Let's Talk About Why We Dislike Salim-DT NT Pg6

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 10 years ago

Hi Friends

I notice that the character of Salim is irritating to most people. I am not talking about his affair with Anar in this post or about Anar in any way. So let's leave Sanar out of the discussion.

I am only interested in knowing why many people find Salim's character irritating.

He's a disagreeable character, given to bouts of self-pity and lashing out at his parents.
He is given the rudest, most insolent dialogs of any character.
He is weak and unable to take charge of himself, his situation or take on challenges.
He has no clear vision in mind as to whether he wants to be the next king and if yes, then why.

In many recent posts, I have been repeating myself ad nauseum saying that JJ are responsible for Salim turning out the way he has. I am getting put off with myself now, hearing myself say the same thing over and again. 😆 And beginning to doubt my thinking.

After all, if Salim is successful in being loathed by so many viewers, then surely something is wrong with him somewhere that I may be missing.

This post is for all those who dislike reel Salim. Pls share your views (cordially - this is only a discussion, not a bashing thread 😊 ) as to why you do not want to see Salim in the show.

Pls make sure the reasons you state are Salim's own weaknesses and not something for which JJ are responsible.

Alternatively, since Salim cannot be done away with from the show, what changes would you like to see in his characterisation that would make him tolerable to you and may be even likable? 😊

Update by Abhay on Pg 1: Link

Edited by RadhikaS0 - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

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jalalak

@jalalak

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Posted: 10 years ago

Characterisation as well as actor both looking dull he should b shown as per real history n of course JA has changed so manyactors like bhagwan das recently todarmal rahim than why not this dull n weak actor as salim strong n teenage boy needed to play salim

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Mushat

@mushat

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Posted: 10 years ago

I like the only thing about him...He is Akdha's Son...basss

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Sandhya.A

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Posted: 10 years ago

Nice post Radhika

There are two factors that lead to the viewers like/dislike a reel character.

One is the actor who plays the role and the other the charecterisation.

The reel Maham Anga was hated of course but nobody disliked watching Ashwini on the screen.

But the actor playing Salim is very ordinary. He is an average looker hardly like the son of the dashing Rajat and gorgeous Paridhi. Discussing actors is probably not allowed but this actor's acting is too medicore and he has a pathetic smile. As such nothing impressive.

Coming to the character he is so blinkered and effervescent that he alows himself to be influenced by all esp Ruqaiya . There is no strength and firmness. He never sees the other person's pov. He is so swayed by his emotions that he never pauses to think that another angle might be present. All smarts and no feelings is not good. But all feelings and no thinking is worse.

Salim and everyone else unhappy with Jalal's decision can criticise him but did any one have a better idea that would not hurt anyone's dil? No. What did Salim expect? That Jalal sticks to his decision and shah shahs him and leaves the praja to forgo haj? Either his mother has to be forced to convert or the praja go to hell or inspite of being currently weak they force a war on Shah-i-Iran and lose the lives and livelihoods of multitudes, but his becoming Shah Shah was now suddenly a must as he wanted to make his sweetheart MEH?

He reserves the right to refuse Waliahad Taj as and when it pleases him and wants to be made Shah Shah if it pleases him again. HE can switch his intentions if it pleases him, but the Shahenshah cannot. Wasn't the Shahenshah insulted when he refused the Waliahad Taj? His dad's feelings don't matter at all, but his and his alone does. This all about I, me, myself, my feelings, my Anar, my wish, me, my, I is what makes Salim (reel) deplorable.

He is just as Jo was in the grina days. Blinkered and fussy on self feelings alone without even a tiny consideration to the other person's thinking and feelings. Being upset or angry is natural. But Salim makes no attempt to understand Jalal's pov even when Jalal comes personally to explain.

Salim is pathetic. (Ofcourse the reel one. The real Salim inspite of his differences with his father, had his own pluses. His interest in sciences and his sense of justice though emotional again, is impressive in some angles. Also it is very tough to be the son of a very very famous father. Comparisons are inevitable. But he didn't come a cropper. He carved a niche for himself in Mughal History)

Edited by Sandhya.A - 10 years ago

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Abhay

@history_geek

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Posted: 10 years ago

----UNRES----

Radhika,

Finally, posting my views now...
I only want to tell the following thing in short about REEL Salim's character not looks..

Utter Disregard for his father. No matter what, a son should NOT go to the extent of shouting in front of his father. Or, calling his marriage with his mother "Najayez". Not only this, he said the same to his mother today. He refers her mother by her names and titles but calls Ruqs who fed him Afeem as his Ammi Jaan. Brain is something which has NOT been planted while writing the character. Right from childhood, his character is written horribly. Remember, he spoke a lie and got Salima Begum in trouble for the afeeming case. A person who knows i am NO GOOD EITHER and is a lier too, keeps raising his fingers on others. His problem is that, he lives for HIMself , thinks for HIMself , professes right and wrong as per his convenience. First he wanted to get the Wali-Ahad title for his aawam's khidmat, and now he wants it for Anarkali. Has he gone bonkers when he repeatedly said i want the Shah Shah Khitaab for making Anar the next MEH.! Doesn't he know what non-sense he is speaking about.

My lament is more when i compare him with the REAL one. Though, he rebelled, BUT NEVER he opened his mouth in front of his father. Infact, he had no choice , he could not open his mouth. He respected his mother and put her next to God. Here he is opposite, he disrespects his father and his conduct towards his mother is just opposite of what it was..

This Salim of JA is no where close to that..

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Tarunika Bansal

@Tarunika13

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Posted: 10 years ago

Nice post Radhika and well timed as well!!

I am disappointed with both reel and real Salim. Reel Salim's characterisation is obviously fault of the CVs. Why is he being shown so hostile to his parents? Why is he never shown addressing Jalal as Abujaan and Jodha as Maasa or Ammijaan????

Now coming to real Salim, the actor needs to work a lot on his expressions and dialogue delivery. Whenever there is a scene between him and Rajat, it is Rajat who not only steals the show but also the scene looks bearable only and only because of Rajat. Selection of Salim was injustice to Rajat as well, since an actor matching his calibre was required to for Salim's role.

In case of Mahamanga, her reel character was hate worthy but it was a treat to watch Rajat & Ashwini's scenes together. Their equation onscreen was explosive and it was a pleasure to see 2 actors of such great calibre exchanging dhamakedaar dialogues. Ashwini is way senior to Rajat, but Rajat is such a splendid actor that her seniority never came in the way. Same is the case with Adham Khan, Bairaam Khan and for that matter even Shariffuddin.

We needed someone like one of them (calibre wise) to play Salim so that confrontation between Jalal and Salim should have left us in awe. But now its as if only Rajat is carrying the burden on his young shoulders.

Script needs to be better for reel Salim and real Salim should work harder or replaced.

Edited by Tarunika13 - 10 years ago

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harshal

@harshu27

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Posted: 10 years ago

I feel d hatred behind salim's character is d actor performing d role and obviously his characterization... 1st of all d actor is not at all suitable fr d role of salim he doesn't hav dat personality and charm... he luks below average and acting is totly pathetic no xpressions at all I mean totl xpressionless and 2ndly d charcterisation is horrible...he is v much confused abt his own life totly messed up and his rash behavior 2wrds his parents evn if a persn hs diff of opinion wid his parents bt I dnt thnk he wil jst strt insulting dm in frnt of evry1...here salim doesn't evn bother 2 thnk fr a sec dat y his parents spcly jalal did dis der mst b certain reasn... nothing evn wen jodha hd cum 2 tlk 2 him regarding crowning of murad and tried 2 pacify him sayin jalal mst hav dne fr a reasn bt dis boy ws nt at all ready 2 ponder upon it... I mean in short wat I wnt 2 say is he absolutely hs zero reasoning power he jst thnks dat evrybdy are agnst him spcly his parnts dey dnt luv and care for him and he is d one d sole sufferer.. actuly I really wnt 2 knw d actual meaning of luv in terms of salim's pov cz I dnt knw wat is d definition of luv fr him...nywyz I want salim's charctr 2 b redeemed if dey cnt chnge dis mediocre luking and acting actor atlest dey shold redeem his charctr like showing him respecting his parents having reasoning power 2 thnk frm other's pov and obviously sensible descent and normal dilogs whch is d big reasn fr d hatred of salim...

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mishtidoi

@mishtidoi

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Posted: 10 years ago

Hi, I think, am first time commenting in your thread😊

Salim's character has been etched pathetically...he was never shown confident and secured, not only now but also, when he doted on his Maa sa and Abba Huzur...I could never understand how child of self-assured mother and super confident father came out looking as scared and clumsy...that time no opium was introduced...he was nine years old then...nine years, when foundations of values and morals had been laid.

And his turnaround to Rukku's ghulam was even worst, only for the heck of it😡

A son for whom his Maa sa's pasand-napasand was his own, one who was scared of his Abba Huzur, but always wanted to emulate him...suddenly in 3/2 days and 3/4 nights (sounds like a travel package😉😆) starts hating his parents with all his might and life, is beyond me

He was shown always as a cry baby and self pitying...how can he trust his parents, if he doesn't have trust in himself.😕

Now coming to this Shah-e-Shah sequence...issue never was of Shehanshaah's might, as Salim tried to say with all his obvious hatred for his parents and force in DEK...that, You are the SEH, it is you, who should decide your matters...the issue was THE CONSEQUENCE of such a decision, which was asked of Salim and he didn't grasp it, at all...no surprises here though😕

Now also, he isn't seeing the whole picture...i am not made SES, I am being insulted...I...I...I

He is thinking the issue is about him, infact he's just one part of the matter...it seems he has no issues, if his awaam is denied the right to haj...no problem, if his mother is forced to convert..."apna kaam banta, bhaad mein jaye janta"

Then sone pe suhaaga is his alaap...Hum jab S'shaah banegein, hum Anarkali ko MEH banayegein...like seriously😡😡😡

On top of this sorry character sketch...we have this actor...you do understand, which I didn't write😆

As a viewer, I couldn't connect with Salim's frustration, insecurities, hurt heart, etc...the actor is simply not able to make that connect with his viewers.

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jalalak

@jalalak

Explorer

Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: Tarunika13
Nice post Radhika and well timed as well!!
I am disappointed with both reel and real Salim. Reel Salim's characterisation is obviously fault of the CVs. Why is he being shown so hostile to his parents? Why is he never shown addressing Jalal as Abujaan and Jodha as Maasa or Ammijaan????
Now coming to real Salim, the actor needs to work a lot on his expressions and dialogue delivery. Whenever there is a scene between him and Rajat, it is Rajat who not only steals the show but also the scene looks bearable only and only because of Rajat. Selection of Salim was injustice to Rajat as well, since an actor matching his calibre was required to for Salim's role.
In case of Mahamanga, her reel character was hate worthy but it was a treat to watch Rajat & Ashwini's scenes together. Their equation onscreen was explosive and it was a pleasure to see 2 actors of such great calibre exchanging dhamakedaar dialogues. Ashwini is way senior to Rajat, but Rajat is such a splendid actor that her seniority never came in the way. Same is the case with Adham Khan, Bairaam Khan and for that matter even Shariffuddin.
We needed someone like one of them (calibre wise) to play Salim so that confrontation between Jalal and Salim should have left us in awe. But now its as if only Rajat is carrying the burden on his young shoulders.

Script needs to be better for reel Salim and real Salim should work harder or replaced.

true need better actor replace this average actor like they recently replace two good actors, replacement is better option