sona was not there in their lives and dixits too hold them in high regard, so does it mean sona too had to deal with it!!!
Do we all agree for this? me including i would say a big NO. the equations had to change. Jatin soha equation too will have to change and soha/boses have absolutely no right to object to it.






As audience no Sona shouldn't have to deal with GKB. The point is Sona dealt with it and didn't go to Dev saying why are they here, why can't you build a house or it is okay if they only chacha or mama.
Very conveniently Dev told Bijoy yesterday that Elena was his friend not relative! so at the least he should know the value of a friend!

It is okay to enquire about Jatin but the choice of words and anger is unwarranted for.

What Jatin is to Sona and Soha is exactly what Dev is to Elena and Golu. He should know better!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: jigsaw1234


deal with it.. yeah this statement with respect to Jatin from sona's mouth i do have objections.her justification that Jatin was there for Soha in the absence of dev and he did a lot for them, coupled with the stance that the equation does not need to change now,forces me draw a parallel here.


GKB and family also did a lot for ishwari and dev when sona was not there in their lives and dixits too hold them in high regard, so does it mean sona too had to deal with it!!!
Do we all agree for this? me including i would say a big NO. the equations had to change. Jatin soha equation too will have to change and soha/boses have absolutely no right to object to it.






As audience no Sona shouldn't have to deal with GKB. The point is Sona dealt with it and didn't go to Dev saying why are they here, why can't you build a house or it is okay if they only chacha or mama.
Very conveniently Dev told Bijoy yesterday that Elena was his friend not relative! so at the least he should know the value of a friend!

It is okay to enquire about Jatin but the choice of words and anger is unwarranted for.
What Jatin is to Sona and Soha is exactly what Dev is to Elena and Golu. He should know better!

yeah you and I can draw this conclusion but i dont think dev can arrive at it without hearing straight from horses' mouth. remember golu already told jatin that both dev and him thought that he was her father when they first saw him. coupled with the fact that sona always pitches in jatin, instead of her family whenever she had to deal with soha will definitely leave dev in doldrums. for all that dev knows about jatin - he is sona's bachpan ka dost , an investor in her business. so where is there anyone/anything that is throwing light on jatin - soha bond?

that's why i am saying him questioning is not wrong, and at the same time expecting that it needs to change is also not wrong. i think sona too knows it somewhere that's why she mellowed down when jatin used the words " woh soha ka dad hain"

similarly after hearing her jatin puran even dev too backed off from further argument as he could clearly see where jatin stands. does that stop him from having his own , hell , answer is big NO. even jatin too acknowledges it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#44
Great post !
Agree with you .

I can only blame the makers for messing up the leap .They failed to show Dev and Sona suffering the consequences of their separation. It would have helped us empathize with the characters a little more, without having to go to the trouble of assuming things. I wish they would give us at leat a glimpse into Sonakshi's struggle post separation. Would it be wrong to assume that she would have expected at least one call from Dev ? And what about Dev ? Did he have such expectations ? And I just can't get over the fact that he never looked for her , once she walked out . Again this is an assumption that I am having to make .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: maharathikarna

I perfectly agree to the show as i have seen all the same things going on in my life. Infact you can call mine as male prespective in marriage. I can fully understand dev dixit as i have been in his shoes minus drinking and seperation part. Fortunately our son was born 1 year after marriage. So regardless of what we decided early on to stay in marriage for our son. We have said many insensitive things to other like dev and sona did. But it does not mean that we run packing bags and apply for divorce at first available opportunity.

I have been told that i have communication problems. Its true. But its also true that a male child in india is brought up with firm value that he will be the workhorse for his family and need to protect it from any harm financially or otherwise. Hence mostly we hide if things are getting difficult in life and will never share it with family as long as we can.

Though ishwari might look like a evil person for many people. I fully empathise with her. Her case was much worse being a single mother early on and fighting with world single handedly to bring up her children. Her insecurities are human and i will confidently say that sonakshi will be tomorrow's ishwari. I am not telling story. I have seen it happening multiple times in my family and close circle.

A husband realises quite early in marriage, in my case after 6 months despite my friends warning from earlier that he should keep mum to difference of opinion between wife and mother. Its better to stay away and not get involved. Its only going to end up badly if you get involved. It will get automatically resolved.


Agreed ..men r normally not good at communication and can cause more problem when they interfere in house matters ..but in imp matters its different ..if they r able to take a stand for their wife, either in public or private or secretly, only then the marriage may work ...everyone expect support , respect ,and trust frm their partners...that does not mean parents should be sidelined or disrespected...one has to find a common ground tactfully...tomorrow if dev supports sonakshi and put ishwari in place , he will become a hero overnight ...but that doesnt matter now ..neither for us , nor sonakshi (it shd not matter to her dunno how it will be played out)..they r over r done with those issues...


But i dun agrew with sonakshi becoming another ishwari...if we love our children, like every parent love their children, that doesnt mean they turn into ishwari...actually i hate the makers for spoiling her character , they always show that bec of radha's instigation ishwari acts negative ..what if radha and vicky were not there?imo they r already showing the contrast between ishwari and sona' s parenting..


Currently, i feel dev staying in bose house will help him evolve n learn a lot ..may be in future he realizes his mistakes..n sonakshi in dixit house may be good afterall as suhana will be calling the shots n dev behind her ..sonakshi was always respectful towards ishwari but lets see what she does now..
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Posted: 8 years ago
#46
As i said in my post. I am giving the view from a person who has gone through the grind and learnt the hard way. I am neither trying to glorify any character or assasinate them or any member for having views contrary to what i have experienced.
I ment the policy of non interference in normal routine matters and not when things are going out of hand. I have always believed when you have to put your foot down you have to put it down. Be it against anybody.when things are gonna extreme you have to take the side of wife or mother as case may be. But such extremes do not happen normally.

I have seen many sonakshis becoming ishwaris so thats my POV based on my experiences. I might be wrong also.😊

The question of why marry is a interesting one. The answer for most is, its not having any other option thanks to their parents and relatives working overtime and burning midnight oil for the most important discovery thats finding you a bride.😆. Else the world will end the very next day.

Fortunately my choice of marrying was mine only. Nobody forced me. For problem of single mothers not leaving their children alone after marriage is genuine one. But as with problems during demonitization in india. I can only say it exists and only we can try to reduce it.

P.S: If i have knowingly of unknowingly hurt anybodies sentiments or ego that was not my intention



Edited by maharathikarna - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very nice post.Thank you for sharing your experience.It indeed means a lot and helps to understand various povs.
This show is indeed based on a very serious and interesting theme.The makers are unfortunately making mockery of the whole thing far too often and far too much.

I agree with you when you say that communication is the key to a happy marriage and the key to a relationships. Dev was pretty horrible in communication and Sona was quite bad at it too...Their communication( or lack of it) was definitely a key factor in their break up.

I also completely agree when you say that children bring stability to a marriage.They can actually keep sinking boats afloat.Children are powerful factors in any marriage.

And yes rights and responsibilities..so true..But I have a slightly different take here.I think Dev is trying his best to balance things here.Though he was irresponsible towards Sona before the split up,I would not blame him for not checking on her..I mean who does that after they split?He had no reason to assume she would be pregnant..and she left him of her own free will..She had able parents and a brother,so it is not like she was a damsel in distress...I don't think he can be held accountable for not checking on her after they split..

Currently Dev is walking a tightrope trying to balance a blistering Bijoy on one end and win his daughter on the other.It is similar to the tightrope Sona walked when she got married.In this situation he is doing as much as he can(of course he can do better).But taking financial responsibility is probably not the best way to go about it coz Sona's ego would take it as an affront if he even offered to do that(as I see it).

Sona and Dev definitely need to talk about sharing responsibilities,but currently neither of them seem to be mature enough to do that.They are behaving like spoilt brats.I think both Sona and Dev need to get their act together before they start talking rights and responsibilities.From what has been shown so far,I don't think Sona has done a major part of "mothering" the kid.The major "mothering" seems to have been done by Asha and the ever dependable "Jotin".

Thanks again for sharing your story.Glad to know that things have been sorted out and u r doing well now😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Having read some interesting discussions here, some thing caught me off balance. If we look objectively to dev-sona marriage debacle, due to this failed marriage I feel sona actually gained more and dev lost more.
Let me explain sona always had family support to start with . Like bijoy himself confessed they always gave sona more preference over saurabh. Due to the failed marriage the boses will forever have a nagging guilt that they could not protect her enough and will shower her with more support.

Coming to dev the only relationship he ever had was his mom. Because of failed marriage he lost even this. He could no longer have any support in his life. Leaving aside the prenuptial too i don't think dev -ishwari relationship would have gone back to what it was earlier. Ishwari will forever make dev feel guilty for his choice.

If u can understand, in the bose house this guilt got transferred to the family while at dixit's it got manifold on dev
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice post dear.
I liked the way you put the things in. You went through hardship, and you acknowledge it is wrong behaviour instead of considering human flaws. This is the biggest thing at least our next generation won't get to go through this kind of torture.




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vow..superb
I have followed this show off and on, liking it in bits and pieces because many of the threads in the show intertwine with my personal life. I got married into a family where my husband was the primary financial support of his single parent and family. I have seen how parental obsessives and wanting complete and utter control of the married child causes immense issues in the marriage at all levels..emotional, financial , name it.

This show at times makes me very happy to see some scenarios played on screen that I have faced, at times it brings great sadness, bad memories back, with a sense of despair for who so ever is going through these tough phases of life.When it becomes unbearable, I stop watching the episodes , because it reminds me too much of the bitterness I went through. But happy to say that I am much older now, with a healthy marriage and two sons of my own and am able to see life from its multiple angles and perspectives.

My husband was very much like Dev, it took him 7-8 long years to understand the need to standup for his wife and his family unit in front of rest of the family. Typical mistake he made, and one I have seen Dev making too is to consider " sab apne hai, sab mera accha sochte hain so nothing wrong can happen". WRONG. Our own people, including parents and siblings may not understand us perfectly all the time and may not want what we want. Their own egos and other motivations come into play...and some will not hesitate to use you towards their goals. It took a long time for my husband to understand this reality...by the time he understood, we had been through the worse in our marriage and it would be in shambles...except for our kids who kept our marriage concrete and going. They gave us a purpose to unite and fight for our family unit, keeping aside this my family- ur family stuff. Today I respect my husband more as father of my children because he fought for them, and theirmother to keep the respect of our family intact. That in turn paved the way for us to understand and respect each other as husband and wife all over again.

Most issues arise with- Communication. That is the one single most important thing. Timely communication, to the right person, in the right manner at the right time. That is the crux of relationships. And the second thing, is to give space. Allow space, and people will come back to you.

My husband was very good at his work, job, education , friends, support to his family esp monetary, and good with his relations with me too. The thing that he lacked was communicating correctly between the relationships, esp when important decisions are needed. Luckily for me, unlike Sona I was blessed with children early on and though we struggled with all this for a few years we came out of it knowing that we have to raise our children together. We decided to take care of our elders with their flaws as a couple ,as a unit, and pave the way for a better future for our kids.


Children stabilize the marriage and give it the concrete sense of a unit, after which the husband and wife are connected through blood through the kids. That may not apply to some cases of abuse and physical harassment but to most cases, children make us look to future, to hope.

Having said that, my husband 's support was most critical to me during my pregnancy and delivery. Its a very sensitive time in a girls life, and I have never forgotten the good and the bad my family members said or did during that phase. Because pregnancy makes a woman emotionally and physically vulnerable, and emotional sensitivity is heightened at that time.
Even though I am high qualified IT and Business professional, had tons of self earned money in the bank and was otherwise very healthy, I was reduced to hours of tears and puffy eyes for insensitive remarks made or for the times when my husband wasn't around me due to travel for work.

I am so thankful that my husband took the time to understand, came to prepare childbirth classes, read books and supported me every way he could including learning to cook. Even if I cried for a reason he could not understand, he held me and talked to me till I was pacified.And all this when he is not even a romantic or lovey dovey sort of a guy. He is more of a responsible guy who does things out of knowing he needs to do them.

But this caring side of him brought on the jealous and possessive side of some family members, because of which during my second pregnancy, I had to face some nasty family troubles. That brought the worse phase of my life to my door . Everyone else wanted their own importance , and my husband put me at the bottom of the list to pacify them. Ping pong ball, kabhi yahan kabhi wahan. Issues culminated in bad care post partum , and my marriage came to rock bottom..I struggled with two young kids living with my in laws doing every thing on my own as my husband went to work.
We fought and struggled , until he himself saw how his family functioned and understood that sincerity does not work always, some tough love is necessary.

Its a process of understanding and it does not come in a day. But meanwhile its important to not let go of people who love you. Not once, in all this churning did my husband ask me to leave. Not once..not even in our worst phase when we were living in separate rooms in the house. Rather , once when my parent in law asked me to leave in an angry tirade, my husband intervened to firmly clarify that this is his wife's house , that she is the lady of the house here, and that no one has a right to ask her to leave. We all can be angry, argue or dislike each other but no one asks another to leave in a family.

Dev-Sona Separation

Given all I have seen, I related to Dev Dixit and Sona Bose very easily. Dev has the same communication issues I saw in my husband. Not telling the truth at the right time to right people, getting everybody into problems. . But where I lost Dev was his inability to understand that no matter how things were before, he needs to change now because he is married and a third person has joined the family equation. After marriage the keyword is "we together". We together take care of our room , our house, our finances, our responsibilities. And Sona was coaching him with it. Dev' expectation that he loves everyone so everyone will love him like he wants and get along is not a realistic expectation..thats where exaclty my husband also faltered. Till he learnt to draw boundaries.



Dev -Sona separation was very forced and out of character for their personalities. But the fact that she went through the pregnancy and childbirth and taking care of the baby alone, my heart goes out to her. A lot of people must be thinking why is she alone, her parents and brother are with her right? WRONG. For a married person, spouse holds a huge importance, and esp for a pregnant girl support of husband is the most critical thing. Not matter who else is there with her, she will fee alone because the baby is hers and her husbands and she needs his care. A couple as a unit takes care of pregnancy and baby etc. Not having him, that too when he alive and able to take care of her, but just hates her so much he didn't come after her, that must have been most painful.

Its not Dev's mistake that she went through it alone , though he should have checked if the family was fine after they were kicked out of their home. Basically he thought that she was anyway infertile whats the point in going after her. But each time he utters My daughter Suhana...he annoys me because he didn't think of responsibilities, he thinks of rights. And its a very Dixit family trait..they think of their rights and others responsibilities, not vice-versa.
Rights and Responsibilities come hand in hand.

Rights, come with responsibilities. You have to earn your rights by fulfilling responsibilities properly. Rights cannot be demanded by being biological parent or on basis of hollow authority. Authority needs to be backed up be deeds done to command it. Even courts do not consent such rights. Contrary to popular notion that Dev has equal rights as the father, in a court of law, baby born after separation is not given to father by right.

Atleast now, if Dev chooses to do his responsibilities to Soha and win rights on her, he will be on better path. Starting with offering to take up her financial responsibility . All this while Sona has been mother and father, doing her part at home and outside. He needs to do his part, and tell Sona he will share all responsibilities with her and then talk about Rights.

The topics the show is touching are quite grave and serious. They need to sober up and treat it with delicate and thoughtful measures and not with arrogance and humour. There is nothing to laugh about for a woman who faced criticism for her infertility, was almost told she will be accepted only after she undergoes treatments and have a baby for the family tree, and then when mutual family fights break out, the husband asks her to leave twice, in front of everyone and does not go to get her back.Does not check on her for years but after knowing a daughter was born, he now wants his " rights". Nothing respectable about it, and thats coming from my husband.



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