'I will not wed a Suta ...' - Page 9

Originally posted by: varaali

The point which I wanted to highlight was that Drauapdi rejecting Karna on the basis of his caste is to be found only in one version. And hence, this point should be borne in mind while having heated debates on Karna or Draupadi.

Originally posted by: varaali

Isn't the conversation veering away from the original topic?

The original point of discussion was the different versions of a single incident and how they have been mentioned in (equally authentic) sources other than KMG. Academic discussions are welcome- but emotional arguments only lead to trouble.

The reason I am butting in is- going by the last few posts, the discussion may soon go out of control and we risk inviting the wrath of the moderators who seem to be prowling through the forum with a lock in their hands. 😆

IMO, any discussion which goes into the morality of Draupadi-calling-Karna-Suta is futile because we can never arrive at a satisfactory conclusion. We can never know how the caste system really operated in the Dwapara Yuga. And we can never keep our personal opinions at bay while discussing such contentious issues.

The point which I wanted to highlight was that Drauapdi rejecting Karna on the basis of his caste is to be found only in one version. And hence, this point should be borne in mind while having heated debates on Karna or Draupadi.

If we are going to have (for the umpteenth time) a full scale debate on whether Draupadi was right or wrong, -then- the very purpose of this thread is defeated.

Originally posted by: varaali

Isn't the conversation veering away from the original topic?

The original point of discussion was the different versions of a single incident and how they have been mentioned in (equally authentic) sources other than KMG. Academic discussions are welcome- but emotional arguments only lead to trouble.

The reason I am butting in is- going by the last few posts, the discussion may soon go out of control and we risk inviting the wrath of the moderators who seem to be prowling through the forum with a lock in their hands. 😆

IMO, any discussion which goes into the morality of Draupadi-calling-Karna-Suta is futile because we can never arrive at a satisfactory conclusion. We can never know how the caste system really operated in the Dwapara Yuga. And we can never keep our personal opinions at bay while discussing such contentious issues.

The point which I wanted to highlight was that Drauapdi rejecting Karna on the basis of his caste is to be found only in one version. And hence, this point should be borne in mind while having heated debates on Karna or Draupadi.

If we are going to have (for the umpteenth time) a full scale debate on whether Draupadi was right or wrong, -then- the very purpose of this thread is defeated.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold agreed

but if one considers versions other than KMG while discussing character's and incidents in this forum it should be for all characters not only few selective one's

for example its possible that draupadi never rejected karna since other versions don't mention it especially critical edition then one should also be willing to entertain the possibility that it wasn't krishna ji who saved Draupadi during VH since critical edition doesnt mention that either and for soem other incidets as well

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold agreed

but if one considers versions other than KMG while discussing character's and incidents in this forum it should be for all characters not only few selective one's

Originally posted by: Neutral2

King Yadu is the son of kshatriya king Yayati and brahman Devyani. Acc to cast tradition he is suta. Krishna (Yadav) is the lineage of Yadu. Many Kshatriya princess married Lord Krishna.

Hey! Just pointing out that Yadu was at least 9 generations before Krishna if not more -- that is like a difference of over 300 years even by Kalyuga Standard, when average life expectancy is 50 years while in Dwapar it was 100. In those days people were having children even after crossing the age of 60 -- By Dwapar yuga standard, it would be over a period of 500-600.

Compared to today 500 years before - There has been a vast change in not just the caste system but almost everything. I mean Portuguese had invaded india and derived the term caste' for the jati/varn. Post Muggle rule, Religious environment of India was termed Casteless'.

Yadu was actually never considered a Suta, nor his descendents. Caste system was highly flexible, enough that Yeyeti would have made his eldest son, Yadu the King - had he not been hit by the urge to exchange his age with one of his sons. After that he was ready to make any of his son the King, either it be the two elder sons from his wives, One daughter of Danav Brahman and other daughter of a Danav King.

Devayani was a Brahmana while Yayati was a Kshatriya. The son of a Kshatriya upon a Brahmana woman was considered as a Suta whose occupation was to ride chariots of kings and to become assistants of kings. Though during the time of Yayati, caste was very flexible and not well defined, during the later stages it started becoming rigid. The race of the Yadus was not given the same status as of the race of the Purus (Yayati's younger son) even in the days of Yayati. Instead of calling Yadus to be Sutas, it was proclaimed that the Yadu-clan is cursed. The reason for the curse was explained away as a fable. (Yayati cursed his son Yadu when Yayati asked Yadu to take his old-age and Yadu refused). Puru was the son of Kshatriya Yayati and his Kshatriya wife Sarmistha (the daughter of king Vrishaparva of Asura race). Puru and his race was not cursed since Puru's birth follows the dictates of the caste-system. (But the fable won't say this but give a different explanation: Puru agreed to what Yadu refused and so he was awarded the throne and his race was blessed). The Bharatas and the Kurus descended from the race of Puru and had the same contempt for the Yadus or the Yadavas.