The European Directors Not Quite Out Yet : BOI - Page 7

While I agree that there are directors who are faux intellectual, I disagree that they are aping European directors. Not even close I think.

Originally posted by: -DZ-

^^^ SLB Legend is really funny😆

I heard some single screen jantas set fire in theaters after watching khamoshi, they did lots of damage to seats, etc.
like how we laughing at rangoons and vishal today, I heard same was happening during khamoshi days.

btw..have u seen guzaarish?
😆

Originally posted by: briahna

I heard some single screen jantas set fire in theaters after watching khamoshi, they did lots of damage to seats, etc.
like how we laughing at rangoons and vishal today, I heard same was happening during khamoshi days.

btw..have u seen guzaarish?
😆

Bold really ? Never herd of it 😲
No have not seen it...the topic is too depressing for me
I mean mercy killing

Originally posted by: -DZ-

Bold really ? Never herd of it 😲
No have not seen it...the topic is too depressing for me
I mean mercy killing

believe me janta got so depressed after watching 2hrs of patekar and seema biswas julgalbandi, they took their frustration on bechara theater seats.
and we all know legend SLB, is OTT ki dukaan/bhandaar.sabh ko KHAMOSH karr diya, bilkul. imagine the haal of single screen waale, how they must have recovered after complete khamoshi.


😆

lets call it a niche movie kaho 😆
I think it bombed at boxoffice

Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic

Yes, I know what you said. And look at what I said. Those filmmakers who copy Korean movies don't go hooting around about their knowledge of cinema. They copy these movies, yet don't pretend to be custodians of cinema like some do. There are some who blame Indian audiences for not having "sensibilities." That's low.

About Kabir, of course he's a successful filmmaker. He delivered the 2nd most watched movie since Gadar (1st is Dangal). Salman hasn't had an ATBB since HAHK (or Dabbang whomever you may trust), and BB is this epic ATBB. ETT too is among the biggest Hits of the decade. Then there's Kabul Express and New York - one's a Hit and another was Below Average? Only Phantom flopped. Would you call such a director unsuccessful?

On Basu, what does BOI's criticism of Basu have to do with JJ? He delivered a beautiful Hit movie with Ranbir in Barfi. It's perhaps Ranbir's best movie and Basu will never be able to top it. Yet, Basu is part of a gang that talks about Indian sensibilities, storytelling style, etc. He criticizes traditional Indian cinema. That's the reason why BOI included his name and not someone like Motwane - who has a more refined style, but at least he doesn't express it as openly as Basu.

On CE/HNY, HNY was a crappy movie. I didn't like CE either (except Deepika in it), but you could understand why people liked CE. I think it's one of SRK's worst movies, but it worked. So, something must have clicked. As a neutral, I loved Veer Zaara. Dil Se is one of my favorite movies ever. People say VZ was melodramatic. Of course, it was. But it clicked, didn't it? And that's the most important thing: it should click.

About Zoya, in KWK, she said how she loved LBC becoming such a critically acclaimed movie. When the same critics criticized her DDD, she's now questioning critics and acting all snooty. Zoya's movies don't work at the BO and nor does she produce exceptional movies. Zindagi was great. DDD was semi decent and LBC was mere indulgence. Regardless, I think you can gauge from her interviews how pompous she is and the only reason she's a filmmaker is because of her father and brother. Simple.

On SLB, this guy is a legend. He's made an all-time classic like Khamoshi and since has consistently delivered good movies whether it's HDDCS, Devdas, Black, Guzarish, or BM. Guzaarish and Black were "off-beat" movies, but mostly - SLB has always been someone to balance commercial and art cinema. And, Saawariya isn't a noir movie. Noirs are dark thrillers with everyone being a shady character.

If you have time watch Double Indemnity (1944). It's one of the best noir movies ever.

Ultimately, it's one thing to watch Hollywood or European cinema.. It's another to try and bring it to Bollywood. Even if you do, people could just accept it. But filmmakers here start blaming audiences' sensibilities when their movie doesn't work - and those guys are the likes BOI mentioned in their article.

Movies "clicking" is only the most important thing if you just care about box office. It makes sense for BOI to look at it like that since it's a business/numbers site.

Originally posted by: The_Dictator

In my contray, if Boxofficewadiya.com write such shitshul we cut off bilbul of writer.

For once I want to send this writer to your contrary 😆

Originally posted by: pallavi25

When did Basu criticize traditional Indian cinema or talk abt Indian sensibilities in a negative way? 😕 Before coming to movie direction, Basu had directed many successful desi serials and popular TV ads, if he was so snooty abt Indian sensibilities he would not have directed those TV serials and ads

Fact is Basu is one of those few directors who can give feel good movies with both content and entertainment and really great music as well.[/quote]

Basu has, on record, criticized Salman and how the "interval system" in India affects smooth filmmaking. Kashyap and Basu both talked about this. You have to remember though - Basu was originally in Bhatt camp. It's only during Kites, he started talking of a different narrative.

I do agree that Basu has delivered some great movies (Life in a Metro, Barfi, and Gangster). He's a maha-chor though. But as long as you create something like Barfi, who cares?

See, when I look at movies - I see how well tuned a director is with what he wants to stay. Every director has his or her own idiosyncrasies. Kabir is fixated with war. Raju Hirani loves satire. Karan Johar loves romance and unrequited love. SLB is obsessed with MEA. Imtiaz Ali is also obsessed with romance.

It's a philosophy for them. If you were a filmmaker, you'd have one area that you'd love than the rest. It's the same with every filmmaker. I don't think we can criticize that.

On the other hand, BOI is amazed that Barfi grossed 100+ crores because Barfi is very unlike the traditional narrative they like to expose. In fact, Barfi is one of those rare movies that have done well despite not being typically "desi" in its style. That's why BOI includes it as an exception.

I'm not defending BOI, dude. I just think they have a point and they're not being able to express it properly.


[QUOTE]The last named director even has a 100 crore nett grosser but how it happened only god knows. A Barfi! can always work regionally (specifically Mumbai, Bangalore and Kolkata) but how the numbers came in Punjab and Delhi city to take to 100 crore is just a one of those unexplained things and happens once in a decade or even once a century. The issue is not that it happened but it was probably taken as real even though the horrible television results should put doubt there about the real appreciation of the film.

Their entire tone and language above is so biased and hateful. As if Barfi didnt deserve the success it got and was a mere fluke. It connected with Indian ethos thats why it was a superhit.

This article seems to be written by a completely biased, idiotic person who only supports commercial masala movies and hates it when movies like Barfi get success.

I agree - always have - that BOI's tone is always offensive. The content, however, isn't. We have the likes of Zoya Akhtar whom you'd dislike if you ever talked to her in person. She is among those entitled filmmakers - backed by their families - who will get lots of chances just because she's an insider. God, if I could be an AD in her movie, I'd make her cry. She sounds so pompous. Her friend, Reema Kagti, directed one of my fav movies of the decade (Talaash). Zoya has one good movie (ZIndagi), yet she acts like she's Scorsese of Indian cinema. Like wow.

The problem I have is..



Oh trust me, you're talking to the king of flop movies here. My fav movies (Bollywood) are Khamoshi, Dil Se, AAA, Lamhe, DevD, etc. That's not the point BOI is trying to prove.

For them, a good movie is something that is accepted at the BO. The problem with that site is a lack of a strategic writer who can explain these things clearly. That's why they come across stupid at times. Otherwise, some of the articles - when they're not biased - are very productive and revealing. We can't deny that some filmmakers are overtly trying to forge a European narrative, or are discrediting Indian movies - just because they like something else.

BOI and current generation of moviegoers shd realize that BO success depends on a whole lot of factors, just cursing a few directors for making so called European movies doesnt solve the mystery of audience acceptance or rejection.

Only correct thing BOI said here was budget of niche or content movie without big stars shd be kept low...but for saying that they didnt have to diss Barfi or Basu or Zoya or Imtiaz. That just shows their bias and hateful agenda.

BOI, as a whole, isn't hateful of individuals. They're biased, but they're also concentrated. They dislike the Anurag Kashyap or Zoya Akhtar band. These people who want to teach filmmaking to Bollywood and fans.

Success is relative, of course. BOI doesn't care or know about art movies or cinema as art. All they care about is business. So, we shouldn't expect BOI to consider film as an art form, or a personal journey. It's numbers for them.

Yet, if BOI is biased, the "modern elite" filmmaker is biased too. India is a huge country. We have our own narratives and movies that cater to our culture and society. Don't expect Indians to compromise with that and accept European narratives because it's accepted worldwide. In fact, I feel some filmmakers would rather enslave us to Western norms than help Indian cinema grow.

That's why I appreciate the likes of Hirani, SLB, Kabir, Imtiaz, etc. because their movies are rooted. They're not pretentious in the way they tell stories.