'I will not wed a Suta ...' - Page 8

Originally posted by: Neutral2

What will happen if Draupadi say "I will not wed any Kaurav and Karn because they kill their own cousin brother Pandavs deceitfully"

Everybody in the Hastinapur city know that Kaurav had done this (Varnavrat house burning)

Originally posted by: amritat

Did everyone know that it was the Kauravas who planned to burn them down?

You see, it was at Draupadi's Marriage that the Pandavas being alive was discovered.

That planning was supposed to be secret. I don't think EVERYONE knew that it was planned by the Kauravas, Karna , Shakuni and Dhritarashtra.

Do u think a 14 year old girl, who's getting married would be interested in such things?

If I'm not wrong, when she arrived on the 16th day, she sat at her place, and was told the names and Kul of the various suitors present there. I don't think, she was told about this plotting of Varnavrat.

I think young princesses of those times were more interested in handsome princes, costumes and jewellery, han murder plots. 😆

So, Draupadi would never say that, bcoz she wouldn't even know about the deceit. 😆

Ha Ha Ha

In kmg it is written that people of Hastinapur guessed that Kaurav specially Duryodhan had done this to kill pandav.

If Draupadi didn't know about this then Drupad should have say this. They deserve insult.

And yes Drupad should not have invited Kaurav and Karn. In amba, ambika swayamver their father did not invite Vichitravir bec he was weak.

Drupad thought that nobody except arjun could do this.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Ha Ha Ha

In kmg it is written that people of Hastinapur guessed that Kaurav specially Duryodhan had done this to kill pandav.

If Draupadi didn't know about this then Drupad should have say this. They deserve insult.

And yes Drupad should not have invited Kaurav and Karn. In amba, ambika swayamver their father did not invite Vichitravir bec he was weak.

Drupad thought that nobody except arjun could do this.

Originally posted by: amritat

People of Hastinapur guessed that it was the Kauravas. But was Drupad a citizen of Hastinapur?

And even if he did come to know of it through spies, he was quite sure that no one other than Arjun would be able to hit the target. So, he didn't bother. Besides, some formalities were required. Drupad could not ignore the 105 princes of a powerful kingdom like Hastinapur. This is my understanding. Honestly, u can't blame Draupadi, just bcoz her father invited the Kauravas.

And when Draupadi arrives on the 16th day, as she sat down, Dhristadyumna, told Draupadi of the names, lineages and achievements of the various kings present.

If I'm not wrong, then she was not told about what murder plots, some of those kings were involved in.

If Drupad know that Pandav were alive he also know that why they were hiding.

And if Lord Krishna was with Drupad, he should not have fear of powerful kingdom.

I know it was not Draupadi fault.

What I felt is stopping Karn in the middle of swayamver is little bit insult.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

If Drupad know that Pandav were alive he also know that why they were hiding.

And if Lord Krishna was with Drupad, he should not have fear of powerful kingdom.

I know it was not Draupadi fault.

What I felt is stopping Karn in the middle of swayamver is little bit insult.

Originally posted by: amritat

Ofcourse, it was insult.

Karna was indeed hurt immensely.

As for Drupad, I can't say y he invited the Kauravas.

The king of Kashi didn't invite Hastinapur to the Swamvar of his daughters.

And see how well that turned out.

Bhishm came and kidnapped all his daughters.

And if I'm not wrong, then Lord Krishna is introduced in Mahabharat, in Draupadi's Swamvar.

So, it's not clear if Lord Krishna was "with" Drupad or not, like it has been shown in the serial.

Lord Krishna was invited, and he didn't participate, just like some others, who were present at her Swamvar, but did not participate. Now, whether Lord Krishna had extended his alliance to Drupad then or not is not clear. Or maybe, I have missed something, while reading.

okkk...

I just read the before swayamver part and you are right Lord Krishna was not mentioned.

Sorry for my mistake.

Then Drupad did right thing to invite kaurav as they were really powerful.

Also Drupad didn't tell to Draupadi about his wish to choose Arjun.

So it was spontaneous incident.

And if Draupadi marry to real Brahmin, her son would be treated as brahmin.

Thx for the info

Originally posted by: devashree_h

I had read an article on the web about KMG's translation being biased to Karna. I did not pay heed to the article because I could not verify the authenticity of the claim. I cannot find the link to the article, but it was written by some professional writer.

Originally posted by: amritat

Exactly.

I have been thinking about this for quite some time now.

Did anyone, apart from Karna, EVER question Draupadi for having 5 husbands?

I don't think so.

Even people like Ved Vyas convinced Drupad to let her marry 5 men.

Someone like Dharmraj declared that all 5 brothers will marry a princess.

She was allowed to be a Queen, and that required her to perform a lot of rituals.

How come she was allowed that?

If polyandry was really a taboo. then how come no one objected?

But, Karna has been insulted for being a Sutaputra many times, by many people.

Many people denied him the right to participate in many occasions, bcoz, he was a Sutaputra.

But no one ever question Draupadi for having 5 husbands.

I guess, there is only conclusion to this.

People of those times were more rigid about Caste System, than they were about Polyandry.

In those times, niyog, premarital pregnancy, polyandry were there. They were uncommon, but there.

As for Ma Sita's life, I guess , that was a completely different age.

Think about today.

Can we imagine something like niyog today? Or accept polygamy with open minds?

Can we imagine a mother asking her son to share his first wife with his brothers?

So, I guess, mentality, norms, mindsets change with the passage of time.

What is right now, was wrong then, and vice-versa.

Excepting extreme things like murder and molestation or rape, these systems like Polygamy, Caste System, Child Marriage become right or wrong, depending on the age, in which one lives.

Originally posted by: amritat

You are right. And that is exactly what I said too.

Her decision was not wrong, but her manner was.

But I don't think she invited Karna and the others.

I don't think women in those times got involved in such things. The men arranged all these things. It was probably Drupad and Dhrishtadyumna who gave out the invitations.

In fact, I think Draupadi was not even aware of who was invited and not invited, until the 16th day of her Swamvar, when she arrived at the Sabha.

I could be wrong, but I think it was only then, that she got to know who her suitors were, and from what backgrounds. I could be wrong about this part, and I need to check KMG again, to verify.

It was then, that she got to know of Karna being a suitor and a Sutaputra, and hence rejected him instantly, without thinking left or right. She was probably an adolescent of 14 or 15, who impulsively rejected Karna, for his caste.

Little did she know, that her one impulsive act would translate to such a horrible situation in the future.

And Draupadi had 2 options before her. To accept polyandry or jump into fire like Amba. She chose the former.

And not only Bhishma, but everyone accepted her polyandry openly.

Imagine, a Queen having 5 husbands, and having children with all of them.

If polyandry really had been a taboo, then she would have been ostracised or removed from the position of Queen long ago.

So, I think people of those times were okay with polyandry, atleast in special cases, but not with Caste System.

And yes, her "Sutaputra" comment is actually not there in many translations.