The Final Battle! A letter to the Shehenshah. - Page 6

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Minnie,

I don't want to go off topic. But if one sides with Jo, one is labeled a feminist in a not so nice way. 😕The entire meaning of being a feminist is twisted to mean one who is unreasonably demanding and a veritable harridan. The positivity associated with it, the image of one who is assertive, independent, self-thinking, self-sufficient is negated.

What I'm getting at is that it's not nice being called a feminist here, as I have also experienced.

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

I have been trying to understand good and bad nature and consequences of prejudices all my life, so I'll take this opportunity to make one comment. (Off track is fine, because JA is going through a rather ho hum phase.)

Human beings have limited intellectual, emotional, social, and material resources. There is nothing wrong if you invest your resources towards your family, gender, city, religion, clan, whatever. Or towards a specific and favorite cause outside your own identity, like orphans, widows, "nirdosh pashu pakshi", :) environment etc.

A line is crossed when one's loyalty to the chosen identity or cause becomes so intense that one forgets that only God is perfect, when one is unable to see or accept the truth when it disagrees from what one would have liked it to be. People like that become incapable of investigating an issue or searching for knowledge, because only those conclusions are permitted that agree with the prejudice. In the end, if they are not sidelined, they will harm the cause they wish to support.

I think that's the dividing line. Any label is just a word. You can be a good feminist (or any other kind of partisan) or a bad one, and the choice is up to you, and by that I mean each one of us.

Originally posted by: minnie2308

Dear Radhika,

Here is what Wiki says about Feminism and I stand by it 😛

"Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.^[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women."

Again, I have never defended inequality ! Let all human live peacefully and wholesomely😃.

Anyhow, Kaana's thread is so interesting, I am sure we can all go a little off-topic. She is too cool to mind as I could guess by her lovely response😊

Again, 😃 when I said being labeled a feminist, I meant, the folks who not agree with Jo's ideologies call those who agree with her ideology as feminists, off course in a degrading way. But then that does not make any difference to me. I stand by the above and never shy from my stand.

And who says I do not critisise JO can't be more wrong. I do that often and in not very nice words.

Here's what else Feminism is " since feminism seeks gender equality, it must necessarily include men's liberation because men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles."

^😆

I jumped to Wiki yesterday to get official definition of Feminism and realised it matched with what I thought it was.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Thanks Kaana!

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Thanks Minnie and Kaana for clarifying - my mistake at not checking - please excuse.

Kaana - NO this is one thing I will NEVER be convinced about. It remains a horrible thing - I do not know any person who would do that to even an unknown woman - she will never be left out like this. Jalal should have stayed with Jodha and I will never ever agree with anybody about this.

As for yielding to Jodha's wish - remember the scene before where even after goading and encouraging Jodha to stand for election Jalal goes to SB to ask her how to get out of this - he did not want to choose! So that means he did not want to take Jodha's side against Rukayya. Cos if he himself encouraged her means he thought Jodha capable so why the hesitation! That was because he did not want to hurt Rukayya.

Jodha just told him to vote for Rukayya and took him out of this dilemma, so also SB.
Jodha at first did not want to stand for haram post and she put the people she loves before the post. She chose to make Jalal and SB relieved - if she won even when they did not vote for her then ok by her. This is hardly similar to Jodha sleeping outside in the open.

Forget husband NO man should do that to any woman!