Birbal & JA Twins Entry, Ruq Downfall Sep 27 Updt Pg 60; DTNTPg15 - Page 23

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ILTHBEB



@abhay: thank u so much. I m really touched to know u like to read my topsy turvey writing style.^_^ kasam sai,i have no style in writing,don't know frm where did u get it! Lol... I write only when ever something wants to come out frm my heart.

Now come to the point...
When the whole entity of a person is taking bid adieu frm the universal at that time is anything rest in the world for this person? Hence i have taken maham's issue such- maham is lying on the death bed at this time the divulging of her another old folding sin then jalal's wrath on her again, these all r really coherent for a death bed lady! I m not showing any sympathy on maham infact nobody should sympathize on maham for a sinner like maham but here i m basically trying to say that any kind of substance of this world is quite unvaluable before a death bed lady.
Moreover, largely to see the segment of the emotional scene b/w jalal n maham at the time of maham's bidai, i felt both had freed frm their burden,frm emotional trauma. Maham asked pardon for her sins to jalal,accepted jodha,bowed down before jodha simultaneously Jalal also seeked pardon frm maham infact it was seemed maham did withdrawal her baad dua n prayed for both jj. It was sounded all bitterness b/w jalal n maham had been clarified. A happy ending of a relation. The closing of maham chapter 4ever.

Now if after few days of maham's death jalal again gets to know abt maham's new commit then i think it wl make the situation more criticle n Jalal have to live whole life to hate maham that genuinely jalal never wants.

Abhay, has maham any remose that for her ruq is remaining barren in her whole life! Or not maham is thinking she has done this with a vicious lady almost like her. Besides, maham's involvement in BK'S death, a Subadar was killed by adham brutally these news r also yet in fold near Jalal n the question is after the end of maham chapter wl these folding news b exposed?
Today Gulbadan's dialogues were OTT to me. I don't know why these gulbadan,hb r feeling always gratefulness towards to maham after her treachery! Perhaps, before the issue of little jalal was survived by maham, nothing is seen by them!



Nabiii,
I was talking about your unique style of writing, with which you started this post..It is really different.. You're Welcome..😊

BTW, This is true that, Akbar and Harem ladies mourned a lot, on the death of MA..Akbar had even arranged for a doctor to cure MA.. He will come to know of her activities later..I mentioned this to Tamy and Preet LONG back..In reality, Akbar knew of all these things..Hence, i was expecting them to show about MA...Though, You also have a point here..

Coming to GB's Dialogue, yes i agree, it was totally OTT...And they were trying to lay stress on MA's goodness, which appeared as good as a "ramshackle cottage".. It was of no effect on me at least.😕

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Posted: 11 years ago
Death of a Relationship



There are various facets to the present Ruq vs. JJ child custody track that have been explored in depth by all of you. 👏 What I found most distressing were two factors:

1. Jodha's inner turmoil at giving up her first child (meaning a child from her first pregnancy) - A first child is always special; so what, if it's one of a pair of twins. How the CVs can show her to be so tranquil about the whole affair is beyond me. A slight biting of the lips is hardly any indication of the vicious churning inside a to-be mother forced to part with her child. Even paid surrogate mothers sometimes refuse to give up the baby that they had carried for someone else knowingly from the beginning.

Some members have suggested self-talks. But this is not something that can be thought about calmly in a self-talk. This situation requires the kind of emotional breakdown (at least in private) that we see Jalal exhibit at the drop of a hat.

Jalal shows a level of understanding of the apparent pain that Jodha might be feeling. But that's not enough. Whether he takes any action or not, he needs to extend greater support to a woman who is ready to share kids the way other people would not share even useless trinkets. I don't want to see Jodha having to talk to herself and comfort herself all the time.

Why, if Jodha can help Jalal overcome trauma, why can't we see Jalal help Jodha overcome this most traumatic experience in the life of a woman?

Hamida is "upset" with Ruq but I do not see that reaction as being enough. She had it in her power to do much more to stop that farman from being written.

Salima, the wise counsel, was also befooled by Ruq's act and was hardly sympathetic to Jodha's emotions. Perhaps not being a mother herself, she doesn't understand what it means to have to part with a child that has been a part of you for months and has been nurtured by you. I would still like to ask her if she would give Rahim to Ruq so that the latter can cherish motherhood.

(Abhay, I can empathise with Jodh Bai who must have gone through hell when Khurram was taken from her as a new born. And her husband couldn't have been sympathetic/supportive to her, engrossed as he was in his other "preoccupations").

All in all, the royal womenfolk always leave me embittered and disappointed. They were not supportive to a much-abused BB and they are not supportive to a mother whose child is being taken away through political manipulation.

Now that the farman has been signed and cannot be undone, why can't Jodha open up to Jalal or Jalal seek to console Jodha?

Why must Man Singh be always reduced to being a dumb spectator? (Except during the Atifa track, which was a rare exception.) I feel it would be only natural if Man Singh meets and discusses events with Jodha.

Above all, I want Jodha to pluck up nerve and stop being so goody-goody, self-sacrificing. With Maham, SD, or Ruq.



2. End of the Jalal-Ruq friendship -

Has (desire for) power made Ruq so blind that she cannot see her relationship with her husband and best friend crumbling to pieces in front of her? Does Ruq feel that she has already lost Jalal to Jodha, so she might as well salvage what she can of her status and power?

I gather Jalal must be equally distressed at having to give up all rights over his child and to be forced to hand over a child completely to Ruq, knowing how much Jodha would suffer. More than this, he must be shocked that this betrayal came from his best friend, whom he had given so many chances earlier.

I thought I knew the world.
I thought I knew myself.
I thought I knew my dearest friend.
But I knew nothing at all.

-- Estrella De Madrigal, Spain, 1500

Perhaps Jalal feels the same now. For he still has no clue about Ruq's plans though he does suspect that her intentions are less than motherly in adopting his child. The saddest thing for Jalal is that he has been betrayed more by friends and loved ones than enemies.

It's hard to say if Ruq will be found and punished at least this time. She may apologize in private and get away using her charm or her wish. But even if Jalal forgives her, I hope he never goes back to trusting her again. He has Jodha; he doesn't really need Ruq.

Love comes to those who still hope even though they have been disappointed, to those who still believe even though they have been betrayed, to those who still love even though they have been hurt before.

Love and trust has come and will always stay with Jalal in the form of Jodha. My only hope is that love and trust will stay with Jodha in the form of Jalal, in spite of Ruq and her machinations.
Edited by RadhikaS0 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
^^^^^

@Radhika,,,

Nice update..Though late..😉
Agree with your points...I will add my views soon..as i get time.. 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

^^^^^

@Radhika,,,

Nice update..Though late..😉
Agree with your points...I will add my views soon..as i get time.. 😊



Radhika, Kahan the aap..I was thinking about u for the past 3 days. No posts..

Beautifully written Radhika...
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Posted: 11 years ago
"The worst pain in the world goes beyond the physical. Even further beyond any other emotional pain one can feel. It is the betrayal of a friend."

I just hope Jalal to be fine, somehow after facing this situation,he would be heartbroken by this betrayal of Ruqaiyya.

"What was there to be gained by fighting the most evil wizard who has ever existed?" said Black, with a terrible fury in his face. "Only innocent lives, Peter!"
"You don't understand!" whined Pettigrew. "He would have killed me, Sirius!"
"THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!" roared Black. "DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!"
---J.K Rowling, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban


To lose a friend will be the greatest pain you will ever feel.

It is so unfair on her part to do this to Jalal.How could one think of betraying a person who trusts you and shares his every secret with her???

She is going to lose that precious amanat i.e Jalal's friendship

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lasyap3

"The worst pain in the world goes beyond the physical. Even further beyond any other emotional pain one can feel. It is the betrayal of a friend."


I just hope Jalal to be fine, somehow after facing this situation,he would be heartbroken by this betrayal of Ruqaiyya.

"What was there to be gained by fighting the most evil wizard who has ever existed?" said Black, with a terrible fury in his face. "Only innocent lives, Peter!"
"You don't understand!" whined Pettigrew. "He would have killed me, Sirius!"
"THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!" roared Black. "DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!"
---J.K Rowling, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban


To lose a friend will be the greatest pain you will ever feel.

It is so unfair on her part to do this to Jalal.How could one think of betraying a person who trusts you and shares his every secret with her???

She is going to lose that precious amanat i.e Jalal's friendship



@bold: totally agree with u. I was thinking of all the betrayals Jalal had to go through.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



@bold: totally agree with u. I was thinking of all the betrayals Jalal had to go through.


Exactly!
You see, he had undergone many backstabs from his kith and kin. Poor chap😭

"The reality is that you will grieve forever. You will not get over' the loss or betrayal of a loved one; you will learn to live with it. You will heal and you will rebuild yourself around the loss you have suffered. You will be whole again but you will never be the same. Nor should you be the same nor would you want to.
---Elisabeth Kubler-Ross

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

^^^^^

@Radhika,,,

Nice update..Though late..😉
Agree with your points...I will add my views soon..as i get time.. 😊


@bold: Then just ignore the post.😛 I haven't got a farman issued that you have to read / respond to my post. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lasyap3


Exactly!
You see, he had undergone many backstabs from his kith and kin. Poor chap😭

"The reality is that you will grieve forever. You will not get over' the loss or betrayal of a loved one; you will learn to live with it. You will heal and you will rebuild yourself around the loss you have suffered. You will be whole again but you will never be the same. Nor should you be the same nor would you want to.
---Elisabeth Kubler-Ross


Lasya,

Beautiful as always ... 👏

so which was your 1011 post? sorry, chelli, was busy and couldn't respond to your pm. but do send me the link to that special post. would love to read it. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



Radhika, Kahan the aap..I was thinking about u for the past 3 days. No posts..

Beautifully written Radhika...


Thanks, Sindhu!

was busy ... catching up slowly ... 😊

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