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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lilac_N_Maple

I like your point.

That's the reason as to why I never liked any of Gul's shows. The male leads of her shows are always half mad, and borderline abusive both physically and mentally. They are apparently 'misunderstood' men. The heroines are the epitome of goodness and naivete. And they, very unsurprisingly, change them and repair their broken souls.

But again, Maya is a notch above. She's not merely arrogant and misunderstood. She can be downright dangerous - even if she's not the killer of Ashwin and the pundit, we can't overlook the fact that she's repeatedly made attempts to kill.
And it's extremely difficult to live in a toxic relationship where you can't stand your wife. So I don't blame Arjun for wanting a way out. A suffocating long relationship can take a toll on you. Moreover Arjun has always been a "duffer" , literally. Understanding Maya and helping her cure is not something he can do, not at all.



For me Arjun is always a duffer. He wanted luxary and high life.

He was highly depend on Sanj from begining. sanj was his comfort zone. He took it always granted.
But Maya he lacked depth. he got attarcted by power and wealth.
For a selfish person like Arjun he can't have all
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Posted: 8 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: soumya04

if arjun would have been obsessive one, her wife action would have been totally depended on the type of person she was, not every girl is same.

maya needs professional help. outsiders can't force her and the people she loves are not strong and smart enough, that's her tragedy and that's what make this show a thriller, which was supposed to be, not some normal bad girl good boy.
everyone need love and maya need love along with professional help. i hope they will also show proper healing story, that would be also new on television.


Proper haeling story depends on trps. Most likely Maya ends up killed or mental asayulm like Viraj Dobriyal.
This is indian telly. They will never show maya cured
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Posted: 8 years ago
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But whitewitch this is the PH who made a rape victim face the rapist, slap him, push him and hit him to make him unconscious most interestingly playing an abla nari and extracting a confession from him that he raped her before she shows her Kaali roop. The PH who made a rape victim come to the court a second time and tell the world the man standing in front of her had indeed raped her. It had taken all the courage in the world for her to come back second time in front of the court and demand justice.
The PH who made a shierking Payal Mitra put in a mental asylum finally stand up for herself. There was no rape apology. The male lead never talked about marriage of the rapist and the girl who raped him to protect the family's honor. He went for the neck of his cousin brother when he knew the truth. There was no rape apology. It was properly shown as rape a crime

So I wont rule out healing in this case also because of the PH. But TRPs will decide how long the show will run. As people dont have patience to watch out such shows where you need some sort of patience.

Swabhimaan yes I have watched but not regularly as I lost connect with it. Junoon was another bindaas show I had watched in DD at that time.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: shahsb_26

Do anyone remember a show called "Dil Se Di Dua... Saubhagyavati Bhava?"
If not, then do search for LifeOk's show starring Sriti Jha and Karanvir Bohra

So had the role been reversed that's what we would have got.

When things are difficult they are difficult, there is no role of gender. In that show, Janvi too moved on to find someone worthy, totally not happy about it.

I am not gonna be gender biased here, but be it Indian show or any other drama, most of it have their own ways of perception of portraying psychological illness, which is sad! Being into the field of psychology, these are the reasons why have I decided to give them a try. These are not simple topics to be taken lightly.

Well, it's different that in both the shows, "Beyhadh" and "Dil Se Di Dua.." main leads were the one suffering from the "harmful" illness, and in most of the shows, all the villians, and third angles have these inclinations, which are obviously ignored by makers and fans bash "evil" and "villians". So in that matter these two shows are different as leads are the sufferers.

What I expect is a good message to be given out to not ignore such people. Honestly more then "Love" they need healing. Analysis and guidance, which NONE of the show so far ever portrayed on television, some movies did. But looking at the show, I have 0 expectations.

The hero of Karanvir Bohr in this show beat, bound, inflicted burns his wife, and in the end seems to have killed
Maya only constantly watches Arjun
Do you seriously compare them?😕
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Darling_

Excellent post. That's what I said in other post too.


I like the current track since that's what I signed up for to see Maya's obsession. My only reason is they might make Maya villain, and that's not what they promised. So it's hard to watch the show in peace knowing most likely they will give a wrong message on so many levels and make the female lead as a villain. What will be the difference between this show and other shows then? We have already seen thousands time villains as obsessed with the other lead and after them for love, and the white character comes and save the lead except that here Saanjh isnt even white yet they think she is. And they call this unique when we see this everyday on other shows.
There are many happy with this track as for them this will mean Maya is a villain and their Saanjh can be the herione and they can get Saajun as end game. They are used to typical Indian shows and want the same here. They can't handle Mayas character as grey, so for them she's a villain and if she's not right now , they want her to turn that way.

However, some are genuinely happy with this track as for them that's what they were promised with which I am happy too, but they don't get why some like me are at the same time complaining even if we like the track. It's for the exact same reason that CVS are trying to make the show like other shows and diverting away from what they had promised. Showing obsession is fine as we want that and we're promised that but not at the expense of Maya's character and the show's concept. Majority don't want Maya as a villain. This show runs by Maya and her character. And if they ruin that to make her a typical villain, the show will be gone too and become a typical Indian show where we see vamp after the male lead for love. The show will be completed gone by then.

And like you said, if the roles were reverse, I can bet majority wouldnt want the wife to leave such a husband and change him like we have seem thousand of times in other shows. But when the wife has problems, many want the husband to leave the wife and even justify physical abuse. Honestly, I don't blame Arjun except the part about physical abuse and all. Anyone in Arjun's place would feel suffocated. But I don't understand why is he not taking her to a doctor or getting her helped. He's her husband and that's the least he can do instead of abusing and torturing her like that. That's sick and low. Seeing Maya's condition, she doesn't even know she's doing anything wrong. For her it's normal to love her husband that way, so how can he torture her when she doesn't even think she's doing any wrong and thinking she's just loving him. What were those promises for? Is this what his so called love for? But then I could expect this from him. He used to manhandled Vandana and Saanjh too and did the same with Maya once in office. That's why I used to hate those scenes even though Vandana and saanjh were wrong and Sanjh deserved that slap and more but from her mom, not from Arjun. I knew at those times he will be the same with Maya too if he can do to them whom he has know for life. He loves himself in the end and doesn't know how to work for the problems when they arise. He instead wants to run away, gets angry, have ego, and all.. Remember how he had all the dreams of being successful and rich but just didn't want to work for it. He would quit the jobs for one reason or another. It was mentioned in the beginning of the show by Saanjh and she had to drag him to stick to his new job. He basically just wants an easy life, don't want to work for anything, and just don't want any stressful situations to deal with. Basically an immuture, egoistic, and shallow guy.


kesa physical abuse , sirf manhandling n pushing pulling huyi , torture n abuse kanha huya , khuch bhi , wo ladki pagal hai uske sath kon rahega
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavsy

Excellent post. If the roles are reversed, Maya would do everything to heal him. Even if he has hidden the fact & married her, she would still be loyal to him. This is how the Indian women are! The Indian women are known for their dedication. That is the reason why even the foreigners prefer them. They cling to their spouses no matter how they treat her be it like a doormat or beating or manhandling. In the current track, Maya's obsession is seen but the positive side of this obsession is her loyalty and dedication. She is dedicated to him though she is controlling him and keeping an eye on every petty thing like installing the cc camera in the entire house including the restroom. Even the restroom is not spared. I know this is too much and it is very much toxic that makes Arjun suffocate and break off everything. But loyalty and dedication are there. Plus Arjun is getting all the materialistic things here. He always wanted a luxurious life and was ready to to to any extent to get it. Now, it is the same person who wants to get rid of Maya who is giving him what he wants though his movements are restricted. The question is if Maya divorces him, will he hand over her property to Maya or leave her without returning her property? She can leave Arjun if she makes up her mind. One of her dialogues, log yahan apni marjee se aate hain lekin mere marjee se jaate hain. It means that she will leave him only when it comes to her heart. So this is the similarity between the original role and the reversed role. So if Arjun was facing these issues, Maya would still be dedicated to him.


Exactly
How many serials have we seen in which the guy forces or blackmails the girl to marry him.There was a serial in which the guy forced a girl to marry him at gunpoint forgot the name now.But still these turn in to great love stories with happy endings.Because like you said a wife cant ever leave her husband no matter what she has to fall in love with him.But same rules don't apply to husbands.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laska


The hero of Karanvir Bohr in this show beat, bound, inflicted burns his wife, and in the end seems to have killed
Maya only constantly watches Arjun
Do you seriously compare them?😕


Janvi was innocent woman
And viraj was pure evil. His crimes were never pardonable how much hot he looked.
Here Arjun was never a saint. He had his motives for marrying Maya
Till now Maya have not stooped to viraj s level
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata


Exactly
How many serials have we seen in which the guy forces or blackmails the girl to marry him.There was a serial in which the guy forced a girl to marry him at gunpoint forgot the name now.But still these turn in to great love stories with happy endings.Because like you said a wife cant ever leave her husband no matter what she has to fall in love with him.But same rules don't apply to husbands.


This why I never like Gul mata shows
The way she handled QH she tested my patience to maximum.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: Laska

The hero of Karanvir Bohr in this show beat, bound, inflicted burns his wife, and in the end seems to have killed
Maya only constantly watches Arjun
Do you seriously compare them?😕



Yes, I do! Because that's how Psychological shows are based upon. If she isn't physically abusing Arjun, but so far (IN THE SHOW) she is definitely shown to have that potential of hurting him as well... She can hurt anyone around, and had Arjun been some quiet and "submissive" kinnda male lead, she might have! So here, she is shown to be hurting Arjun in extremely different ways, by spying constantly, forcing herself everywhere, ignoring his pleas to let him be free, etc. She pretty well knows, physically hurting and abusing him, or burning him won't even hurt him anymore😆😆

Hence Yes! I am seriously comparing these two shows and definitely had the roles been reversed, this is exactly what you could have expected. 😛
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata


Exactly
How many serials have we seen in which the guy forces or blackmails the girl to marry him.There was a serial in which the guy forced a girl to marry him at gunpoint forgot the name now.But still these turn in to great love stories with happy endings.Because like you said a wife cant ever leave her husband no matter what she has to fall in love with him.But same rules don't apply to husbands.


Thank you for understanding my point. in other shows, it has been the other way round. In IPKKND, Arnav had married Khushi forcefully but it has become a magic. Many are liking that couple and are even waiting for the next season. In IB, Shivaay had forcefully married Anika threatening that her brother will be killed if she does not marry him. But they fell for each other. Even they are control freaks. But when Maya does the same, some people don't like it.

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