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Posted: 11 years ago
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This show makes me want to vomit. Surprise birthday party, really? This guy is still a jerk, insensitive, selfish, without an iota of regret for what he has done, no gratitude for the lack of rest his mother (whatever her other faults and however much it serves her right) is going through to take care of him, and people think he is a romantic hero material? Seriously, what is wrong with us?
Only way to tell Zee that we won't take crap like this is to make the TRPs fall. Come on girls, make it happen, boycott this bloody show.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great Post. I've always been against any so called romance between Urmi and Samrat - just as a leopard can't change his spots, neither can a bully.

We have to realize that most wife-beaters and those who denigrate women are themselves very hollow men - insecure and afraid of themselves. They feel more in control of their life and world by controlling the women around them - most often through emotional, mental and physical abuse. The way to put a stop to this abuse is for the victim to "stop being a victim".

This is not Victim-Blaming, I'm not saying that the victim is solely responsible for the abuse meted out to her. However, she's complicit in it's continuation. At what stage should a woman put her foot down is really important.

It should have been when he landed the first slap - had she gone to the cops then, would Samrat have had the guts to hit her again? Most probably the cops would not have registered her complaint but the step itself would've been a warning to Samrat that if he crosses a limit there's retribution waiting for him.

What encourages an abuser is the knowledge that he can get away with abuse. Most often Abusers are more scared of being outed and exposed publicly for what they are - and that is the place to hit back for victims.

When people blame victims it is for applying makeup to hide bruises of domestic violence, for lying to police-officers that they walked into a door after having been kicked and beaten. Yes women are conditioned to keep silent - but unless that silence is broken the abuse will continue un-abated.

At the end of the day the choice lies with the Victim - be it Malala or Suzette Jordan (Park Street Rape Victim) or Kiranjit Ahluwalia (Provoked) - they can choose to be known as "Victims" of the injustice meted out to them or they can choose to emerge stronger and make something of their lives. Kiran is no longer the "Battered Wife" - she is a woman who fights for other battered women. Malala is not the "Girl who was shot" - she is the girl who champions education for women and Suzette Jordan is not "Park Street Rape Victim" - she chose to be her own person and fight the battle in her own name and person.

What I'm trying to say is that at the end of the day the choice lies with the victims. When people say that "Put it behind you" - they don't mean to say "forget it, it was nothing"; they mean to say " you have it in you to be bigger than the trauma you suffered". At the end of the the choice is with each woman how she shapes her life.

So there are two things I agree with you:
1. An abuser can never change
2. Only the Abuser is responsible for his own actions, not the victim.

Two things I disagree with you:
1. Unless a victim speaks up, there can be no help. Whatever be the conditioning, the victims have to speak up and they are the ones who have to face their abusers.
2. The victims have to "Get over it" - not because what happened was trivial - but to show their abusers that despite everything that happened to them the victim has it in her to be something in her own right. And that is the sweetest revenge of all - to let the abuser know that despite his best (worst) efforts he was not able to keep a good woman down.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ nobodyatnotime I love your siggy.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Purva-

Great Post. I've always been against any so called romance between Urmi and Samrat - just as a leopard can't change his spots, neither can a bully.

We have to realize that most wife-beaters and those who denigrate women are themselves very hollow men - insecure and afraid of themselves. They feel more in control of their life and world by controlling the women around them - most often through emotional, mental and physical abuse. The way to put a stop to this abuse is for the victim to "stop being a victim".

This is not Victim-Blaming, I'm not saying that the victim is solely responsible for the abuse meted out to her. However, she's complicit in it's continuation. At what stage should a woman put her foot down is really important.

It should have been when he landed the first slap - had she gone to the cops then, would Samrat have had the guts to hit her again? Most probably the cops would not have registered her complaint but the step itself would've been a warning to Samrat that if he crosses a limit there's retribution waiting for him.

What encourages an abuser is the knowledge that he can get away with abuse. Most often Abusers are more scared of being outed and exposed publicly for what they are - and that is the place to hit back for victims.

When people blame victims it is for applying makeup to hide bruises of domestic violence, for lying to police-officers that they walked into a door after having been kicked and beaten. Yes women are conditioned to keep silent - but unless that silence is broken the abuse will continue un-abated.

At the end of the day the choice lies with the Victim - be it Malala or Suzette Jordan (Park Street Rape Victim) or Kiranjit Ahluwalia (Provoked) - they can choose to be known as "Victims" of the injustice meted out to them or they can choose to emerge stronger and make something of their lives. Kiran is no longer the "Battered Wife" - she is a woman who fights for other battered women. Malala is not the "Girl who was shot" - she is the girl who champions education for women and Suzette Jordan is not "Park Street Rape Victim" - she chose to be her own person and fight the battle in her own name and person.

What I'm trying to say is that at the end of the day the choice lies with the victims. When people say that "Put it behind you" - they don't mean to say "forget it, it was nothing"; they mean to say " you have it in you to be bigger than the trauma you suffered". At the end of the the choice is with each woman how she shapes her life.

So there are two things I agree with you:
1. An abuser can never change
2. Only the Abuser is responsible for his own actions, not the victim.

Two things I disagree with you:
1. Unless a victim speaks up, there can be no help. Whatever be the conditioning, the victims have to speak up and they are the ones who have to face their abusers.
2. The victims have to "Get over it" - not because what happened was trivial - but to show their abusers that despite everything that happened to them the victim has it in her to be something in her own right. And that is the sweetest revenge of all - to let the abuser know that despite his best (worst) efforts he was not able to keep a good woman down.



Hello Purva!

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it, and I see you are also a feminist. However, I think we differ on ideologies of participatory action, and liberatory politics. I pre phase this by saying I am a victim of abuse, and I don't think those who have never been abused, or have should tell others what to do with their abuse. PLEASE UNDERSTAND this is a very privileged position, and lose your privilege when speaking to victims of abuse. BECAUSE NO, often times people cannot help depression, feelings of suicide and worthlessness, and they are allowed a time to feel this way- not because they still have to force to live the way in which others want for them. It is not about proving anything to him, whether you moved on or not.

I agree women have to speak about, but first and FOREMOST it is about education- educating men and reminding them of their privilege in these patriarchy systems of society. And teaching men that NO means NO, and women ARE NEVER THE REASON TO BLAME.

You seem to place a lot of trust in the police, many women, even here in Canada go to the police and guess what, the police also victim blame. If only we would speak out? Well many have friends who have done that before us and have been laughed or ridiculed by the police. I have a friend who went to the police and then the justice system where she had to relive trauma when the defence lawyer tried to argue SHE PROVOKED HIM. What provoked beating? Really.

I appreciate your insight, and I am sure as a sister in the feminist movement we will diverge on some points, but will always have great discussion. I ask you to consider axis of oppression when discussing these issues. Let's not make sweeping statements, as much as we would love every women to speak out, we have to consider that the justice system is also a production of patriarchy. It is better to sympathize with different perspectives. Some awesome initiatives in the form of alternative justice in rural India is some great research to look up :).

Lots of love. <3
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ALSO let's try not to make men the reference point of our discussion- proving something to HIM, making HIM realize you are strong and have moved on. Internal first!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Finally someone is making sense. Very good post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nobodyatnotime

This show makes me want to vomit. Surprise birthday party, really? This guy is still a jerk, insensitive, selfish, without an iota of regret for what he has done, no gratitude for the lack of rest his mother (whatever her other faults and however much it serves her right) is going through to take care of him, and people think he is a romantic hero material? Seriously, what is wrong with us?

Only way to tell Zee that we won't take crap like this is to make the TRPs fall. Come on girls, make it happen, boycott this bloody show.



Exactly! PUKE is what this show makes me do too so yes, I have stopped watching this, especially because I don't want the TV to be on with this show and my little kids getting exposed to this BS.

I'm actually very worried to see some of the shows on TV. I only have Zee and Star Plus and even in those two, there are MULTIPLE shows when the said "hero" constantly abuses the said "heroine". I cringed when I accidentally caught an episode of "Iss pyaar ko kya naam doon -2" where Shlok man-handles his wife and threatens him for hurting "his baba". The wife kept saying - "Shlok, let me go, it's hurting" and the husband replies menacingly - "So what?!!" Needless to say, I try to ensure such accidents don't happen between me and the BS show again.

I also cringed when I switched on the TV and saw the guy in Qubool hai abusing the lead actress. I turned off the TV quickly because my little son started watching!

What has happened to our society? And what has happened to Television and social media in general? Since when did love and romance become synonymous with abuse and bullying? What happened to the good old concepts of caring for each other, sticking thru thicks and thins of life, remaining loyal.. what happened to the era of chocolates and flowers and cute little love letters?

What happened to us???


Edited by neel_jay - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neel_jay



Exactly! PUKE is what this show makes me do too so yes, I have stopped watching this, especially because I don't want the TV to be on with this show and my little kids getting exposed to this BS.

I'm actually very worried to see some of the shows on TV. I only have Zee and Star Plus and even in those two, there are MULTIPLE shows when the said "hero" constantly abuses the said "heroine". I cringed when I accidentally caught an episode of "Iss pyaar ko kya naam doon -2" where Shlok man-handles his wife and threatens him for hurting "his baba". The wife kept saying - "Shlok, let me go, it's hurting" and the husband replies menacingly - "So what?!!" Needless to say, I try to ensure such accidents don't happen between me and the BS show again.

I also cringed when I switched on the TV and saw the guy in Qubool hai abusing the lead actress. I turned off the TV quickly because my little son started watching!

What has happened to our society? And what has happened to Television and social media in general? Since when did love and romance become synonymous with abuse and bullying? What happened to the good old concepts of caring for each other, sticking thru thicks and thins of life, remaining loyal.. what happened to the era of chocolates and flowers and cute little love letters?

What happened to us???


Agree with you this kind of shows are disgusting
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neel_jay



Exactly! PUKE is what this show makes me do too so yes, I have stopped watching this, especially because I don't want the TV to be on with this show and my little kids getting exposed to this BS.

I'm actually very worried to see some of the shows on TV. I only have Zee and Star Plus and even in those two, there are MULTIPLE shows when the said "hero" constantly abuses the said "heroine". I cringed when I accidentally caught an episode of "Iss pyaar ko kya naam doon -2" where Shlok man-handles his wife and threatens him for hurting "his baba". The wife kept saying - "Shlok, let me go, it's hurting" and the husband replies menacingly - "So what?!!" Needless to say, I try to ensure such accidents don't happen between me and the BS show again.

I also cringed when I switched on the TV and saw the guy in Qubool hai abusing the lead actress. I turned off the TV quickly because my little son started watching!

What has happened to our society? And what has happened to Television and social media in general? Since when did love and romance become synonymous with abuse and bullying? What happened to the good old concepts of caring for each other, sticking thru thicks and thins of life, remaining loyal.. what happened to the era of chocolates and flowers and cute little love letters?

What happened to us???



I suppose you haven't caught up with Madhubala, or ever been around that forum when a few of us ventured to suggest that the husband chaining the wife who does not want to be with him to the bed is wrong. We were slaughtered, metaphorically.
Even Mills and Boons heroes are more civlized these days while we seem to be regressing to the cavemen era.

I find it difficult to watch Indian shows these days, except may be on Channel V. Otherwise I've switched to English- Sherlock, reruns of FRIENDS, Ally McBeal, Witches of East End, Tudors- I've enough choices that are entertaining without being psychologically damaging.
Edited by nobodyatnotime - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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it looks romantic to see an abuser changing and loving his wife in real life it is not possible to change an abuser

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