Feminism A Reality Or A Myth?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am not a feminist. Let me declare. In fact I hate the word itself. Contrary to popular belief that women need to fight for their rights I say a person needs to fight for his or her rights.
But today feminism has taken a beating with mostly women using it in the wrong sense. It became a slogan raised as per the option and convenience.

Feminists also have their own agenda . They want to chose for whom they want to raise their voice.
Just this is an interesting study about the change of colours feminism went through in supporting the charecters of our favourite show Kuch Rang Pyar Ki.

Cambridge Dictionary defines Feminism as

" The belief that women should be allowed the same rights,power and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way or the set of activities intended to achieve this state."

So how are our charecters treated by progressive,people with feminism as their basic trait let us see.

Iswari Dikshit Right now the most hated Charecter on the forum. Every move of her is branded as manipulative ,scheming and mentally sick by the feminists and others also.Iswari toiled hard to help Dev reach the position he achieved. She is blamed for taking away Neha's right to progress. The glaring reality that Iswari could not afford making both study is conveniently overlooked.Iswari's hard work,her fight as a single woman was never acknowledged. Instead she is accused of being partial to Dev . She invested on Dev because he will look after the family later. So she is selfish in doing so. That is the verdict. If it is so then all the parents will be called selfish only.

My sister is a divorcee. She faced so much then came out of the marriage. She has a good job. But no children.My mother says you are blessed with everything she is denied everything. Does that mean my mother envies my happiness? Never.
Iswari is called names. She is disgustingly referred to as GF and mocked at by all progressive minded people.She is criticised for holding power on the house and Dev. So I feel the feminists and others do not consider Iswari fit to be supported.

Neha. The unfortunate sister of Dev took wrong decisions and is back in Dikshit house.She is uneducated. She lost her years in helping her siblings. Her husband could not provide a satisfied life for her.
People who really want to fight for women will definitely try to understand Neha. We were not shown the incidents that lead to her decision to come back.Hardly two weeks over I think since she reached her mother's place. Already people started complaining about her ways.
Why should she sulk? Why should she cry over her bros HM?
Why can't she think of learning some thing? Why can't she stand by herself?
Why should she make a scene and blame Sonakshi in the pre cap?

I read in another thread how could Neha dare to blame Sona standing in her house? Really? People who call themselves liberal could question a daughter or sister's right to feel her parental house as her own? Isn't it odd to say so? Tomorrow if Sona leaves Dev and goes back to Bijoy won't he let her be happy rightfully there? Can Saurav's wife say it is not Sona's home at all?

Every daughter though married still belongs to her parents. No one can question her right to stay there. Neha Ria Nikki every one has the right to stay at Iswari mansion along with Sona. I disagree with the argument that a brother has no such responsibility like a father does. A son replaces the father after the father passes away or if he retires from his duty.
Coming to feminists they should uphold Neha's right to live with her family as long she wants to.
But I observed all the support and sympathies are meant only for Sonakshi but not any one else.

Sonakshi: Well I am the only one who finds fault with whatever she does . And I am not ashamed of it.
If we take just the instance that may be shown Today I found it irritating when Sona revealed the issue of Neha to her parents that too in the public place . Isn't it Neha's personal matter? Did Sona think a minute before doing so? Or it would have been better if she took her parents to her room and spilled the beans. Still our feminists supported the act by saying Sona was in shock Hence she did so.
But the same people are finding fault with Neha for blaming Sona rightfully. And they are eagerly waiting to see Dev support Sona today.

Every woman Charecter is naturally flawed. Why show sympathy towards one and hatred towards others? If you are feeling bad towards the cancellation of HM feel bad for Neha whose marriage is on the verge of being broken. If you say Neha is responsible for her situation Sona also is responsible for nourishing a dream that can be termed as untimely
Let Iswari be understood and sympathised despite her insecurities.

Let Neha be pitied for the precarious condition she brought herself into.

I don't need to tell about Sona because she is the golden girl who will get all the concern and love.

Finally feminism should not be restricted to favouritism.

It is not optional.

So treat all the flawed charecters equally.Let opportunities,rights and power be equally distributed or attributed to Iswari,Neha and Sona. There lies propriety. There lies justice.






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Posted: 8 years ago
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Here i m talking about Sonakshi only bcoz baakiyon ke baare mein jitna kaha jaaye kam hai.
I totally agree with u ki Sonakshi ko apne parents se Neha ke baare mein baat nahi karni chahiye thi.I don't know how many are marrieds here...but har married girl mujhse agree karegi ki after marriage humein ek general rule zaroor follow karna chahiye ki sasural ki baat apne ghar pe na ki jaaye...it not only tarnish ur image but also ur husband's image in ur own family.
chahe Neha sunti yaa nahi ,Sona ko apni family ki baatein bahar nahi batani chaiye thi.
My POV only.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hard to believe that one day I have to read such post on Indian forum

Hard to believe that one day I have to explain humanity and Cunning-ness

Hard to believe that I will witness such post who will support Ishwari's manupliative schemes and traits under the name of Motherhood and sacrifice and expect people to sympathise with her. No mother used as child as a pawn under the name of motherhood.?

Big Question to you - Are you a mother ? I am mother of two kids. Pls don't defend Ishwari's manipulative schemes under the name of her sacrificing life. I am proudly ashamed of Ishwari. Period of that.

Neha sacrificed alot and so does Dev .. Even Dev has to loose his chidhood only after he becomes a successful. Even today his priorities are his family and responsibilities over his personal life which Neha is not doing. Today Neha is free of any responsibilities and rather all the time singing song of her sacrifice time😕 since beginning.

Neha has every right to stay in Ishwari Niwas period.

Neha's failed marriage - who is responsible ? Dev or Sona? Does Neha not aware of Ranveer financial conditions? A very start day itself before proposing to her Ranveer showed her true life. From the very start day Dev was telling her that she can't be adjusted there because of her nature. Neha wants only Luxuries in life without any hardwork. I understand she is not that educated but still she can do any work- like do course of beauty parlour, fashion designing anything. If there is will there is way.

Even today Dev is working hard so why can't Neha can do work.

So Neha is wrong in many ways and even her acts can't justified under the name of disturbed childhood.


Now coming to Personal Part- Firstly like to mention to you it is unfair to use feminisim word, it means you are targeting group of people. They may or may not be wrong but it is absolutely wrong in targeting section of people who have different mindset than yours. I think you have major problem with Erica Frenandes, this what I have observe. That is reason you have so much problem with Sonakshi character otherwise it is impossible that a person who can see goodness even in Ishwari but can find fault in Sonakshi character always. Unfair from your side 😕 . Pls next time try not to mix personal feeling while making a post because it directly reflects in your post.

Now coming to Sonakshi Part- Yes it is unfair to say things about your inlaws in public .. I agree but seriously person who has got a major shock and in distress , obviously can do such things in life. Even I have done more stupidity in life when I am in stress, so this is practically nothing.


P.S. No intention to hurt your feelings.Respect your POV and hopes that you will also respect someone else POV.




Edited by mayu1982 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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..you are back with the bang 👏👏...feminism is the word we have often see in the forum and it's used as per convenience ...
I agree with you on some things but on cedrain things I disagree with you

You are not alone even I criticize Sona time and again and just like any other character she has her own flaws ...she has done many mistakes and like u said she is lucky that she gets all the sympathy and she is the least bashed character in the forum ...

Having said that I was disappointed with Ishwari today and I did feel bad for Sona .Unfortunately her HM issue got tied with Neha's issues and to justify her actions of cancelling the HM she blurted about Neha to her parents ...it was not intentional but what I like about that is she was real and was not made to look like a mahaan character . ...I think more than Sona it was Bijoy who did the damage . ...without knowing anything he kept bringing Neha's name .Her intentions were right ..she was not gossiping about Neha with her parents
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Posted: 8 years ago
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hey,
so firstly i'm just politely stating my disagreement. i dont mean to prove anyone wrong or cover anyone's opinion.
secondly, what i understand from the flashback is that ishwari stopped neha's education to fund dev. yes all of them did sacrifice a lot but neha gave up her education. now the thing is that ishwari could have made dev sacrifice his education too for neha's sake. or better yet made dev and neha both stay in their previous smaller school. the point is that ishwari was partial towards dev and we all know him being the eldest was not the only reason. if neha would have been her son then would she have made her give u on studies and made that son take care of nikki and riya ?
also, they were poor earlier but clearly since a few years they had become rich and influential due to dev. now, if she did really feel this guilty for neha's lack of education then she would have supported neha and herself told her to study something. but she didn't bother.

and when it comes to neha, no one minds her staying in the dixit house. the only bothersome thing is ishwari using neha's case to make dev feel guilty and cancel his plans because ishwari is the one who's insecure of losing him. i too agree that sona shouldn't have openly told her parents about neha's marital issues but if neha can (incorrectly) publicly blast out on sona (i'm not throwing any shade here just stating the fact) for badmouthing her then surely sona shouldn't be given such hate for confiding to her mature and understanding parents (given that she was kinda hurt due to HM being suddenly cancelled).

in the end if there's anyone who's behaviour is irritating (apart from ishwari and gkb. like duh) its ranveer for not trying to sort matters out with neha and not understanding how pressured and claustered she was feeling after marriage.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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mayu mayu mayu..my dear girl...i loved your reply ...i am equally appalled at the post ... and moreso by the statement that if Ishwari is termed selfish, then every parent is selfish ! i read it a few times to check if its really written or am i imagining stuff...let me state the differance with a normal parent and few parents like Ishwari:
1) A normal parent never shows any bias towards her kids , she loves and cares for them equally however Ishwari sacrificed Neha's future for her Son , because she believed her daughter wldnt be capable enough to tke care of the family so she decides to give Dev a chance to prove himself wheras Neha never got any chance.And wat Ishwari did is a clear gender bias , hence she is selfish.

2) A normal parent doesnt snatch away the kids childhood, and make him toil hard at such a young age just so that he can pull them out of poverty asap. If you remember Ishwari's reaction on seeing Dev play with other kids .All she cared was for Dev to get older and richer so that her family doesnt suffer any more. She got Dev admitted to a big school at the cost of Neha losing her education.As far as i believe, if there is a desire to study, the standard of the school doesnt make a difference..wen she cld have had both her kids go to school, she was greedy enough to put Dev in a school of higher std in the hope that he ll do even better...Hence she is selfish.

3) A normal parent doesnt make sacrifices expecting any returns in the future. It is a duty of the parents to bring up their kids and make them ready to face the world so that they can lead a gud life.Ishwari did what every mother would do..and she din even do it well enough or else we wlnt see such a materialistic and loveless bunch of people in the dixit family.And still she keeps reminding her son everytime to repay it to her and her family.My parents taught me but dont expect me to look after them. They are self dependent.If i take care of them it is because i am instilled with the values of loving anf resepcting my parents and elders.My husbands parents took loans to send him for higher education abroad and still today they do not demand anything in return except little love and time. Hence, Ishwari is selfish

4) A normal parent would want to see their child settle down well in life and get married and start his or her own family.However , Ishwari never wanted her Son to marry in the fear that she might lose the postion in his life. Inspite of knowing that he loves a girl and the girl makes him happy , she manipulated him to give up on his love and once he did so, she never bothered to see if he is happy and totally ignored his pain.Hence Ishwari is selfish

5) A normal parent teaches the child to be a gud partner and love and respect his /her spouse.Here Ishwari cannot tolerate him giving importance to his wife. She gets insecure seeing him happy with his wife, she feels jealous when they spend time together and she is never willing to share him with anyone , even his wife.Hence Ishwari is selfish

6) A normal parent, being more experienced would advise their kids and share their opinions and suggestions abt certain thngs however Ishwari tkes decisions for her son and his life.She cheats him into signing an agreement and indirectly tkes an importance decision about his future life without her sons permission.She even lies to him openly tking advantage of his trust in her .Hence Ishwari is cunning and selfish.

7) A normal parents love for their child is selfless , pure and genuine.However Ishwari's love is conditional, manipulative and unhealthy.She doesnt like seeing him happy and keeps pulling him towards his past and reminds him of his duties and resposibilies everytime he tries to be happy and lead a normal life.She tries to create discord betn him and his wife which a normal parent wld never do.Hence she is selfish.

Phew !! i cld go on n on..even the CV'S are very clear and portraying Ishwari as insecure and selfish and manipulative or else they wldnt show her awake the whole night thnking abt Dev going for honeymoon and the next day wen confronted, shifting the whole focus on Neha. C.V's are very clear in what they want to show to the audience.

But , i am surprised that you justify her acts , but find faults with Sonaskhi who is the only one whose love is unconditional.If she was selfish, she wlnt be back to her house jus like Neha is coz Dev like ranvir priortizes his family more than his wife. but unlike Neha, Sona comes from a different backgound and she did not have a mother like Ishwari, so she understands situations better and is ready to face them as and when they come. She is strong, independent on the outsdie and genuine and compassionate at the same time..she is everything that Ishwari is not..and that is the main reason Ishwari is so insecure abt her .Period !



Edited by sappushivu - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lakshmi Di!
I'm so speechless right now. Take a bow! Hats off.
Absolutely agree on this but I doubt anyone will understand. To each, his own but I personally loved this take. A huge shout out to all those Sona-activists.
But there's an exception. What Ishwari is doing cannot be justified. She's mentally sick and needs treatment.
What you said of Sona & Neha is point on!
Sigh, I don't wanna indulge in arguing. Not that worth and time.

-Mahi
Edited by Artist_Forever - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Don't worry dear. Nobody's gonna call you a feminist here. Coz you don't seem one.

And to be frank i was expecting a post like this from you today. And don't categories all the women as feminists. Sorry, but most of us don't use the word as a weapon and as per our convenience.

We all know the meaning of Feminism and no dictionary meaning is required to understand it.

So now, starting with your explanation and my POV on the same, here it is:

Mrs. Ishwari Dikshit:

And you have highly mistaken or must not have followed the posts on the forum from the beginning. We all have showered praise on Ishwari for being strong, for working hard and for single handedly raising her 4 children. This woman has done so much for her children and that's the reason Dev worships her. He has seen her mother through all the hardship. How she has sacrificed so much for them. Yes the situations were not in her favor and that's the reason she couldn't let Neha study further. That's a different think. Ishwari no doubt is a very strong woman. Not many are like her, who can withstand the harsh reality and still take their children above all on the success ladder. Dev is The Dev Dikshit today just because of his mother and nobody can deny this fact.

But as long as this is true, there's one more fact that she was partial towards her daughters and no matter how much you defend her. Ok she couldn't afford to educate Neha. Neha could only take care of Riya nad Nikki. Because Ishwari had no other option. But i am not talking about these things. It's about the love you give your children. Every parent love his/her children equally. Atleast this is what happens at my house. But she was partial towards Dev and Neha felt neglected. Ishwari herself has accepted this fact and defending her on this is not at all correct.

What all she does for Dev doesn't give her the right to be manipulative and selfish. Dev too has done and is been doing everything for the family all these years. Your hardship and sacrifices don't give you the right to do wrong and still people should sympathies with you. Sorry i am not one of that kind. Till the time Ishwari was being just rude and sometimes unreasonable, i still understood and was like people do make mistakes. I was not disappointed with the character. But now in some of the recent episodes, she has only been disappointing for me. The time she started manipulating things, the disappointment just kept increasing for this character.


Neha:

Ufff uff ufff... And here nobody is against of Neha staying at the Dikshit house. Sorry to say, but you don't read the posts in the forum i suppose. We all felt bad for Neha. We still feel. And as you have said we don't know the reason why she's back. If you can't be against her, you can also not justify her actions the way you are doing.

Yes she has all the right to stay at Ishwari mansion. She's the daughter of the house and has equal rights in the house as that of Dev and the other two sisters and nobody questioned or talked about it here.

Nobody is against here staying there. I understand she's sufferings, she's in pain. But on one hand you say that even if Sona is in shock she should not make a mistake and ironically in Neha's case you are supporting her with the argument that she's going through hell and she can behave the way she is right now in this frame of mind.

How on earth can you justify these two things dear. If Sona has to be understanding all the time, same goes with Neha too. She can shout at Sona or whatever she wanted to do without creating a scene infront of all. But yes, some may justify this action of her too.

And some who are supporting Neha and saying its only 2-3 weeks that she's back at her mother's place and people are talking about her learning skills and all. These are the same people, who were talking about Sona joining her job only after 2 days of getting married.

What's wrong in learning some skills and keeping yourself busy to atleast release your stress and diverting your mind for sometime. She is not picking up Ranveer's call. Yes i can understand she's angry and don't want to talk to him. But she can think about it. They can try to sort out the differences. And yes she has all the right to cry over her bros HM. Because she is broken and its not easy for her to stay composed all the time. Even i felt bad looking at her cry that time.

Mrs. Sonakshi Dikshit:

I am a proud fan of this character. Not because she's perfect. No she's not. And i have admitted it several time.

Let me put some light on the irony you have created here:

Neha has the right to create a scene infront of everybody and shout at Sona. She's disturbed. She didn't hear the whole convo and made assumption that Sona was making fun of her condition. This is because the frame of mind she's in.

Now coming to Sona... Sona revealed the issue of Neha to her parents that too in the public place - In your words. Darling this is the same public place Neha is shouting on Sona and creating a scene.

And in this public place, when Sona was talking there were only her parents and her. When Neha was shouting she bought the whole house down yelling. If Neha has the right to shout and behave the way she's doing (According to you) at her house, the same right is of Sona too. If you have not forgotten, Dev is her husband.

I'll not justify Sona. It is unfair to say things about your in-laws. But when on one hand you consider Neha's state, you just pushes Sona under the bus every single time. The girl didn't even get time to register what actually happened minutes ago. Her parents were probing her further on why is the need to cancel the tour and she just told them. This is the same girl who didn't utter a word earlier when her mother asked her whether she's facing any problem at her In-laws palce. So can we this time let her be real. She said that but wanted to end the topic. It was her father who was taking Neha's name and she just cut the topic off as she didn't want to discuss it with them. Rather with her husband and the in-laws.

I am happy they are not showing her to be the Mahaan DIL of the family.

I don't think you can see the difference between the actions of these characters. You cannot treat every character in the similar manner if there actions are of a north and south pole. Having flaws is acceptable, but categorizing things done deliberately in flaws is wrong.

Talking about favoritism, when you'll keep the favoritism aside i think you can very well find the difference between the actions of these characters.

Solely my POV. You have all the right to disagree.
Edited by JyotiBThakur - 8 years ago
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I think feminism is most used word in this forum in fact whole India forum.😆iam not a feminist but i believe there is some things which only women can do same goes with men too.
coming to the show i refused to accept ishwari is a good mother. yes she is a mother because she given birth to 4 children raised them give them food and shelter which any normal mother do but good mother naa. a good mother never burdain her children with responsibility. she never show partiality between her children. ishwari only motive is to survive she absoluetly do any thing to survive.she did before 20 years back now she is doing the same. she never cared about her children happiness if you think she did then maybe ishwari have a twisted way to show that which normal people can't understand. in HM matter a good mother never kill one child happiness for another one. if she is good mother she would have send Dev for honey moon because in his entire life only one time he wanted to some personsl time. a good mother can give it. there is no life and death matters going in dixit house.maybe ishwari genuinely cared about neha but her timing is absolutely wrong.she didn't give damn about neha when she happily cooking for Dev. waiting for him i didn't see she spending time with neha. so any normal people would think she don't care about neha so she suddenly showing concern for neha kuch hazam nahi hua. coming to neha i have no problem with her she is troubled child. she saw many things in childhood that she confused what she wants in life she just need guidance. one thing best is that neha is not like her mother she is not cunning and manipulative .coming to sona in absolutely respect this girl for understanding her husband given him space and respect his decision when she is still hurt.if she would have married another guy her life would have different. maybe not that easy but would have better than her life with in dixit family. i think maybe God send this angel for Dev. i think he also pity of seeing Dev dixit life .i think the best thing ever happened to Dev life is falling in love with sona.
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Lakshmi Di!

I'm so speechless right now. Take a bow! Hats off.
Absolutely agree on this but I doubt anyone will understand. To each, his own but I personally loved this take. A huge shout out to all those Sona-activists.
But there's an exception. What Ishwari is doing cannot be justified. She's mentally sick and needs treatment.
What you said of Sona & Neha is point on!
Sigh, I don't wanna indulge in arguing. Not that worth and time.

-Mahi

Mahi Thanks for sparing time and responding promptly. Whether Iswari is sick or not I wish she should be treated with the same concern,sympathy and understanding. We may criticise the act but not the person. Motherhood is God given blessing Mahishee. If she is behaving in an abnormal way like she often does. Instead of overlooking her problem it should be dealt with. Dev has to do that. No one else. But he is an escapist. He sees only that is relishable to him. Unless he opens his eyes Iswari's disorders will never get lost. Her actions draw criticism. But that doesn't mean her motherhood can also be mocked at. I hope she will see the truth of human life at a proper time and live her life peacefully .

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