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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: surbhiholic-1

All I hav to say is jannat is not a mad women...she is a sick women..there is difference between mad women and sick women..so people get tht right first...

within jannat ther is sanam hidden who is loyal for her husband...this trait is sanam's so jannat is loyal to her husband...stress on husband
and jannat is lied by this major in Pakistan ..tht he is her husband...
yesterday's episode we see jannat saying it loud to herself why am I having feelings for aahil.. I am doing wrong..and I am being unfaithful to my husband
some peple here are saying she is mad ..becoz she feels for 2 prople..
I say no..
she doen't feel for shad...she only knows that he is her husband and she stongly feels for aahil..so she is trying her best to be close to shad to seduce shad and wht not..but still her heart beats for aahil..it was clearly shown in yeaterday's episode
and she also says again she cant control her feelings she has to decide somethg so she brings those pak tickets..and trys her best to not deceit her husband again stress on husband ..tht is sanam who is struggling within her ..
basically its chemical locha of this women..😆 and the two mem simply playing with her lik a toy..
gul always disrespects women in her show..shows women a pathetic way..and men as idiots thts all..


I don't think people are calling her Mad because she feels for two men, atleast i don't. It was a reference to her unstable mental condition and madness is sickness too.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JShukla

exactly Sim, Jannat can hardly be blamed for anything. I guess a couple of us earlier too have said- she is like a drunk wife at a pub who is creating a racket and her husband is letting her. Shad is a stranger, a nobody. So naturally he will look out for 'his' interests. And no his claims that he only wants Jannat's Khushi does not count coz he does not act according to his words(why administer sleeping pills to a mentally unsound woman- he could have just run away and claimed he was in pursuit of SK. he didn't coz he still wants to not become the bad guy/husband for Jannat. Again all about him) But Aahil has been shown to be extremely caring for his family. As Sim says he wouldn't dump Sanam if she catches common cold, so why should he dump her now? BTW is he planning to dump her? (Coz I haven't caught with episodes for 2 weeks so don't know, just segments are enough to repel me). Shad may or may not tell her the truth. but why should Aahil not tell her. HE is her husband, not Shad.

And both men have acted very irresponsibly. Shad , I don't care. But Aahil- the husband who claims he loves her to bits?? letting a woman make a spectacle of herself, just coz she is not in her senses. Don't we cover up for our loved ones even when they are hell bent to make a fool of themselves??
the last bold part of your post- exactly my feeling and I think this is what the makers are trying to show in all of Jannat's monologues.
Dil-E-Pagalpan - Nice post and thank for the PM.
Soup- So I understand Shad cried and you melted😲🤢😡
Are you telling me he cries better than Aahil😲


More than Shaaad, it is Aahil's responsibility to open her to the truth and even if this lame excuse of illness is given, he should have told to shaad straight who she is and made shaad stay away from her and then revive Sanam's memories! However this excuse of illness is lame because maybe it might be a shock to her, but when shaad wrote that letter it could have also caused harm, right?

Next thing is it doesn't mean that telling the truth would bring back her memory, it could give her shock but she'll be fine soon and he could have slowly revived her memories and it could have been a beautiful track! Even this had the potential but they ruined it to whitewash Shaad and go against morals!

Hmm!, for me only actors in the telly world who knows to cry and make us cry for it are kv and gurmeet! However, Kv takes the top! Both men do it splendidly that you cry so badly for them! No matter how much you resist crying you just cry!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

Juhi- I don't know what the makers want to show other than some sleaze.If i see Jaant's rudeness to Ahil as her defence against a much married man, trying to rock her marriage and her entire value system, it's perfectly fine. i say more power to Jinnat!
If we look at her defensive actions as her lack of love or respect for Ahil's feelings we could get offended,But if you see it as someone's struggle for her values,marriage,commitment etc , it's not wrong at all.i empathise with her rudeness, probably it's the only way she could think of to keep Ahil away & be true to her deep rooted values. what will the poor woman do?Her fake husband is BFF with the stranger.
Her belittling Ahil's love for Sanam is also cool with me.Most men attempt EMA by trying to some sympathy from women, either by bitching about their wives or moaning about the great love they lost. Jinnat could view Ahil's Sanma chant in this light .

Does Ahil really know his wife No1?
She didn't give up on him,when he was at his worst, post Aher and how can he expect her to give up on her current husband? i didn't connect with Sanam's pain then.She chose to suffer in silence instead of outing her con-sister and fixing her marriage. ahil is doing the same,with similar lame excuses.That's why don't care for his feelings.
Sanam is let down by her husband badly.

What will he do if she never regains her memory?
This whole track is absurd.


As for Jannat I agree what she is doing is human! Anyone would do it, but that doesn't mean she can accept everything Shaad says. She can believe him, but her past? Not Aahil, her familly, did she ever ask again about the missing file? This makes it unrealistic!
And also she blames Aahil, ok because he looks like that, but that doesn't mean she can be rude to him for everything? How much gratitude did she show when Aahil saved her from the guy in cocktail party! Sanam had a bad image of Aahil but she thanked everytime he helped her. Jannat cannot? She is in a very bad confusion because of the guys!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

@Simran:

Totally agree! The track is absurd! It's just like towards the end of Season2, we wondered about why exactly, Sanam, Rehan and Seher were not confiding in Aahil about what they know about Tanveer? Why are they not bringing proof of her misdeeds? They were stretching it like a piece of string and it started to become illogical. We started to see less and less logic and reasoning behind the hiding of the truth about Tanveer, and also Seher's existence! There Sanam chose to hide the truth from Aahil even when it was beyond logical reasoning, and we started to say that even Sanam2's foot-hold is partly due to her inaction, and started to feel less sympathy for her plight and diss her inaction! She started to look like the lost and wronged wife fighting a lone battle. Same thing happening to Aahil now. At least Sanam had Seher and Rehan. Aahil has no one, only his Major friend! :)


Again...the same thing is happening. Aahil is also choosing to hide the truth from Sanam due to her mental state etc etc, and now BFF with her fake husband! On top of that, Sanam / Jannat is daily messing her head and life up more and more. They just want to keep stretching this track to show some sleaze, more negativity, more killings, conspiracies, Sanam2 cheapness and black magic. That is all it's in aid of. Story wise it make NO sense whatsoever, and that is why I am over this nonsense and find it hard to sympathize with any of these characters now! Logic be damned, the whole thing makes no sense at all.


I read somewhere that 28 days have gone in the story? So where was Jannat sleeping all these days and how many more times did she attempt SR with Shaad and not succeed? I guess they conveniently swept that one under their massive rug? LOL.


Dil-E-Pagalpan - Thanks for the PM. Great topic.


When Sanam hid atleast somewhere it was not that pathetic, ofcourse it was pathetic but not as much as it is now!
As much as I speak of Sanam, she had always been honest but of course not as much as Aahil Raza Ibrahim! He looked how he was and showed who he was, whatever the world does! And seeing the same Aahil hiding the truth it hurts, hurts so bad! But, I have stopped feeling for the Naya Aahil! It's the old one I loved and will love!
All they want to do is please themselves from the sort of negativity, creepiness and sleaziness and trolling with Purity to accept this, but purity will never troll this and so the show has been damaged unrepairably! Still gul can do it, but she doesn't wish to!

When they dislike us, whom I to complain?😉

Yeah!, 28 days, but the precap looked interesting I'll just have that of Aahil and again leave to it's state!

Thanks, Mandy!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: JShukla

^^ Yes Sim... I do not find her rudeness to Aahil misplaced.

what are her options considering that she feels she is a woman married to a great loving guy , but feels an uncontrollable pull to another guy.
1. So she does not feel as hot and bothered around her good guy as she feels around this stranger Aahil. Off course she would want to douse this feeling. Do we expect her to act on these feelings? Go all out and have fun with this supposedly stranger who is too hot to resist? Why should she feel that the pull she feels towards Aahil is because she has a past connection to him and not because she feels turned on by his obviously hot personality.(fan- girling..again.. Juhi... sigh)
2. tell her much loving husband that she feels a pull towards Aahil..gasp.. and jeopardize her marriage some more which she feels she already has by keeping away physical intimacy and forgetting the efforts Shad must have made for her before her memory loss?
3. Suddenly realize that this is infact her home, Not knowing Shad's size(did the men tell her that is Aahil's size? as far as I know she attributed that to unskilled tailor), knowing Aahil's allergies, place of salt at IM do not add up when none of the residents of IM, people of Bhopal etc. have shown any indications of knowing her. So she dismisses them while being confused about them.
It is upto Aahil to get his mentally unsound wife treated. Get a detailed CT Scan and other tests done. Show her proofs of their marriage. bring her in proximity to people who knew her before marriage. Thank Shad for saving her life and show him the door.😆
Mandy, I could partially understand why SaSehan did not confide about Tanveer's evilness to Aahil earlier. It made for a dramatic confrontation, but Sanam not confiding about Seher's existence was stupid. And similarly stupid is Aahil not getting his sick wife treated.


True, what Jannat is doing is human although I don't tell as truth! She is away from the truth and is not able to confront her past but to favor her husband she can't blame others for EVERYTHING!

Things that I don't like about her are,

1. Jannat has to confront, if not for the Aahil thing but for the truth! How can she? But she has to! She has to confront Shaad whom she believes to be her husband and ask him that she wants to try to remember their yaadein, that she feels confused and would like to be as a friend to him for a few days. Otherwise she is cheating Shaad, it is not tit for tat because Sanam doesn't do that and she doesn't knows he betrayed her so she has to think about everyone! Choose the honest way and you'll solve your problems! The truth here I mean is that she isn't able to feel for him, leave aahil part aside!

2. The way she doesn't thank or show gratitude! she shows it to only her husband but not to aahil! I'm speaking of the cocktail party! Even Sanam showed gratitude every time he saved her or helped her in any way though she hated him! She could have atleast mumbled a thanks keeping the other happenings aside!

3. and those little things you mentioned above, the kitchen one, aahil's allergies, a bit of thinking on it! A bit of belief in others than her husband won't do harm! she isn't able to even believe herself!

Apart from this, i sympathize for her and feel she is human!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: THE_BOSS

More than Jannat and shaad i am angry at AHIL because of his stupidity and lack of actions...


but the harsh truth is ...Aahil will only act/do something whenever C.V's wants him to act...

during revenge track...aahil's character was butchered pathetically and he had nothing to do except crying...because c.v's wanted their fav seher to do all the work and become the hero...

same during billo's death ...aahil had nothing to do except crying because c.v's wanted their twin and zoya's ghost to kill billo...

same thing is happening now...aahil now has nothing to do except crying and repeating his..."YAHH MAULA" jaap ...coz c.v's wants shaad to do all the work and become the unofficial hero...because C.v's are in mission "developing Triangle" and "white washing shaad"...

so we can't give all the blames to aahil...because from day 1 he was the fav pawn of cv's...😆

the only time aahil behaved like a hero was during the dharamsala track ...when c.v's badly needed some good numbers in terms of TRP's...😆


True, there is a whole lot of mistake by aahil! More than Shaad, he is responsible to tell the truth, he is her husband!

But, when did the cvs listen? Same doings!🤢

Kv himself has shown his displeasure about the track and I'm proud of it! If not saying it you can see his moods!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: darkice7_12

Thanks for the PM.

In this track, I think both Aahil and Jannat/Sanam are positive in their own ways, but I have more sympathy for Aahil.

Despite of what I personally think of that lame as* explanation of hiding the truth from an amnesiac patient for their own good, that is what the CVs have decided as the "rule". Despite how much this is hurting Aahil, he believes that he will hurt Sanam by telling her the truth. He would rather he hurt himself, over and over again, rather than endanger her health. What has he done in order to ensure her safety once he found her? He brought her back to Bhopal, he's brought her into his home and "befriended" the man who she trusts, and has made that man come over to his side. Not the best choices, but the only choices he could make in this scenario with these unbreakable rules that the CVs have written.

As for Jannat, it hurts to see the Sanam we know belittle and hurt Aahil, but she doesn't know him as hers. She is desperately trying to hold onto the only truth she has been told, and is acting in such a way to keep herself (mind and body) safe. Her behavior is designed to make Aahil hate her so that she can't be tempted by him coming too close to her. As others have pointed out, she got a traumatic brain injury, yet never once have we seen her go to a hospital. Who knows? Continuing fallout from that injury could explain her changing behavior or we can blame the CVs. If I found myself feeling what I thought went against my ethics, I would tend to lash out, as well. What I can blame her for is not being honest with herself and I can blame her for not forgetting this jhanjat with the two men in her life and how no one has told her the truth (boo hoo), and actually getting off her butt and going out into the world to find her own truths. Stop depending on others, woman!

The only one I do blame for this situation is Shaad. He created the lie. He perpetuated it. He then freely told Jannat the truth in a letter when he fell in love, but won't do anything now. He is the one who needs to speak up or create the distance needed between him and Jannat, so that she would find it easy to trust him less.


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Well, I blame aahil more! The excuse of illness doesn't work! What if one day she knows the truth, will she die? does that mean any amnesic patient shouldn't be told his relations! They should and maybe he can slowly revive her memories!

two men, she feels for both and I have no problem with this. she would feel for shaad, being for 3 months or so! maybe all that love is for aahil but won't she feel anything being giving love to shaad for months! It maybe a wifey feeling or maybe even more than that- i don't blame her! She has been played and not told the truth? What's her wrong? but the thing is that the right feeling is to be known that is Aahil's!

And yeah there are also so many mistakes of Jannat that cannot be avoided! But that she doesn't confront irks me!

More than shaad, aahil is respinsible, he is her husband! he should care for her!

and Shaad- Simply No words! It's not healthy to waste so much energy on a useless person!😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24


I don't think people are calling her Mad because she feels for two men, atleast i don't. It was a reference to her unstable mental condition and madness is sickness too.


Same here people don't call her mad for feeling for two men- so many do it!
It's because she isn't able to think properly, not about the men but of her life and her memories, if not get them back, think where she belongs to and the mental condition Sim said!

I disagree for not feeling for two men. She does and I find no wrong in it, it might not be mohabbat but atleast the wifey feeling! She will have after staying with Shaad for months!

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Posted: 10 years ago
#39
Thanks for those bunch of replies! 😃

And yeah black has so many meanings- might be negative, might be dark absorber( a post made few months ago by mischy) and might be sexy! 😆

I would relate to it like the character says!😉

All I can say is Kv looks damn sexy and unbelievably hot in it!😳
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24


Everyone who wears black is not a villain, but villains are most likely to wear black. In this show
they've used colours symbolically to hint at the characters' traits. Ofc, they trash the symbolism few months down the line.It's true for few episodes.If you recall,during Rehan-Tanveer reveal he was wearing grey in the graveyard and he was a suspicions character for a while.
SK wearing white, i'll interpret her as an evil ghost and not an angel. I'm conditioned to see white ghosts not orange ones.😆 may be they want people to see SK as Tanveer's ghost? a blast from from past?
SK in her intro as Mizba wore black & red, meaning blood & mystery/evil, IMO.
I see ahil in white also as a ghost, a ghost of his former self, who roams around his wretched house co-habitating with a witch.
Black- also signifies power & mystery.And in QH only the villains have power. jannt wore black too😆


@bold, so which is it? Is he weak, or is he a strong villain?

Black is a strong color, and he has the strongest color there out of all of them. He is one of the focal points due to it.

In QH only villains have power, so why is the weak man wearing black then? Or he is showing power and mystery and so in QH since only villains have power, that means he's a villain?

Villains are not most likely to wear black because if that were the case, then we would see mostly black on villains and no black on others.

Yes Jannat wore black but the show really means for her to be a villain? No they don't.

Black is a a traditional and conventional formal color, so when a hero or heroine wear it, that doesn't mean they are being signified as villains..

Again why aren't the vamps wearing black then? Aahil was also wearing black along with Rehan and Tanveer and Sanam in the last S2 break bumper. Was Aahil a villain then, holding Sanam's hand? He was the victim Rehan, Sanam and Seher were trying to save from Tanveer. Seher was the only one in light color.😆 So all of them were villains except for Seher? Yes, they all did things wrong and were at various fault, but Seher was the white angel amongst all of them?😆

Black is traditional and classic formal wear as well as casual wear. Especially for men. Basically by your argument, shows should avoid classic outfits on heroes and heroines because black can give meaning that they are villains..

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Rehan it is only a few people here who think he ever had a chance of turning grey or negative. It's made clear by SS and others that he was never meant to be grey or negative. He really wasn't. Many of us never saw that in the narrative and were only worried about regular lame cliched lazy soap trends. But according to he he was graphed he was not grey, only a conflicted character who felt helpless and stuck.

But I will grant and agree that both he and Tanveer were wearing black while Aahil was wearing white. That is a deliberate contrast. However when they are wearing formal or everyday wear, it doesn't make black anything sinister evil or associated vith villainy. As I said, then heroines and heroes should avoid black outfits--even though it is one of the most pleasing and fashionable.

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