Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi
My god 'STOLE'!!!
But you're a poet, and I'm a simple mortal, and therefore I will say one must look at things from the simplest, most practical point of view (Practical but not overlooking the basic human sentimentS).
I, for one, have long since freed myself from all shackles, and even obligations. I only recognize obligations when I see I have something to gain by them.(what did Snape Gain by "stealing" that letter? Just a memory..It dosnt hurt to steal a memory) You yearn for the ideal, for virtue. But, my dear friend, I am ready to recognize anything you tell me to, but what shall I do if I know for a fact that at the root of all human virtues lies the most intense human egoism and wanting?( an egoism that stems just out of love in his heart and which cannot be blamed..)
He didnt go to Grimmauld Place to steal letters n tit bits...He went there with an inention to keep the Order Safe..and confronted by sumthing which had the Love of the wman he loved(sumthing he lacked so much)..He wudnt need a "memoir" to back up..as his proof for Love..But when he saw this Letter...with her love..he was obviously "melted to tears" and for one moment of intense selfishness and longing...he took it along...
If he was looking for dat..he wud have gone and catapulated the only ramsacked house in Godric's Hollow..he wasnt a senti fellow..But when he got this golden oppo...he gave way to his emotions..if u find it stealing, I am sorry I cannot agree...[/quote]
I do hope you don't mean that stealing memory thing literally because in the Harry Potter world that could lead to all sorts of catastrophes.😆
In all seriousness, though, it's not about hurting.
I did say "Whether this was his intention for raiding Grimmald place or not, it still remains that he stole these items, they weren't his own to use at his disposal."
Let me elaborate. He took what wasn't his to take. That picture wasn't given to him, wasn't taken by him and to Lily's knowledge may not have ever been reached to him. That "Lots of love, Lily" wasn't for him either, it was to Sirius. For him to take these items and pretend that Lily wanted him by seeing her laughing face everyday in that picture and reading the words of endearment, makes him way too attached to her in a way that's beyond just simple love, it's a want of a magnitude that quite simply the only word that I can think of that can explain it, is obsession.
[quote=lucky_lakshmi]That depends of perceptions..U may view his reason foolish...or maybe sumone who is too prudent is bound to feel so..
I dont..I find it much more sacred...
U have two contradictory points there...1: that decisions should be based on one's emotions only...[/quote]
No I did not say this my exact quote was "Decisions should not be made on solely ones emotions."
[quote=lucky_lakshmi]Its not mandatory that Decisions shouldnt solely be rooted on ur emotions..to argue..one may win that way...Bbcoz thats a very practical point..[/quote]
I disagree with you on this. IMO, it's simply not practical to let emotions and only emotions guide one without giving consideration to what one's brain has to say...unless you meant the opposite of what I thought you meant. There's alot of not's in there, it makes my head go abuzz.
[quote=lucky_lakshmi]But in life..each n every decision in founded basically on ur emotions...[/quote]
Human actions do stem from our emotions. I didn't/don't argue that. What I'm saying is that Snape did what he did only out of emotion rather then anything his brain provided. Again I'll compare his ill treatment of Harry with this (and I explained above why this is) and why it's practical for one to assume as such. Lets also take a look at what he gave up for helping Harry for Lily. When learning the news about Lily, Snape would've gotten these messages from his heart and brain:
His heart (emotions) says that Snape wants to be with Lily. He obsesses over her/is in love with her.
His brain provides. A. The DA's aren't the most ethical of things to do and that defecting from this side would be ethically right B. that Lily is married and has a child, and chances of her being with Snape is next to impossible. He has got a good thing going with the DA's. The Dark Lord likes him. He's among the inner circle and he could putter about with the DA's and no worries of being restricted to do so.
Now I would wonder why he would give up everything for the women that may not ever return his feelings? I don't think he was too concerned with the ethicality of what he was doing. He was driven by his feelings for Lily and nothing else. Everything he ever does is driven solely by his feelings. He doesn't stop to think of the consequences, if this is what is best or whether it should be done, which IMO is a foolish thing to do.
[quote=lucky_lakshmi]2: that "afterall Snape was Human..."...I have been trying to tell exactly that...how can u demand a completely prudent and "only based on ur wisdom n celeverness" kinda wisdom from a human, who as u agree...is always flawed in one way or the other...?[/quote]
I'm not asking anything of him. The only reason I like him is because he is flawed. I'm just judging him. Which after all, all characters are once they've been developed. We like to judge. Humans judge on everyones mistakes. I'm judging on his. Isn't that what this debate about - judging of this character?
Anupamaa
Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi 2
