Patriotism

Hello guys 😊

As you can see, I am new to this forum. I've just recently started to watch the show after taking notice of it from members in other forums, and I still have to catch up to the newest episode (some time, lol). As of yet, I am not too sure whether I love this or not. I mean, I am liking the Hoodas, both the lead, and I especially love Ishaan/Rizwan 😳 But then, there are some issues I am having like the inter-faith marriages and how badly that's been handled... So, I will wait and watch more before coming to a final judgment.

Anyway, what I am curious about: are you guys (strong) patriots? What is your stance on it? Personally, I cannot connect to the sentiment of patriotism, at all. I mean, I have a sense of belonging to the country I grew up in and am discovering a new found love for the country I am from - but I don't feel strongly for either one (and I wouldn't as I am also aware of the many bads they have done/are doing) and neither do I feel pride about where I come from or where I live, not really; there are more valuable things to be proud of, imo. Hence, why I can't connect to Preet when she talks about how she feels for her home country- dying and living for a country, comparing it to your mother etc... not understandable to me.

"There are two kinds of people: one, your brethren in belief and the other, your equals in humanity." (Ali b. Abi Talib [a]) - I couldn't care less about nationalities, neither mine nor others', especially since there are other values/things which, for me, are far above this notion.

But I am curious to see what others think about it; always interested in other perspectives than my own. Share, please? And sorry if I offended anyone, which was not my intention, at all! 😳

N.

Wonderful topic! And welcome to the forum dear 😃 i love how this serial gives us REAL intellectual topics for discussions 😳

Thank you, for replying, and thank you for the warm welcome! 😳

I see. I think such an approach is very admirable, tbh. Often times then not, I have noticed patriotism turning into nationalism - being proud of your origin and looking down on others. Which, of course, is not always the case- I guess a bitter after-taste when you grow up with German history, lol. I guess another problem I have is culture being put above religion. Don't get me wrong, culture is beautiful and precious - but it has its ugly sides, too, and they are very present in Pakistani societies, for example, things which do not conform with religious norms and people (others) mistake them for being part of religion. That irks me, lol. But that is kinda off-topic, sorry (and my pov)! 😛

Btw, I, too, am from Pakistan (my parents) 😊 That's what I meant with "discovering new found love for my country". I have never liked Pakistan much, mainly due to the picture Western media has painted of the country over the years. Now, with more maturity and the knowledge that media cannot be 100% trusted (oh, they really can't), I am re-discovering the country, culture etc... and am seeing that there's so much beauty there to be found. Circumstances (politics) are which create unfortunate results. Similarly, I see that Western countries are not as superior (in regards to morals, for example) as I always believed, and not that innocent regarding the situations in other countries. There's bad and good everywhere.

Do you live in Pakistan? If so, would you mind if I'd inquire a little more about the country? I am doing research for a personal project 😳

Thank you, again!

What are you trying to say and who are you defending? How can you not for fell love and respect for both countries? Birth is not our choice but family makes it ours no matter and where you live is just your..

I feel pride for both countries and don't want anything to hurt them not some fanatics. What Preet feels is I feel too. And she has a reason to hate for now and I feel that is serial is about moving across hatred but patriotism is not topic. Also how is Ishan different than Preet here, he hates India and want to destroy where Preet just want to protect India? .

What is more valuable things in you opinion really? Familyand friends? Arent that attached to country directly. You don't care someone destroy or harm them?

This post should be closed as you are stirring wrong pot with wrong griddle

Originally posted by: .vineeta.

What are you trying to say and who are you defending? How can you not for fell love and respect for both countries? Birth is not our choice but family makes it ours no matter and where you live now is your too..

I feel pride for both countries and don't want anything to hurt them not some fanatics. What Preet feels is I feel too. And she has a reason to hate for now and I feel that is serial is about moving across hatred but patriotism is not topic. Also how is Ishan different than Preet here, he hates India and want to destroy where Preet just want to protect India? .

What is more valuable things in you opinion really? Familyand friends? Arent that attached to country directly. You don't care someone destroy or harm them?

This post should be closed as you are stirring wrong pot with wrong griddle

I am not exactly sure what this post is supposed to achieve 😒 I am not trying to defend anyone nor defame anyone - my question is genuine and it is not a question about only two countries but generally as there are people on IF from all over the world. Yes, I mentioned Preet in the context to my inquiry simply because I got stronger vibes of patriotism from her; Ishaan is more driven by his personal revenge (which I don't agree with, either. Him wanting to take revenge from a whole country for what he think a few people committed). For me, as I said, history has tainted somewhat the perception of strong patriotism. Also, often, a country is associated with it's governments (and I don't have a positive image of politics and many politicians, these days, either). It is something to care for your family and wanting to protect them, and another (for me) to equate your country with a mother - I am not saying this is wrong. It is a matter of perception; there is no real right or wrong here.

As for feeling love and respect for both countries - I don't hate either country, lol. I feel respect for people, individuals if they earned it/deserve it no matter their families or where they came from. Not sure how you drew such a weird conclusion...

And this is not about me. I simply want to understand this sentiment through the outlooks of others 😊

If you think this post will stirr trouble - then I am sorry that you think like that. Though, I don't get why it should. I simply want to know other people's outlook on the matter. 🥱 I have not even criticised anyone, let alone talked badly about anyone or anything. So, relax and ignore this topic if it bothers you so much, dear.

Originally posted by: Fantasia.

<font size="2">Oh wow! You have Pakistani origin? That's good to know agree on the culture part! There are a lot of customs in Pakistan which are followed with religious sanctuary when in reality they dont exist in religion, and this not only creates problems with the society, but also doctors the original meanings of religious teachings, also a very huge problem in Pakistan is sectarianism and the divide each sect has developed in religious practices. Every sect considers that their way of following Islam is authentic, and instead of leaving another person alone with his/her sect, they make it mandatory to comment on it which leads to riots.</font>

[DIV]<font size="2">As for Pakistan's image in media, dont even start me on HOW biased it is, and i wont only blame the international media, even Pakistan's own media isnt fair to the country, so good you are not influenced by media anymore😳
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Thank you! 🤗 I will PM you soon, then 😉

And good that I am not alone in my perception of culture 😆

@bold: I guess the whole problem here is simply that people don't accept and tolerate that others might have a different opinion/different beliefs on certain things. If acceptance and tolerance is missing, problems arise, unfortunately. And these things often then not stem from misconceptions (you might have guessed which sect I belong to, lol. The amount of mis-information about us going around is unbelieveable; but it happens to minorities) and the unwillingness to respect other povs (which I see in my family; sometimes they expect other Muslims to see history, for example, through the same lense as we do - it's frustrating to explain that that can not always be the case, really).

Put yourself in others shoes to see their pov. Something that Rizwan might be learning, now, by living with the Hoodas. He's hated a whole nation for what he thinks a few did - but he's realizing that that is not right. The whole country is not to be blamed- and maybe, they have the same outlook on your country and people as you do on theirs. There are always two sides of a coin, after all.

And lol, yes, I guess you are right, there. My father watches Pak news non-stop.

Mentioning only Preet but not Ishaan and reading your post brought me to that conclusion obviously

Originally posted by: .vineeta.

Mentioning only Preet but not Ishaan and reading your post brought me to that conclusion obviously