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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh you do have full right to make a post on any character you choose and defend anyone you like. And for sure you don't have to think identical to myself. I don't know if you know. I like even the comment that challenges my thoughts in my post even while I was arguing against their thinking except when someone makes a post without any logic behind their reasoning and just is being disrespectful.

The reason there were so many people who had to speak up here because in this particular post you generalized the entire concept for feminism and not just a particular person having a different view from yours.

It's fine if you don't identify as feminist and believe that men and women should get equal rights (although I don't know why any woman won't want that. But whatever). But this is a huge issue for countries across the world and not just India and for some women who don't want to be discriminated but is discriminated in every day life, it's more important than religion.

Like I said it's obviously important to your favourite character Neha. But you are defending Ishwari for discriminating her. How can you defend one without accusing another? Can you defend an abused and abuser both at the same time? Neha had as little choice in her discrimination as Dev did.

Anyway, that's irrelevant. You can do whatever you want.

You don't have to like feminists. But don't trivialize their input in society. Without them (both men and women feminists) us women would still be married off like property at an young age and treated like second class citizen without any law or government or society to protect us.

You don't have to look too far in the past to see how far women have come and if you read the news from Iceland where every women walked out of their job to protest equal pay, you will know how far we still have to go.

Just in case you want to check out the news. Google Iceland and equal pay where women are only paid 14% less pay than men in a uber Feminist country of Iceland (unlike the rest of the world where the gender pay equity is much lower). But instead of being satisfied or finding excuses why men should be paid more, they will work 14% less.

If tomorrow the women in Iceland get equal pay for equal work, they will have these women to thank.

Us modern women should salute feminists like Vidyasagar who made widow remarriage a law, Ram Mohon for stopping Sati ritual, numerous suffragettes for fighting for women's voice. The freedom we are enjoying is because of those feminists.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

@ Tia
g Ishwari and Neha for all their flaws, you just disproved your point, not the Feminists of the forum. So show the same justice you want to see in others
Tia, I criticised Dev many times in many posts may be you are not aware of them. I never supported his actions. I blamed the CVs also for the downfall of that Charecter in my posts like" Dev Dikshit not spared"
So if you think I am safeguarding him by not bringing him into the picture it is false.. This post I chose to talk about Iswari Neha and Sona. I have every right to decide the scope of my post.If you still think that I am sparing him because I favour him,I can't help. I love Shaheer not Dev.

Like many want to understand the Charecter of Sona and defend her action,I feel for Iswari and Neha and I am entitled to my choice. For you Sona revealing Neha's tissue in the hall is not at all wrong for me it is. Similarly Iswari is wrong for you she may not be so for me.
So we can't come to any middle path and merge our school of thought because we don't think alike. That is the fact.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Lakshmi after a long time just came to the forum to check out and bang your post. I read through it. It is a wonderful post. I am not watching the show.

But I know one thing. Ishwari has insecurities, so does Neha. And Sona was in that house. She knows everyone. Has seen everyone. Also in one promo it was shown Dev tried to commit suicide for Sona.
If Sona is a woman with some brain she will not marry Dev. Emotional blackmail is a worst trait in a man and he can use it anytime to make you bend to your demand. Also she experienced first hand Ishwari was insecure about her when the marriage broke the first time. Why do you want to end up in such a house.
If you become the DIL of such a house then what comes your way is your choice. Don't cry, shout or make an issue of it. Unfortunately no sympathies for Sona.
But don't worry. In IF you go against the leading lady there will be enough bashers, because that is feminism. Everything leading lady does have to be approved.
I am a feminist and I am proud to say I am a feminist. But that doesn't mean I will support logic less female characters of indian TV.

Shruti , great to see you after a long time. Icing on the cake your lines that boosted my morale. Unfortunately for me I always find fault with Sonakshi's behaviour. I can't come to terms with the decline in her Charecter graph . It really started with great promise offering hope that it will be a path breaking female Charecter on Indian Television. But sadly it turned out to be like another Gopi,Ishita or Akshara of Saas Bahu Sagas. Inconsistent,unprofessional,insensitive and obsessed in love.Sonakshi the sensible,practical and principled lady had gone into oblivion.CVs long live.
Thanks friend for your good words. Hope to see you again.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Lakshmi after a long time just came to the forum to check out and bang your post. I read through it. It is a wonderful post. I am not watching the show.

But I know one thing. Ishwari has insecurities, so does Neha. And Sona was in that house. She knows everyone. Has seen everyone. Also in one promo it was shown Dev tried to commit suicide for Sona.
If Sona is a woman with some brain she will not marry Dev. Emotional blackmail is a worst trait in a man and he can use it anytime to make you bend to your demand. Also she experienced first hand Ishwari was insecure about her when the marriage broke the first time. Why do you want to end up in such a house.
If you become the DIL of such a house then what comes your way is your choice. Don't cry, shout or make an issue of it. Unfortunately no sympathies for Sona.
But don't worry. In IF you go against the leading lady there will be enough bashers, because that is feminism. Everything leading lady does have to be approved.
I am a feminist and I am proud to say I am a feminist. But that doesn't mean I will support logic less female characters of indian TV.


Shruthi dear, you have just confessed that you are not watching the show and still agreeing to what all has been written about the characters. Ok i agree you must have followed the show earlier and must have seen the promos too.

But recently there has been a lot of developments and changes in the character. I don't know about the other forums. But here in KRPKAB forum, the scenario is different. We don't bash anybody just because they are going against the leading lady or male of the show. We here discuss the mistakes made by our lead characters too and we get disappointed with their behaviors and actions sometimes.

But as you have said you have not been active here and also not following the show. I don't think you can just read a post and declare all the others who don't agree with it to be wrong.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: srilotus

Here i m talking about Sonakshi only bcoz baakiyon ke baare mein jitna kaha jaaye kam hai.
I totally agree with u ki Sonakshi ko apne parents se Neha ke baare mein baat nahi karni chahiye thi.I don't know how many are marrieds here...but har married girl mujhse agree karegi ki after marriage humein ek general rule zaroor follow karna chahiye ki sasural ki baat apne ghar pe na ki jaaye...it not only tarnish ur image but also ur husband's image in ur own family.
chahe Neha sunti yaa nahi ,Sona ko apni family ki baatein bahar nahi batani chaiye thi.
My POV only.

Thanks a lot. That is my point. Atleast she should have done it in privacy.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Before I respond to your post let me tell you that I don't understand the term feminism beyond a certain point. But I understand Equality better. According to the def it implies women fighting for their due rights. But we all are entitled to fight for our rights if they are denied to us, we all are allowed to voice our opinion when some important decisions are taken by our family. We can live our life in our own terms. All this irrespective of whether we are men or women.


Originally posted by: ltelidevara

I am not a feminist. Let me declare. In fact I hate the word itself. Contrary to popular belief that women need to fight for their rights I say a person needs to fight for his or her rights.

But today feminism has taken a beating with mostly women using it in the wrong sense. It became a slogan raised as per the option and convenience.

Feminists also have their own agenda . They want to chose for whom they want to raise their voice.
Just this is an interesting study about the change of colours feminism went through in supporting the charecters of our favourite show Kuch Rang Pyar Ki.

Cambridge Dictionary defines Feminism as

" The belief that women should be allowed the same rights,power and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way or the set of activities intended to achieve this state."

So how are our charecters treated by progressive,people with feminism as their basic trait let us see.
Sorry I fail to see how feminism or feminists in our forum have treated Sona, Neha or Ishwari differently. If so why would they do so. M sure Sona has bashed fairly when she has like an emotional fool. I remember ppl have supported Neha whenever she has voiced her opinion and stood her ground. And Ishwari was equally sympathised during Devakshi Marriage ( specially regarding non-veg food and Sonakshi's lehenga)


Iswari Dikshit Right now the most hated Charecter on the forum. Every move of her is branded as manipulative ,scheming and mentally sick by the feminists and others also.Iswari toiled hard to help Dev reach the position he achieved. She is blamed for taking away Neha's right to progress. The glaring reality that Iswari could not afford making both study is conveniently overlooked.Iswari's hard work,her fight as a single woman was never acknowledged. Instead she is accused of being partial to Dev . She invested on Dev because he will look after the family later. So she is selfish in doing so. That is the verdict. If it is so then all the parents will be called selfish only.
Of course she she has toiled hard, made sacrifices to feed her family. She was a single mother in abject poverty and four kids to take care of. ANd could not afford to send Neha to school. Dev seemed more promising who was ready and capable to shoulder the responsibilities. And Ishwari being a conservative person believed that her only son would be there to support and care for her in her oldage. Evey parent think like that. Nothing wrong with that. But most parents don't demand this from their children. Demanding is also not wrong but Ishwari has a unique way to do this. She demands his attention by becoming ill by spoiling her health. ANd mind you she does not do this for family she does this simply so that Dev leaves all his commitments to spend time with her. Another way to keep her son close to herself is by constantly reminding him his responsibilities and above all by reminding that she has showered more love on him than his sisters. So he owes it to her eternally. She conveniently forgets that Dev takes good care of the family fulfils all needs and required before being asked. She knows this as a mother.

But Sonakshi's presence makes it difficult for her to deal with it. She knows that Sonakshi is a good-hearted girl and that probably why Dev will neglect his family or his mother.
If we know a person is bad then there are r two ways to confront them. 1. Become bad like them to teach them a lesson. or 2. Be good and show them the right direction.
But if a person is good then there is no question of confronting them.
But our dear Ishwari aunty finds it a threat. Now you might call this normal, but the actions from this "normal " behaviour might be too much too handle if you know what I mean.
My sister is a divorcee. She faced so much then came out of the marriage. She has a good job. But no children.My mother says you are blessed with everything she is denied everything. Does that mean my mother envies my happiness? Never.
Iswari is called names. She is disgustingly referred to as GF and mocked at by all progressive minded people.She is criticised for holding power on the house and Dev. So I feel the feminists and others do not consider Iswari fit to be supported.

Yes she's definitely holding the power in dixit house. What's there to disagree. You don't have to be feminist or non feminist to prove that. Dev got influenced by her speech on ehsaan and decided, no sorry he begged Vicky to join him as a project manager. It is a wrong decision by all means. Ishwari made him to change the decision when she got to know that Sona had adviced him earlier.

I know she's not like other ususal MILs on tv who constantly plot against their DILs... her insecurities are constantly underplaying and she instantly comes up with a plan to reassure herself of the position she holds in Dev's life. the latest being then HM getting cancelled. ( Trust me M not feeling bad for Devakshi here, its Ishawari m worried about).

honestly what is there to pity her. The pahse has long passed where we could sympathise with her or understand her. but is she really trying to deal with her insceurutiies.
Neha. The unfortunate sister of Dev took wrong decisions and is back in Dikshit house.She is uneducated. She lost her years in helping her siblings. Her husband could not provide a satisfied life for her.
People who really want to fight for women will definitely try to understand Neha. We were not shown the incidents that lead to her decision to come back.Hardly two weeks over I think since she reached her mother's place. Already people started complaining about her ways.
Why should she sulk? Why should she cry over her bros HM?
Why can't she think of learning some thing? Why can't she stand by herself?
Why should she make a scene and blame Sonakshi in the pre cap?


I read in another thread how could Neha dare to blame Sona standing in her house? Really? People who call themselves liberal could question a daughter or sister's right to feel her parental house as her own? Isn't it odd to say so? Tomorrow if Sona leaves Dev and goes back to Bijoy won't he let her be happy rightfully there? Can Saurav's wife say it is not Sona's home at all?

Every daughter though married still belongs to her parents. No one can question her right to stay there. Neha Ria Nikki every one has the right to stay at Iswari mansion along with Sona. I disagree with the argument that a brother has no such responsibility like a father does. A son replaces the father after the father passes away or if he retires from his duty.
Coming to feminists they should uphold Neha's right to live with her family as long she wants to.
But I observed all the support and sympathies are meant only for Sonakshi but not any one else.

Sonakshi: Well I am the only one who finds fault with whatever she does . And I am not ashamed of it.
If we take just the instance that may be shown Today I found it irritating when Sona revealed the issue of Neha to her parents that too in the public place . Isn't it Neha's personal matter? Did Sona think a minute before doing so? Or it would have been better if she took her parents to her room and spilled the beans. Still our feminists supported the act by saying Sona was in shock Hence she did so.
But the same people are finding fault with Neha for blaming Sona rightfully. And they are eagerly waiting to see Dev support Sona today.

Every woman Charecter is naturally flawed. Why show sympathy towards one and hatred towards others? If you are feeling bad towards the cancellation of HM feel bad for Neha whose marriage is on the verge of being broken. If you say Neha is responsible for her situation Sona also is responsible for nourishing a dream that can be termed as untimely
Let Iswari be understood and sympathised despite her insecurities.

Let Neha be pitied for the precarious condition she brought herself into.

I don't need to tell about Sona because she is the golden girl who will get all the concern and love.

Finally feminism should not be restricted to favouritism.

It is not optional.

So treat all the flawed charecters equally.Let opportunities,rights and power be equally distributed or attributed to Iswari,Neha and Sona. There lies propriety. There lies justice.



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Before I respond to your post let me tell you that I don't understand the term feminism beyond a certain point. But I understand Equality better. According to the def it implies women fighting for their due rights. But we all are entitled to fight for our rights if they are denied to us, we all are allowed to voice our opinion when some important decisions are taken by our family. We can live our life in our own terms. All this irrespective of whether we are men or women.


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