Positive or negative- Aahil and Jannat

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Have been having a rant in my mind I have been wanting to express for long, so I just penned this down.

This show has three positive characters (as assumed by the show and cvs)- Aahil, Jannat and Shaad.
Let's analyse everyone of the character and just see where the character actually stands now based on his feelings (the monologues) and the actions.

Aahil Raza Ibrahim- Tough, Hard for anyone to look in him, wanting to be bad but ending up good, actions opposed to feelings, a very messy character he is to understand, a puzzle! A puzzle broken by Sanam Asad Ahmed Khan, a girl brought up with strong values! Her actions somehow led to an action which is somehow related to him, and these actions became what his feelings approved but actions didn't, slowly that action became his action and finally his action matched his feelings and the puzzle is solved! He is pure!

Now what, he is still innocent and immature! He doesn't knows how to take things! Last time when they were separated, again he was innocent and immature, but there was one weapon which fought everything for him- honesty! All what happened to him, every bad was defended by his honesty! He always spoke truths and the same truths made him show the truths, slowly yet refining him! Everything washed away, as he slowly got refined and he himself became the truth of everyone's life- Rehan, Sanam, Seher, Begum Sahiba, Badi Begum, Khala Khalu and even Nayi Sanam! He was weak, couldn't do anything but his honesty made him strong more than anyone- nothing was there when he wasn't there!

So Aahil Raza Ibrahim came to be defined as a messy, honest and pure guy!

Now things have changed, somehow again things seem to happen bad to him, he is still messy, his love is still pure but he isn't honest! Maybe somehow being in so many problems he has chosen the not honest path, to fight with pureness! But, why isn't this pureness working? Because as the last time when Sanam Aahil Raza Ibrahim ran away from the Nikaah( as he had assumed), he trusted her love but was insecure to accept it and as he finally acknowledged to himself that he trusted her love, things became more better! Again the same thing he trusts her love, but his insecurity overpowers him and makes him actionless! But, why aren't we loving the same Aahil we used to love even in that seperation track? Because he has lost even his honesty, yet he is pure but he isn't able to acknowledge it! So he is only messy now! We can't see the Aahil of pure love and honesty- which makes him good and positive! He is only messy and has chosen the wrong path with right intentions that he isn't able to acknowledge to himself! And when he can't to himself, how will the viewers acknowledge it?

Is he positive or remains negative? It remains a question for you people to ponder and give your views.

According to my view, I feel he is negative and in the wrong track now who needs to be brought back into the right path and be redeemed.

Jannat Shaad Aftab Khan- An amnesic woman who believes Shaad is her husband, but has feelings for another man!

This is Jannat whom we believe she is. Let us make a slight change in the sentence. Read it this way:

Wife of Shaad who can't remember of anything of her past and has been having strong feelings for another man having a husband who loves her dearly.

This is how Jannat Shaad Aftab Khan believes! If any woman has feelings for another man other than her husband who is loving her so much she would feel guilty and try to fixate her relationship and that is exactly what Jannat is doing but not having the strength enough to confront boldly! So she uses other methods. In the months that she remembers she has lived with Shaad she has strongly believed she is his wife! And it is obvious any woman would have feelings, afterall he is her husband for her, but he is not for us and we know it not her!


At the same time, she has a fragment of Sanam in her that keeps going to Aahil at very rare times that are peak moments! And those moments Sanam has felt for Aahil and this has affected Jannat! Jannat now seems to have feelings for Aahil, Jannat has them not Sanam! So this is the same Jannat who has feelings for two men- Shaad and Aahil and normally she feels it is wrong so is trying to do something! But one is a delusion and one is real! But feeling is there, delusion or real! And this is when we feel disgusted that she has feelings for two men, when she is one woman! But aren't there two characters in her soul- one Jannat one Sanam one Jannat who loves Sanam's love! Oh! it's three! Will there not be confusions? Delusion, Real and Delusion feeling Real! She has passed both Delusion and Real stages! Now she is in the stage of Delusion feeling Real! She is confused, lost and on the fake path!

Now who is a confused, lost and on a fake path woman called?- Positive or Negative!

Again this is a question for you to ponder!

According to my view, I call her negative, because she is a lie and if I have to call her positive she had to confront the men and ask for her truth! But, that isn't a easy job, is it? She has to feel more of Aahil for it!
Her only loophole is not questioning and being suspicious which an amnesic woman has to do and I agree it's a big loophole. Anyhow Jannat is negative who is on the path to turn positive.

Shaad- I don't want to waste my energy ranting on him. You all know who he is- fake, selfish and calculated minded. He is negative, you know it.

When the leads have good intentions, why the show isn't good? It is simply because everyone is supporting the wrong. Who would like to cry buckets when the guy is negative and feel for that guy?

What can be done?

- Aahil telling the truth which probably they won't do and also make him see the truth of Shaad. In a line make him right and honest!

Or

-Jannat should confront which won't happen so soon!

Until they do one of these leads will remain negative and we all cannot digest so much negativity from a serial, so we stop watching and the trps go down! Simple!

And also both the characters should be redeemed.

This is all I have wanted to say. That no character right now is positive and the negativity should go to make us comeback!



P.S.- I haven't discussed Sanam because she is a little but very important part of the show. The show basically runs on Aahil, Jannat and Shaad and all of you know Sanam is positive!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Great post. I want to focus on Jannat Sanam here.
I said quite some time back that Jannat is pretty much a split personality. And that is what is in essence happening. There is Jannat, and then there is Sanam struggling within her, and manages to take some more control and seep into Jannat.

I am not a fan of this so called triangle because of how much the woman is robbed of any informed choice, and is treated like some puppet between these two men now. Earlier it was Shaad taking advantage of her, then Aahil not reacting accordingly, now the two of them are going around with this stupid plan. One feels feels it necessary and actually slipped her sleeping pills (or so he thought). They are just making all kinds of decisions and not bothering about the state of this woman.

I dislike Jannat's hypocrisy and blaming of Aahil and I have always said that.

I dislike the fact that the makers have no guts to show a woman making informed choices either way, no guts to show a woman take the decision to question her marriage and acknowledge her issues, instead they portray all this in some twisted, regressive, insulting manner where they are too afraid to make a woman actually make decisions and question and maybe even decide for herself the marriage is not for her.

However, I would not blame Jannat for her relationship or her attempts at relationship with Shaad. Whatever she is doing, it is the fault of Aahil and Shaad where she is essentially humiliating herself: why? Not even because she's the wife of another man trying to seduce one that is not her husband.

No, she is being humiliated because she's doing all this unknowingly, under false pretenses, in a sick state, and being lied to continuously, and now even tricked continuously--by Aahil and Shaad.

As for Jannat having feelings for two men, actually it is the Sanam within her who is fighting and seeping in. And even if it weren't, having feelings for two people is nothing new. It is often used and really that is how a real triangle works. It's another thing that maybe Hindi soaps only want to make it one-sided on one side. The thing is eventually one realizes which is they feel is right, more right--and which is the one to let go of.

When Season Three first started, many people were actually clamoring for a true triangle with Jannat with ShaJan actually having some weight on Jannat's side, and Aahil still winning out.

But anyway, they've screwed up on it all, again and again and again and again.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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IDK, Pink.
I am done with ranting, because it is not healthy.

All I can say is right now- all three are positive.

Jannat: I am really glad she tries to keep within the confines of a dutiful wife, while being attracted to Ahil- She is doing what she feels is right and is told to her. Her only fault is that she trusted a man who seemed to be a white angel...and went on to reject a man whom she painted dark...simply because she felt ashamed about the emotions he evoked in her. But she is trying her best to remedy that...by going away. She is willing to sentence herself to a life time of unhappiness for not being true to her 'husband'.

Ahil: He is a confused man. For sometime he thought he knew what Jannat needed...then he tried to make her remember him. When she did not, he took it as REJECTION...until Shaad brought him proof of her steadfast love...which is when he decided not o let her make a decision she'd regret. The nikah was OK for me- it is secretly what Jannat wanted...and they could only do it that way, since telling her the truth would have shattered her already fragile mind. And now Ahil seeks solace in prayers...and comes to the conclusion that he has to let her know, no matter what.

Shaad: Ignoring his part in setting up this pathetic drama- According to him, Jannat doesn't exist any more. He has erased the character he had created- apologised to God for asking for something which was never his to ask for...and is now happy to hand over 'Sanam' to her 'Ahil'. As far as he is concerned, he came in between two lovers. (Both dialogues having been said clearly by him - the former in a monologue yesterday, and the latter to Ahil) That makes him partially redeemed. I liked his tears in front of Nayi Sanam yesterday- as he was subjected to the humiliation of acting out something that would have been a dream days back, but now is clearly a taboo...'What do you gain out of doing this?- A part Varun acted out pretty well...This guy is made to cry, I say.👏'😉 As far as I am concerned , his redemption'd be complete the day he confesses to Sanam and ASKS HER TO PARDON HIM...without the last bit, his redemption wouldn't be complete...(Much like Rehaan's is not for me, since he never confessed about his feelings for Sanam to Seher or apologise to Ahil for keeping the terrible truth of his mother away from him.- even if he died to save him.)

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Posted: 10 years ago
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😳 all of three of them really positive but they turn negative (Shaad n Jannat) in our views because of the criminal S2's cheap, messy drama...if she not in QH maybe the show run in smooth n loveable way that we accepted...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: tangam_5620

😳 all of three of them really positive but they turn negative (Shaad n Jannat) in our views because of the criminal S2's cheap, messy drama...if she not in QH maybe the show run in smooth n loveable way that we accepted...


Well, I don't agree on this point. NayiSanam isn't to be blamed for everything. Jannat and Shaad were considered negative even before NayiSanam came in their lives and spoilt it!
And Aahil isn't negative because of Nayi Sanam but because he doesn't take any action! So, NayiSanam isn't the reason for this!
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

Great post. I want to focus on Jannat Sanam here.

I said quite some time back that Jannat is pretty much a split personality. And that is what is in essence happening. There is Jannat, and then there is Sanam struggling within her, and manages to take some more control and seep into Jannat.

I am not a fan of this so called triangle because of how much the woman is robbed of any informed choice, and is treated like some puppet between these two men now. Earlier it was Shaad taking advantage of her, then Aahil not reacting accordingly, now the two of them are going around with this stupid plan. One feels feels it necessary and actually slipped her sleeping pills (or so he thought). They are just making all kinds of decisions and not bothering about the state of this woman.

I dislike Jannat's hypocrisy and blaming of Aahil and I have always said that.

I dislike the fact that the makers have no guts to show a woman making informed choices either way, no guts to show a woman take the decision to question her marriage and acknowledge her issues, instead they portray all this in some twisted, regressive, insulting manner where they are too afraid to make a woman actually make decisions and question and maybe even decide for herself the marriage is not for her.

However, I would not blame Jannat for her relationship or her attempts at relationship with Shaad. Whatever she is doing, it is the fault of Aahil and Shaad where she is essentially humiliating herself: why? Not even because she's the wife of another man trying to seduce one that is not her husband.

No, she is being humiliated because she's doing all this unknowingly, under false pretenses, in a sick state, and being lied to continuously, and now even tricked continuously--by Aahil and Shaad.

As for Jannat having feelings for two men, actually it is the Sanam within her who is fighting and seeping in. And even if it weren't, having feelings for two people is nothing new. It is often used and really that is how a real triangle works. It's another thing that maybe Hindi soaps only want to make it one-sided on one side. The thing is eventually one realizes which is they feel is right, more right--and which is the one to let go of.

When Season Three first started, many people were actually clamoring for a true triangle with Jannat with ShaJan actually having some weight on Jannat's side, and Aahil still winning out.

But anyway, they've screwed up on it all, again and again and again and again.


Thank you!
Neither am I a fan, because all this looks cheap! Not the SR but the way the men play with her!
I made out this post so that I can reason to some extent but I know no matter how much I reason it will be as it is- negative!
Jannat, I believe that even Sanam is coming out but somewhere this Sanam is affecting Jannat.

Yeah!, this one actually had a great track ahead but it all turned bad because the cvs themselves want to spoil the essence of it!
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

IDK, Pink.

I am done with ranting, because it is not healthy.

All I can say is right now- all three are positive.

Jannat: I am really glad she tries to keep within the confines of a dutiful wife, while being attracted to Ahil- She is doing what she feels is right and is told to her. Her only fault is that she trusted a man who seemed to be a white angel...and went on to reject a man whom she painted dark...simply because she felt ashamed about the emotions he evoked in her. But she is trying her best to remedy that...by going away. She is willing to sentence herself to a life time of unhappiness for not being true to her 'husband'.

Ahil: He is a confused man. For sometime he thought he knew what Jannat needed...then he tried to make her remember him. When she did not, he took it as REJECTION...until Shaad brought him proof of her steadfast love...which is when he decided not o let her make a decision she'd regret. The nikah was OK for me- it is secretly what Jannat wanted...and they could only do it that way, since telling her the truth would have shattered her already fragile mind. And now Ahil seeks solace in prayers...and comes to the conclusion that he has to let her know, no matter what.

Shaad: Ignoring his part in setting up this pathetic drama- According to him, Jannat doesn't exist any more. He has erased the character he had created- apologised to God for asking for something which was never his to ask for...and is now happy to hand over 'Sanam' to her 'Ahil'. As far as he is concerned, he came in between two lovers. (Both dialogues having been said clearly by him - the former in a monologue yesterday, and the latter to Ahil) That makes him partially redeemed. I liked his tears in front of Nayi Sanam yesterday- as he was subjected to the humiliation of acting out something that would have been a dream days back, but now is clearly a taboo...'What do you gain out of doing this?- A part Varun acted out pretty well...This guy is made to cry, I say.👏'😉 As far as I am concerned , his redemption'd be complete the day he confesses to Sanam and ASKS HER TO PARDON HIM...without the last bit, his redemption wouldn't be complete...(Much like Rehaan's is not for me, since he never confessed about his feelings for Sanam to Seher or apologise to Ahil for keeping the terrible truth of his mother away from him.- even if he died to save him.)

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Soup, i agree that the leads are confused but that makes them no right. Just because a person is messy he can't do anything he thinks is right. Can they? No! Same here! They are good-hearted maybe but they aren't right! They have gone wrong in many ways and one cannot ignore that! As I said, they are negative for part-time! This whole track could have been how one realizes what one right is! A transformation from wrong to right, but they screwed it up bad time!

I haven't seen the episodes for a week, so i don't know about VT! But, mixing sleeping pills and still he is deciding what is right for her! Who is he to do that? It is her choice, again he is forcing it on her! To be redeemed, he doesn't still know what is his wrong! If he would have he would have if not telling truth, could have gone away with the name of Sk! But he isn't, because he is still selfish! He considers his love equal to Aahil's still and thinks that fate was not right with him and he apologies because he came in their life, but still doesn't apologise for the crime he did to a woman! He is forcing his decision on Jannat, Aahil isn't revealing the choice to Jannat! Simply, both are playing with her!

I might sympathize with Jannat, but she should have the nature to confront! She knows she is wrong and doesn't want to accept it loud, if she does so she'll know what the right is and that she had the right feelings for the right man but she thought it was the wrong man!

Agree, I watched the Nikaah scenes. They were good. Shaad could have gone somewhere and in the morning could have told as sk and go away for a few months. Maybe even then they can show how he transforms to good, but being here and trying to realize good doing bad, it doesn't work out! But the nikaah scenes came out really good!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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It is not about being right or wrong.

Each one is trying to do what they feel is right. And Jannat BEING MAD- I repeat- MAD...has no rights. (I am of course, wrong there- mad people do have rights...but they can't write Wills and stuff like that, I believe.)😉

That is how I have read Jannat- she is simply mad. And she has a reason for it- Severe head trauma. Once the concussion heals, she will be un- mad. Until then, she has all the rights a mad person has.

Ahil is too busy dealing with his personal loss to understand he is violating her rights- you could call it selfish or ignorant.
Shaad has always been an idiot.


I am extremely sorry to be hurting fan and feminist sentiments here...I fully agree I might have read Jannat very very wrong here...

The moment Sanam GETS HER MIND BACK, I will be right here to connect with her.😊

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Originally posted by: chicksoup

It is not about being right or wrong.


Each one is trying to do what they feel is right. And Jannat BEING MAD- I repeat- MAD...has no rights. (I am of course, wrong there- mad people do have rights...but they can't write Wills and stuff like that, I believe.)😉

That is how I have read Jannat- she is simply mad. And she has a reason for it- Severe head trauma. Once the concussion heals, she will be un- mad. Until then, she has all the rights a mad person has.

Ahil is too busy dealing with his personal loss to understand he is violating her rights- you could call it selfish or ignorant.
Shaad has always been an idiot.


I am extremely sorry to be hurting fan and feminist sentiments here...I fully agree I might have read Jannat very very wrong here...

The moment Sanam GETS HER MIND BACK, I will be right here to connect with her.😊


Jannat is a not a mad woman but she is forced to be that way! She has feelings, she is not MAD! Having feelings for two men doesn't make a woman mad, there is nothing wrong in it, but out of them one is the right feeling! She is not being honest and confronting, she is only blaming Aahil! She doesn't knows what she is doing! As I said maybe I can sympathise with her, my problem has never been her seeing two men, but her not confronting and blaming Aahil! She isn't in her right senses! She is wrong and wrong in many ways- she is influenced negative making her negative for just this period of time! Otherwise she is positive!

And then what, he can't be like that right! Aahil has had right intentions, but is negative! I don't tell he has wrong intentions!

Shaad he is an idiot but also he is wrong! You know that, I know that, we know that! But he doesn't know it!😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Nice post!
Ahil & Shaad are negative. Jinnat is non-existent. Sanam is MAD.

Teh men are manipulating a mentally un-sound woman in the name of treatment. both are selfish.Shaad's selfishness pushed Sanam into deeper delusion and aahil's stupid approach to illness is keeping Sanam in her state of delusion.
Agree with Soup. Jannat is MAD and mad people can't be judged and held responsible for their actions.Am not sarcastic. Sanam t is just a toy, fantasised by two stupid men and manipulated by their enemies.
Ahil is the villain by default.He is even wearing black in promos😆 Shaad has been given an extreme whitewash,during SR.I hope he resisted and didn't get laid. But I'll always see him as the villain until he drops dead and pays for his sins with his life. Ahil having the same fate is also fine by me.

If Ahil gives up on Jinnat & let's her go to Fakeistan , i'll wonder whether if he would have dumped Sanam if she had got a cold or blood pressure? His inaction in this track bcoz of Sanam's "health issue" excuse is that silly.

P.S- Romanticising mental illness is getting me mad.

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