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Posted: 10 years ago
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i think that she may need to change the method, but then again there is the femous dialogue from mary kom, "kisi ko tum itnaa bhi mat daraao ke darr khatam ho jaye."some thing like that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks so much Aunty 😃

I wanted to jump inside the TV and shake-up Rudra. Bhairavi's stick could have done the trick, but I guess she is saving it for some other day 😉

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Bravo, my dear Shreya! A scintillating and lucid analysis that I would have been delighted to have done myself.

I agree 101% with your take on Rudra's failure as a shishya to this extraordinary guru of his. But then, my dear, Rudra has always been a weakling in the spirit, unable to think a thing out for himself, swayed by instant emotions, and always having to cling to someone else's mind in order to be able to formulate his own ideas. The sole exception to this rule was the bombs incident, but it now seems to be the exception that proves the rule. In this, he resembles the invariably mahaan TV soap bahus, except that he is the wrong gender! So it not surprising that at crunch time, he is found wanting.

Instead, he is, as usual, facilely emotional, babbling about insaaniyat and how he cannot see anyone in pain. I begin to wonder why they ever made him the Garuda Pramukh. It is ironic that his first sally into insaaniyat is directed at a non-insaan, the naga mole Leela.😉

Besides, so overwrought is he that he does not even grasp a key point that is crucial to his under standing of what is really going on.

This is about what MB is saying when she hisses at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe. For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I thought I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.

The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I am sure that I was correct. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone. I now feel it was all a sham, with purposes that need no explanation.

The blowback of Rudra's lack of faith in MB will be terrible, and then he will face an enemy in his own camp, his former Baba. It might then be almost too late. But only almost , as this is a fairy story, not real life!

As for pitayi itself, do see my post to Arshi above. It reminded me of the Tom and Jerry cartoons. But I think the writers failed in not giving some hint, more than the fleeting look in Shivanand's eyes, to let the viewer know what is really happening.

As for the episode belonging to Seema Biswas' MB, is that not the rule?

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 10 years ago
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sach me arshi ab bht dimaag kharab ho raha
ek to mere shiva ki bus pitai ho rahi last 10epi dissappointed
aur rudra kisi kaam ka nahi dikh raha mujhe
dekh rahe hai serial kyunki frist epi se dekh rahe hai aur limted epi ka serial hai
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Makers really need to wield a stick on rudra and get him out of his dumb avatar. The conceptualisation of the character of rudra has been largely mahadisappointing and mahadumb , barring a few instances . It must be one of the most badly written super-hero character . Barrring a few instances here and there , at no point has Rudra looked like a larger than life super-hero. Apart from this , i liked the episode and seemaji . Her acting was awesome . I do agree even i found the pitayi of three garuds comical .But i somehow , absolutely abhorred the beating up of shivanand. Somehow to me , it was symbolic of the regresssive mind-set we have in india , where ppl beat their near and dear ones , black and blue, presumably to drive away evil spirits . If a learned person like bhairavi also has to resort to this , she is no different from a mundane witchhunter who is resorting to pitayi to drive away a bhoot ( read here , naga ). And yes , i found Shivanand perfect in his display of paranoia .
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shyamala, Shreya
Dansh's cruelty and the gruesome murders :

Dansh is a monster and monsters do evil things, they are expected to be so.

In fact that's what makes us hate them.

So his carnage of Rudras family was what established him as the evil most naga supremo

Repulsive as it was, it was expected from him

His pointless killing of the two men after administering the hallucinogen to shiva - again goes to show how lightly he holds pain and torture and death of others, and I don't mind it, because one day, if the writers are just and fair, he too shall suffer the same fate, and that I shall enjoy very much thank you.


Bhairavis cruelty :

But Bhairavi - who has taken on the roop of maimui - she cannot be so cruel! If thrashing shiva is needed to cure him ( I want to kill the writers with the same lathi, for writing this situation and making maimui do such horrendous acts ), the beating up of Katherine and Charles and DM was completely uncalled for.

She knows how to mesmerize Rudra with her wisdom and get him to do tasks of great courage, why would she not offer the same wisdom to the others ?

As for vishvas in the guru, she has hardly been a guru to these Garudas, and secondly, no matter how much we love, trust and venerate our guru, must we not question her, and do show our disagreement if the guru commits acts that our hearts and brains and conscious do not condone?

True Bhakti is not blind obedience to a person, it's to a cause, and to the values taught by the guru

So, I was very disappointed with Bhairavi last night - if she has a higher reason, and I am sure the writers will give her something, she still has to take the path of reason and compassion and not of command and demand

Bhaiaravi is supposedly a good soul, and good souls do not resort to violence unless strictly necessary

And the beating up of Garudas - unnecessary !!!!

For me these scenes are far more repulsive than Dansh's cruelty, for that we know was wrong - he is showing us what not be be...

Bhairavi till now was the adarsh guru - a role model we all aspire to be ...

And her actions were really not what an adarsh guru would do

This the writers want us to accept as right - I can't

This thing of being cruel for the greater good - the arguement given by all dictators, to justify their actions. Truly compassionate people will do this as the last resort and not the first reaction.

So for me good has to be good, and bad is bad


Zalim kare zulm, yeh uski fitrat hai

Koi Aur ummeed bhi nahi rakhna usse

Chot pahunchana uski aadat hai

Par gar koi zakham chota sa apna sathi de jaye

Toh woh, tan ko lage na lage,

dil ko tod jaye, Ruh to cheer jaye ...


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely, Arshi, especially the last sher. But I am hardly surprised!

But tell me, my dear, what if there was NO way of curing Shivanand of this infectious poison bar this kind of beating, what then? It is like they way they used to cauterise wounds with a heated iron rod in old days when there were no antiseptics and no antibiotics.

Then MB would be perfectly justified in doing what she was doing, for she can hardly risk the lives of not just the other garuds but of all the pilgrims at the Mahakumbh just so that Shivanand can be spared these blows. Left alone, he will not only get steadily worse, but he will soon begin to infect the rest as well, beginning with Rudra.

I think, from that sly look of his that I caught, that he is not weeping and wailing in truth at all, but the devil inside him is shamming it. The overall cringing and whimpering is totally unlike Shivanand as we have known him, and as he was even while driving the shav vaahan. He was disoriented and confused, but he was not weak nor did he cringe and wail as he is doing now.

You are reacting from the sentimental point of view. It is not a question of good and bad. It is a question of unavoidable harshness.

I do not see Bhairavi as being needlessly cruel; she is not the kind to enjoy inflicting pain. So if she, who is totally dedicated to the Mission Amrit, does this kind of thing, it is because it is necessary. She is not thrashing Shivanand, but the demon lurking inside him, and this only because there is no other way. Avoiding this beating is a luxury she cannot afford.

I never said that the other garuds should see her as their guru. But Rudra the Garuda Pramukh, who exists only because she picked him up, healed him, boosted his morale and guided him, surely should understand her better and have more faith in her actions being rational.

If he really reveres her as his guru, surely he should at least think that there has to be a reason for her totally uncharacteristic behaviour, and ask her why she thinks it necessary to do this? But he does not, and here he fails totally. He is going to pay for it soon, and I am waiting for that. I find Rudra (not Gautam) terminally irritating these days,and he deserves all that is coming to him.

As for the other garuds and Rao, they do not count for anything, which is a pity. This said, I wonder, now that MB is no longer there to guide him and with a sinister Shivanand on his hands, what apna Rudra proposes to do, of course bar fussing over his protege, the naga mole Leela. I am waiting and watching.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Arshics

Shyamala, Shreya

Dansh's cruelty and the gruesome murders :

Dansh is a monster and monsters do evil things, they are expected to be so.

In fact that's what makes us hate them.

So his carnage of Rudras family was what established him as the evil most naga supremo

Repulsive as it was, it was expected from him

His pointless killing of the two men after administering the hallucinogen to shiva - again goes to show how lightly he holds pain and torture and death of others, and I don't mind it, because one day, if the writers are just and fair, he too shall suffer the same fate, and that I shall enjoy very much thank you.

Bhairavis cruelty :

But Bhairavi - who has taken on the roop of maimui - she cannot be so cruel! If thrashing shiva is needed to cure him ( I want to kill the writers with the same lathi, for writing this situation and making maimui do such horrendous acts ), the beating up of Katherine and Charles and DM was completely uncalled for.

She knows how to mesmerize Rudra with her wisdom and get him to do tasks of great courage, why would she not offer the same wisdom to the others ?

As for vishvas in the guru, she has hardly been a guru to these Garudas, and secondly, no matter how much we love, trust and venerate our guru, must we not question her, and do show our disagreement if the guru commits acts that our hearts and brains and conscious do not condone?

True Bhakti is not blind obedience to a person, it's to a cause, and to the values taught by the guru

So, I was very disappointed with Bhairavi last night - if she has a higher reason, and I am sure the writers will give her something, she still has to take the path of reason and compassion and not of command and demand

Bhaiaravi is supposedly a good soul, and good souls do not resort to violence unless strictly necessary

And the beating up of Garudas - unnecessary !!!!

For me these scenes are far more repulsive than Dansh's cruelty, for that we know was wrong - he is showing us what not be be...

Bhairavi till now was the adarsh guru - a role model we all aspire to be ...

And her actions were really not what an adarsh guru would do

This the writers want us to accept as right - I can't

This thing of being cruel for the greater good - the arguement given by all dictators, to justify their actions. Truly compassionate people will do this as the last resort and not the first reaction.

So for me good has to be good, and bad is bad


Zalim kare zulm, yeh uski fitrat hai

Koi Aur ummeed bhi nahi rakhna usse

Chot pahunchana uski aadat hai

Par gar koi zakham chota sa apna sathi de jaye

Toh woh, tan ko lage na lage,

dil ko tod jaye, Ruh to cheer jaye ...


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shyamalaji The writers are Narad Muni😊
They have managed to generate lot of discussion on forum . They might have Whispered some things in the show but discussions are LOUD.😛

Just want to put my view on the 'Infectious Poison' mentioned by you. The infectious poison could be airborne/ food borne/ water borne. Here its Drug induced one which has led to mental distuebance in Shiva. Maimui thinks Shiva's this condition might infect others. I feel she only means other Garuds will start showing mental imbalance/ revolt , But I am sure not as a result of Shiva's poison.

The good old days had remedies for poison where herbs were used and Raktamokshan or taking blood out intravenously was one of the remedy. Even Leeches were used to take the impure blood out. 😳

MB being 'Jack of Many trades ' , I thought shoud have used at least Garudi Vidya on Shiva. There are sohisticated ways to Bring the poison out of the body. To protect Shiva and others thrashing with ROD is completely unacceptable.😡

With the current progression of events in the show. its heading to a 'Game of Chinese Whispers'. 😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, Dansh said, with great satisfaction, to Leela that he had injected so much poison into Shivanand that he was now so possessed by fear that he would not be able to recognise his own son, or differentiate between friend and foe. And that it would spread, and soon all the 7 garuds would fight among themselves and destroy each other, so that all the nagas would have to bother about would be getting the amrit.

Now I do not know what that implies in terms of the means of transmission, but he did say clearly that this fear would spread from Shivanand to the others.

Tonight I was very pleased to see that MB had gone to beard Dansh in his own den. She has clearly given up on Rudra for now, and has decided to find out what the nagas are up to from the horse's mouth, thru the offer of a deal to Dansh.. Of course she means to outwit him in the end, as happened after the samudramanthan, so MB as Lord Krishna and Mohini seems to be on the cards!😉 No wonder Dansh immediately asks about how the sharing would be done!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Shyamalaji The writers are Narad Muni😊
They have managed to generate lot of discussion on forum . They might have Whispered some things in the show but discussions are LOUD.😛

Just want to put my view on the 'Infectious Poison' mentioned by you. The infectious poison could be airborne/ food borne/ water borne. Here its Drug induced one which has led to mental distuebance in Shiva. Maimui thinks Shiva's this condition might infect others. I feel she only means other Garuds will start showing mental imbalance/ revolt , But I am sure not as a result of Shiva's poison.

The good old days had remedies for poison where herbs were used and Raktamokshan or taking blood out intravenously was one of the remedy. Even Leeches were used to take the impure blood out. 😳

MB being 'Jack of Many trades ' , I thought shoud have used at least Garudi Vidya on Shiva. There are sohisticated ways to Bring the poison out of the body. To protect Shiva and others thrashing with ROD is completely unacceptable.😡

With the current progression of events in the show. its heading to a 'Game of Chinese Whispers'. 😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, Dansh said, with great satisfaction, to Leela that he had injected so much poison into Shivanand that he was now so possessed by fear that he would not be able to recognise his own son, or differentiate between friend and foe. And that it would spread, and soon all the 7 garuds would fight among themselves and destroy each other, so that all the nagas would have to bother about would be getting the amrit.

Now I do not know what that implies in terms of the means of transmission, but he did say clearly that this fear would spread from Shivanand to the others.

Tonight I was very pleased to see that MB had gone to beard Dansh in his own den. She has clearly given up on Rudra for now, and has decided to find out what the nagas are up to from the horse's mouth, thru the offer of a deal to Dansh.. Of course she means to outwit him in the end, as happened after the samudramanthan, so MB as Lord Krishna and Mohini seems to be on the cards!😉 No wonder Dansh immediately asks about how the sharing would be done!


Shyamala



Yes I loved MB visiting Dansh and doing some negotiations. Looks like a good strategy to me.😛


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I would have wished that we knew a bit more behind Bhairavi's background. She kinda jumped right into the story and said, "Hey! I'm the last Garuda, here's my tattoo to prove it!" I realize that she helped Rudra awaken his powers, but why doesn't she help the other Garudas as well? She should be everyone's guru, not just Rudra's. It seems as if she only focuses on him. It's so aggravating!
And also, as someone else has already mentioned in this thread, the lack of communication between the Garudas can become very dangerous. Bhairavi needs to guide them as clearly as she can. These riddles she speaks of sometimes confuses them as well as us viewers!The Nagas work together to achieve what they want, however the Garudas need to pull themselves together if they want to protect the people and the Amrit.
Edited by XXaquafireXX - 10 years ago

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