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Posted: 10 years ago
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Though the pitayi was gruesome I agree with Shanti completely that the epi showed couple of other things than what she has already mentioned.
- 7 Garuds are the part of the single body. And Shiva is the head. Now we have Shiva frightened that too with an irrational fear. That Rudra is captured. This irrational fear has paralyzed him and he is taking all the wrong actions in the name of saving Rudra which actually is not needed. Same is with the we humans. Many a times fear that too irrational ones stop us from doing the right things. Emotions rule the decision making process. What will papa say, mama say, what will society feel blah blah without asking yourself what exactly you want, without trying to understand whether there is any basis for that fear. Usually it is said that what manifest in mind over a period of time will manifest in reality. If Shiva continues to see Rudra captured, in real sense he will be captured and siding with his father's irrational fears in the name of insaniyaat the Garuds have allowed the fear to over power them.
- Bairavi has understood it and also the fact that the Garuda Pramukh has no support of other Garuds. The Garuds were pretty much fragmented. Her pitaayi has achieved one thing. When Rudra stood for Shiva the emotional Garuds stood behind him. Atleast they united against Bairavi and her methods. There will not be an internal mutiny of sorts. Bairavi has also understood that Shiva's irrational fear will come to reality and if there is any chance of saving Rudra at that time, it is better she goes now. Because Rudra has given himself to emotions from the time Leela is shot. Instead of his primary duty as protector of Amrit, he has given importance to the duty of protector. Protect each and every thing doesn't matter enemy or friend. Because that is what is insaniyaat. Doesn't want to see anyone in pain. What nonsense. Pain is needed at times so that cancer doesn't spread. She understood Rudra cannot be coached on the importance of controlling emotions. He has to face the consequences of his insaniyaat if he needs to be corrected. She has taken a very harsh decision to leave them and by her actions made Rudra himself do it, allowing them to find their own way and then come to her.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What has disappointed me most is the shoddy way the characters have been demolished.
One by one, either they have been dumbed down, or minisculed and not allowed to grow and contribute to the story.

The last victims of the writers 'Vish' is Bhairavi - and I think writers are the true Nagas.

1. Now there is no difference in the naga way and Garuda way - they both follow the principle of obey the leader unquestioningly or get beaten up.

2. The Garudas have completely lost the beautiful Harmony of saat sur that make a sargam, which is what the initial premise was - each sur beautiful and complete in itself, yet incomplete without the other six, each sur to have its special place and accorded due respect, or else the raga will be adhura.

3. Bhairavi who was supposed to be the feet that keep the Garudas grounded, is now behaving like the maha guru who is answerable only to the Pramukh and lesser mortals dare not question her

4. The wise old lady who knew how to reach out to Rudra by taking the form of his maimui accords no such benevolence towards the other Garudas and resorts to extreme physical violence to subdue them.

5. She never once tried to connect to them, or explain the Vish and its consequences and take them along, rather has become dictatorial.

6. So she has failed and now seems to be as egoistic as Dansh

7. While the Garudas may not know their shaktis yet, Bhairavi has made no attempt in that direction, surely the others too could have been awakened by her- but that doesn't seem to be her concern at all. The others are inconsequential to her - she is now as arrogant as Dansh

8. She has no empathy for the plight of shiva or Rudra, while this may be the only treatment, a bit of angst from her for the harshness she is forced to do, would've been nice - now she is as merciless as Dansh

9. The other Garudas have been beaten up by the naga writers too, they show no respect for the intelligence of these wonderful characters who were brought in.

10. While they may not know their shakti, their inherent nature which was to evolve into the shakti is also nowhere in sight.

11. Here I would like to site one my fav books the wizard of oz, though a children's book, it packs such infinite wisdom, that I still read it when I want something delightful to read.

12. The tin man, the straw man, the cowardly lion all claimed they had no heart, or brain or courage, but had their inherent nature of warmth, intelligence and courage, but were not aware that they possessed these virtues.

13. They acted by instinct, unaware that these were the strengths they possessed. But our Garudas do no such thing. They just walk around like zombies saying senseless stuff.

14. Charles and DM - the shoulders who would take on all burdens and provide strength, are doing no such thing, they with their opposite thinking are making the Garudas weak

15. Katherine the body that keeps them together is a thali ka baingan with no thoughts of her own and has not been seen to keep the Garudas United

16. Rudra - the dil, who cares for all, shows more care for the Nagin but does not attempt to explain or talk to his own body parts

17. Thapadiya Mai - the legs who are to show the direction, is too busy crying hysterically at the drop of a hat, to show anything to anyone, she needs to be carried instead.

18. Bhairavi - the feet to keep them grounded - is too high and mighty with the others and her way of keeping them grounded is to beat them and knock them down !

19. The less said about the dimaag ji, the better. The only one who had a real inkling of the danger has not taken any steps to keep himself or the other Garudas protected. He has allowed himself to be kidnapped and rekidnapped a zillion times- way re dimag !!!!!

20. The real nagas of the story are the writers who write teh Garudas with a pen dipped in poison inspired by the saas bahu dramas they so specialize in.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I kept oscillating between tunes of :Kisne ye humpe hara rang dala" and "Abhi to party (pitayi) shuru hai hai) in my head-- and now I cant get them out. Arshi you are a laugh riot.

i dont think i will be able to get any work done today, i am too busy chuckling (my team is giving me weird looks for no reason😳😉)

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: apple64

I kept oscillating between tunes of :Kisne ye humpe hara rang dala" and "Abhi to party (pitayi) shuru hai hai) in my head-- and now I cant get them out. Arshi you are a laugh riot.

i dont think i will be able to get any work done today, i am too busy chuckling (my team is giving me weird looks for no reason😳😉)

Alpana


Alpana,

Thanks, and aur kya, this kabhi zeher kabhi pitayi story has made dahi of our dimaags.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Perfect 10 for this post. I agree with all 20 points.👏👏👏

If at all this show is compared it should be between initial episodes and current episodes.😡



Originally posted by: Arshics

What has disappointed me most is the shoddy way the characters have been demolished.

One by one, either they have been dumbed down, or minisculed and not allowed to grow and contribute to the story.

The last victims of the writers 'Vish' is Bhairavi - and I think writers are the true Nagas.

1. Now there is no difference in the naga way and Garuda way - they both follow the principle of obey the leader unquestioningly or get beaten up.

2. The Garudas have completely lost the beautiful Harmony of saat sur that make a sargam, which is what the initial premise was - each sur beautiful and complete in itself, yet incomplete without the other six, each sur to have its special place and accorded due respect, or else the raga will be adhura.

3. Bhairavi who was supposed to be the feet that keep the Garudas grounded, is now behaving like the maha guru who is answerable only to the Pramukh and lesser mortals dare not question her

4. The wise old lady who knew how to reach out to Rudra by taking the form of his maimui accords no such benevolence towards the other Garudas and resorts to extreme physical violence to subdue them.

5. She never once tried to connect to them, or explain the Vish and its consequences and take them along, rather has become dictatorial.

6. So she has failed and now seems to be as egoistic as Dansh

7. While the Garudas may not know their shaktis yet, Bhairavi has made no attempt in that direction, surely the others too could have been awakened by her- but that doesn't seem to be her concern at all. The others are inconsequential to her - she is now as arrogant as Dansh

8. She has no empathy for the plight of shiva or Rudra, while this may be the only treatment, a bit of angst from her for the harshness she is forced to do, would've been nice - now she is as merciless as Dansh

9. The other Garudas have been beaten up by the naga writers too, they show no respect for the intelligence of these wonderful characters who were brought in.

10. While they may not know their shakti, their inherent nature which was to evolve into the shakti is also nowhere in sight.

11. Here I would like to site one my fav books the wizard of oz, though a children's book, it packs such infinite wisdom, that I still read it when I want something delightful to read.

12. The tin man, the straw man, the cowardly lion all claimed they had no heart, or brain or courage, but had their inherent nature of warmth, intelligence and courage, but were not aware that they possessed these virtues.

13. They acted by instinct, unaware that these were the strengths they possessed. But our Garudas do no such thing. They just walk around like zombies saying senseless stuff.

14. Charles and DM - the shoulders who would take on all burdens and provide strength, are doing no such thing, they with their opposite thinking are making the Garudas weak

15. Katherine the body that keeps them together is a thali ka baingan with no thoughts of her own and has not been seen to keep the Garudas United

16. Rudra - the dil, who cares for all, shows more care for the Nagin but does not attempt to explain or talk to his own body parts

17. Thapadiya Mai - the legs who are to show the direction, is too busy crying hysterically at the drop of a hat, to show anything to anyone, she needs to be carried instead.

18. Bhairavi - the feet to keep them grounded - is too high and mighty with the others and her way of keeping them grounded is to beat them and knock them down !

19. The less said about the dimaag ji, the better. The only one who had a real inkling of the danger has not taken any steps to keep himself or the other Garudas protected. He has allowed himself to be kidnapped and rekidnapped a zillion times- way re dimag !!!!!

20. The real nagas of the story are the writers who write teh Garudas with a pen dipped in poison inspired by the saas bahu dramas they so specialize in.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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@ Arshi - Great posts both of them.

@ Santhi/ Shruti - Liked your posts and agree.

I wish MB had taken a danda to Rudra too. What happened to the observer in him? He is blinded by emotions yet again. Shiva's importance of being the brains is yet again felt. MB does not connect with the other Garuds. She is disconnected just like Rudra is disconnected. They all are moving in different directions. Though she has diagnosed the problem right, the other Garuds are not in the right frame of mind to appreciate her methods or her way of doing it. If she had explained to Rudra about Shiva's condition and the way to go about it, he may have reacted differently.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Arshi,

Aha! Now it is your turn to be disgusted by overt violence, is it? 😉And yet Bhairavi's (admittedly brutal and unconscionable) thrashing of Shivanand was far milder than the slo mo, totally relished murder of Daadi by Dansh, or that awful hallucination scene where he murdered two gagged victims just to addle Shiva's brain, which had many here waxing eloquent about the lines, disregarding what was going on in the foreground. To each his or her own.

But I am sure, my dear, that you see the difference between this one, very off-putting though it is, and Dansh's cruelties. MB's intent is pure, even if her methods might seem to leave much to be desired, for how can one leach poison out a person by beating him? Whereas Dansh was doing what he did with evil intent, and with sadistic pleasure in inflicting so much pain. That is why I could not stand the latter two while, after a few moments, this latest seemed almost comic, like a Tom and Jerry cartoon, which too are invariably very violent.

So, after the first instant of shock, I was in stitches, and for two pins I would have given the relentlessly OTT Shivanand a couple of whacks with that lathi myself, for boring me half to death😉 - though not on his head, poor thing!

And I did enjoy the garud troika been ground into the dust in Shiva's library. That too was like the comic fights in the old mythologicals, especially the neat knocks on the head which invariably had the kids in the audience in whoops!

As for our future prospects, here they are with just 42 episodes left, and almost 2/3 rds of an episode, spread over yesterday and today, has been devoted to a snivelling, weeping Shivanand! I do not know when exactly Shruthi's beautifully explained 14th day equivalent will arrive, and who is to play Lord Krishna - if it is to be MB, the sole likely candidate, the visual mismatch boggles the mind!😉- but personally, I have my doubts.

The garuds seem right now to be a lost case, what with MB having disappeared (with the Two Books) and the imperious Garuda Pramukh babbling that he stands for insaniyat, ie admitting Dansh's mole Leela into the garud sanctum sanctorum just on his say so.

He might want his fellow garuds (minus MB) + Rao to forget who Leela is and where she has come from, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she will not!

So I was right and Dansh has smuggled her into the garud camp, after slapping her hard enough to draw blood and make it convincing for her to pose as a shoshit abla naari, no, shoshit abla naagin. Now there is a chap who knows what he wants and how to get it. The garuds, headed by Rudra, know neither.😲

And Drish has started drilling in the Mahakumbh area, which reminded me of Ocean's Thirteen and the tunnelling under the Las Vegas casinos. Well, we mock our scripts, but there, they mentioned specifically that they had brought the Chunnel tunnelling drill. Can you imagine that digging under a casino? The whole gaming floor would have collapsed first thing. But they were not at all bothered with that huge bloomer in the script!😉

Methinks, Arshi, that the story has been mislaid somewhere down the road,and of late, the actors too seem to have mislaid their skills, all bar Seema Biswas. Even Rudra, except for a few snatch's last night, has become static. But the look in MB's eyes today as she was weighing Rudra's outrage in her mind, and thinking how best to coax him into laying off, was wonderful.

Though she too seems to be falling prey to the TV soap mantra, never explain even the simplest things in time, and instead foment misunderstandings galore.. She does try to explain her modus operandi to Rudra, but not in enough detail to carry conviction when it is his father being thrashed so hard.

But he is so overwrought that he does not even grasp what she is saying when she hisses at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe. For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I thought I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.

The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I think not. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone. Maybe it is all a sham, with purposes that need no explanation.

It remains to be seen where she has taken herself off to to, for she was not there when Rudra was fussing over a recumbent Leela, though the useless Professor Rao has reappeared. It would be a neat twist if he turned out to be Greyerson's new contact, as some here suspect, but unfortunately, it seems unlikely to me.

Shyamala




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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi, I liked the episode and I liked your post too.
If you look beyond the pitaayi, there were few things which were very interesting.

1 - Bhairavi telling Tiwari - "I could have killed you, but then you are a Garud, and in the end I require you for my work." So somebody may be head, somebody the shoulder, somebody the merudand, but the real shakti or the real power seems to lie with Bhairavi

2 - When Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, he tries to put all his strength to break the shackles. And that gives Bhairavi hope and she continues beating him up. It is the poison which has made him unaware of his powers. And Bhairavi is beating the bhoot/poison out of him. This very Shivanand endured worse torture than what Bhairavi is inflicting upon him. But not today. Because he is no longer the old Shiva. And as the new promo shows, he is an agent of the Nagas. There is poison in him which is almost eating up his Garudatwa. And Bhairavi knows this and needs to do something quickly.

3 - Bhairavi's methods may seem extreme. But the times are not normal either. I was in fact disappointed with Rudra. Rudra needs Faith. Faith in his Guru. And surrender. And that is what Rudra is shown lacking. Here is Bhairavi who gave you enlightenment, who made you see the true purpose in your life. She gave you punarjanma. Have faith in her. Without Shraddha or faith in the Guru, no one can reach a higher level of understanding. And why doesn't Rudra question himself - can he have more compassion than his Guru? No. Absolutely no. If Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, it only reflects her compassion. But what kind of Shishya are you who can't see the compassion and concern of your Guru?

I think yesterday's episode had lot of things to say beyond the pitaayi. And yesterday's episode belonged to Seema ji.
Edited by sp108 - 10 years ago
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Arshi,

I can see real anguish distilled into your 20 points. But my dear, I think you are going into mourning too soon, at least about MB. Do see my separate post to you above. As for the "extreme violence", the whacks given to the garuds in the library were straight out of the 1960s mythologicals, that used to have kids in whoops. 😉 What was there so serious about them?

Yes, MB could have explained a bit more to the garuds, and perhaps even she seems to be falling prey to the TV soap mantra, never explain even the simplest things in time, and end up fomenting misunderstandings galore.. She does try to explain her modus operandi to Rudra, but not in enough detail to carry conviction to him when it is his father being thrashed so hard.

But as for the beating Shiva got, it was nothing, but nothing compared to the way in which Dansh murdered Daadi, with intense relish, and then killed 2 gagged victims in cold blood just to addle Shiva's brains. Not many here were bothered with that truly sadistic violence, whereas MB's pitayi seems to be raising a lot of hackles.

In fact, after the first shock to the viewer, it seemed to be out of the (invariably violent) Tom and Jerry cartoons. Then again, we know that MB is acting for the good of the garuds, which is a crucial factor.

Rudra is as usual facilely emotional, babbling about insaaniyat and how he cannot see anyone in pain. I begin to wonder why they ever made him the Garuda Pramukh. It is ironic that his first sally into insaaniyat is directed at a non-insaan, the naga mole Leela.

Besides, so overwrought is he that he does not even grasp what MB is saying when she hisses at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe. For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I thought I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.

The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I think not. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone. I now feel it was all a sham, with purposes that need no explanation.

And I agree cent per cent with Shreya. Rudra lacks both shraddha and vishwas in his guru, and as for the mandatory samarpan, the less said the better. For me, he fails big time. The blowback will be terrible, and then he will face an enemy in his own camp, his former Baba. It might then be almost too late. But only almost , as this is a fairy story, not real life.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Arshics

What has disappointed me most is the shoddy way the characters have been demolished.

One by one, either they have been dumbed down, or minisculed and not allowed to grow and contribute to the story.

The last victims of the writers 'Vish' is Bhairavi - and I think writers are the true Nagas.

1. Now there is no difference in the naga way and Garuda way - they both follow the principle of obey the leader unquestioningly or get beaten up.

2. The Garudas have completely lost the beautiful Harmony of saat sur that make a sargam, which is what the initial premise was - each sur beautiful and complete in itself, yet incomplete without the other six, each sur to have its special place and accorded due respect, or else the raga will be adhura.

3. Bhairavi who was supposed to be the feet that keep the Garudas grounded, is now behaving like the maha guru who is answerable only to the Pramukh and lesser mortals dare not question her

4. The wise old lady who knew how to reach out to Rudra by taking the form of his maimui accords no such benevolence towards the other Garudas and resorts to extreme physical violence to subdue them.

5. She never once tried to connect to them, or explain the Vish and its consequences and take them along, rather has become dictatorial.

6. So she has failed and now seems to be as egoistic as Dansh

7. While the Garudas may not know their shaktis yet, Bhairavi has made no attempt in that direction, surely the others too could have been awakened by her- but that doesn't seem to be her concern at all. The others are inconsequential to her - she is now as arrogant as Dansh

8. She has no empathy for the plight of shiva or Rudra, while this may be the only treatment, a bit of angst from her for the harshness she is forced to do, would've been nice - now she is as merciless as Dansh

9. The other Garudas have been beaten up by the naga writers too, they show no respect for the intelligence of these wonderful characters who were brought in.

10. While they may not know their shakti, their inherent nature which was to evolve into the shakti is also nowhere in sight.

11. Here I would like to site one my fav books the wizard of oz, though a children's book, it packs such infinite wisdom, that I still read it when I want something delightful to read.

12. The tin man, the straw man, the cowardly lion all claimed they had no heart, or brain or courage, but had their inherent nature of warmth, intelligence and courage, but were not aware that they possessed these virtues.

13. They acted by instinct, unaware that these were the strengths they possessed. But our Garudas do no such thing. They just walk around like zombies saying senseless stuff.

14. Charles and DM - the shoulders who would take on all burdens and provide strength, are doing no such thing, they with their opposite thinking are making the Garudas weak

15. Katherine the body that keeps them together is a thali ka baingan with no thoughts of her own and has not been seen to keep the Garudas United

16. Rudra - the dil, who cares for all, shows more care for the Nagin but does not attempt to explain or talk to his own body parts

17. Thapadiya Mai - the legs who are to show the direction, is too busy crying hysterically at the drop of a hat, to show anything to anyone, she needs to be carried instead.

18. Bhairavi - the feet to keep them grounded - is too high and mighty with the others and her way of keeping them grounded is to beat them and knock them down !

19. The less said about the dimaag ji, the better. The only one who had a real inkling of the danger has not taken any steps to keep himself or the other Garudas protected. He has allowed himself to be kidnapped and rekidnapped a zillion times- way re dimag !!!!!

20. The real nagas of the story are the writers who write teh Garudas with a pen dipped in poison inspired by the saas bahu dramas they so specialize in.

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Bravo, my dear Shreya! A scintillating and lucid analysis that I would have been delighted to have done myself.

I agree 101% with your take on Rudra's failure as a shishya to this extraordinary guru of his. But then, my dear, Rudra has always been a weakling in the spirit, unable to think a thing out for himself, swayed by instant emotions, and always having to cling to someone else's mind in order to be able to formulate his own ideas. The sole exception to this rule was the bombs incident, but it now seems to be the exception that proves the rule. In this, he resembles the invariably mahaan TV soap bahus, except that he is the wrong gender! So it not surprising that at crunch time, he is found wanting.

Instead, he is, as usual, facilely emotional, babbling about insaaniyat and how he cannot see anyone in pain. I begin to wonder why they ever made him the Garuda Pramukh. It is ironic that his first sally into insaaniyat is directed at a non-insaan, the naga mole Leela.😉

Besides, so overwrought is he that he does not even grasp a key point that is crucial to his under standing of what is really going on.

This is about what MB is saying when she hisses at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe. For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I thought I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.

The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I am sure that I was correct. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone. I now feel it was all a sham, with purposes that need no explanation.

The blowback of Rudra's lack of faith in MB will be terrible, and then he will face an enemy in his own camp, his former Baba. It might then be almost too late. But only almost , as this is a fairy story, not real life!

As for pitayi itself, do see my post to Arshi above. It reminded me of the Tom and Jerry cartoons. But I think the writers failed in not giving some hint, more than the fleeting look in Shivanand's eyes, to let the viewer know what is really happening.

As for the episode belonging to Seema Biswas' MB, is that not the rule?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sp108

Arshi, I liked the episode and I liked your post too.

If you look beyond the pitaayi, there were few things which were very interesting.

1 - Bhairavi telling Tiwari - "I could have killed you, but then you are a Garud, and in the end I require you for my work." So somebody may be head, somebody the shoulder, somebody the merudand, but the real shakti or the real power seems to lie with Bhairavi

2 - When Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, he tries to put all his strength to break the shackles. And that gives Bhairavi hope and she continues beating him up. It is the poison which has made him unaware of his powers. And Bhairavi is beating the bhoot/poison out of him. This very Shivanand endured worse torture than what Bhairavi is inflicting upon him. But not today. Because he is no longer the old Shiva. And as the new promo shows, he is an agent of the Nagas. There is poison in him which is almost eating up his Garudatwa. And Bhairavi knows this and needs to do something quickly.

3 - Bhairavi's methods may seem extreme. But the times are not normal either. I was in fact disappointed with Rudra. Rudra needs Faith. Faith in his Guru. And surrender. And that is what Rudra is shown lacking. Here is Bhairavi who gave you enlightenment, who made you see the true purpose in your life. She gave you punarjanma. Have faith in her. Without Shraddha or faith in the Guru, no one can reach a higher level of understanding. And why doesn't Rudra question himself - can he have more compassion than his Guru? No. Absolutely no. If Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, it only reflects her compassion. But what kind of Shishya are you who can't see the compassion and concern of your Guru?

I think yesterday's episode had lot of things to say beyond the pitaayi. And yesterday's episode belonged to Seema ji.

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