The Final Battle! A letter to the Shehenshah. - Page 3

Originally posted by: prejudiced

The way I see it, its not a question of BB's blunder vs Jalaal's reaction.

Yup its arm and a leg different. BB's was calculated, whereas Jalaal himself was a victim here.

However the point that is in focus here is when someone you consider very close to you causes you hurt, it takes a long long time to heal.

That is what had happened with Jalaal in the case of BB and now is happening with Jodha.Hence the analogy, I guess.

From Jodha's perspective she was thrown out middle of the night. She was told she was being "Freed" from the relationship. She was literally treated as a commodity. That's is the point she is reiterating. "when wanted she is kept, When wanted she is thrown". When she comes, she wants to come on her own. That is what she is finding hard to digest . In her pov, she did not deserve this kind of treatment.

.Atleast in this case here she was the root cause of the MU. No denying that But if u look at her entire stay in Agra, time and again she has had to prove herself even during cases she was not at fault.

She needs time to heal and from his own personal experiences, he needs to understand that.

With time, a sorted, eager Jodha will join him.

Originally posted by: Kaana

Hey Divya, how are you doing? Thanks for coming in and it is a pleasure to hear from you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.

Thanks Kaana for always encouraging good discussion.

Regd situation of BB and the present situation, agreed there is a difference in circumstances, but as Anu has kindly pointed out in her post, the scope of the discussion had governed my discussion.

Yes, I was also trying to make a general point - is that Jodha usually understands different POVs and is forgiving ... And Jalal loves Bakshi Bano a lot ... And yet she coaxed him to get over the hurt quite early on ...Jodha is also hurt because she loves Jalal.

Regarding BB being a reminder, now, the very same point brought up by you comes into the fore here - the circumstances are different. Jodha's feeling or lack of it then is different from what she feels for Jalal now. Irrespective of whether she wants to accept it or not, she does yearn for him and is very dear to her, and hence the resultant reaction now, in my humble view.

I am waiting for her to say it just as much as you as her current state is because of her love for Jalal being lost ... Not her self-respect, identity, or him breaking the vachans ... It is because she is in love. Hope this happens on Monday or soon thereafter or else we will all just be guessing what is driving her turmoil.

Yeah, I am with you and am sure that Jodha will realize that she cannot be away from Jalal and go back to him soon. Thanks again for your time on this post.

Yes, Jodha will realize soon enough!

Originally posted by: minnie2308

Frankly, even I have never felt 'love' from Jalal to Jo before the Ben track... wasn't it always "Oh Ruq! You are so high and mighty, you should not be stooping to Jo's levels"

"Badi Ammi and her karz that he can never repay .

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Infact even during their treck across the kingdom, when Ruq appeared out of the blue with her Khema, he had no qualms sleeping inside while his wife who had barely recuperated from illness slept outside alone... that was un gallant too! And I realised he really has not developed much love for her.

Hmm...great post. I cannot say or add anything. I like women who are able to stand up for themsleves and no love does not make you khak😛 It did not to me...

Hmm.. even today I would have been ok if Jalal repented half as much as he did. But he should not have said the guroor word at that time...

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Jalal's reply

Dear Kanaa (that you call me a friend, I also will consider you one. I value friendship a lot)

Bakshi's crime was intentional, cold-blooded, unforgivable and cheap but my mistake was an error of judgement and momentary loss of control of emotions. There is a huge difference between the two. The reactions to both the situations cannot be compared. So the very base of your letter stands on flimsy grounds.

I felt betrayed by my sister, as she did an act of evil knowingly, fully aware of the situation and its implications and so I could not forgive her easily. But was my act such an evil intentional one. I leave it to you to judge.

Moreover there was nothing in the my sister's betrayal that I was the indirect cause because of which my sister had to cheat on me. But here, my begum, did not trust me with the secret of her brother even before he took the vachan from her, which laid the foundation for such a mess. Has she no trust in my sense of Justice even after she has seen me in the Tasneem issue, The slavery issue and various other issues. Even in the case of Benazir when I was lividly angry with her for having insulted me, I did, as is the duty of an Emperor, conduct and enquiry in the DEK (milk test), but Benazir pulled a fast one. Did my Jodha not trust that I would conduct an enquiry for her brother and punish him ONLY if I found him wrong? Where is her implicit trust in me that she demands from me?

Whenever she has made a mistake of errors of judgement on me or lashed out hard words against me, they have even gone unnoticed as I have never even made an issue of them as I love her. She has also accused me of cheap things, questioned my integrity and conduct many a times, but I have learnt to see her beyond her words. I never take her words seriously. Neither have I expected her to apologise. .(Btw, dear Kanaa, whether it is the 16th century or the 21st century, why is respect and integrity spoken of as exclusive women's property?)

Raja Bharmal also betrayed Jodha and trapped her into a marriage that she was against. The entire family lied to her about the identity of the groom to save their skins. But ultimately it was me whom she blamed. By now I am used to all this. Forever being the gunehgaar in her eyes, for she is yet to see me beyond my words. But this time, I went out of the way to seek forgivance. And she knows herself that she is partially at fault as well. Then why all the fuss?

Well, I have a kingdom to care for and my responsibilities, to my kingdom and the rest of my family. Hence I leave. I leave it to her good sense to make a decision. God has given me abundant persistence if not patience. I trust in God. What happens, let it happen, and happen for the best.

Affectionately yours

Jalalluddin.

Originally posted by: prejudiced

The way I see it, its not a question of BB's blunder vs Jalaal's reaction.

Yup its arm and a leg different. BB's was calculated, whereas Jalaal himself was a victim here.

However the point that is in focus here is when someone you consider very close to you causes you hurt, it takes a long long time to heal.

That is what had happened with Jalaal in the case of BB and now is happening with Jodha.Hence the analogy, I guess.

From Jodha's perspective she was thrown out middle of the night. She was told she was being "Freed" from the relationship. She was literally treated as a commodity. That's is the point she is reiterating. "when wanted she is kept, When wanted she is thrown". When she comes, she wants to come on her own. That is what she is finding hard to digest . In her pov, she did not deserve this kind of treatment.

.Atleast in this case here she was the root cause of the MU. No denying that But if u look at her entire stay in Agra, time and again she has had to prove herself even during cases she was not at fault.

She needs time to heal and from his own personal experiences, he needs to understand that.

With time, a sorted, eager Jodha will join him.

Originally posted by: Kaana

Hi Minnie, thanks for coming in with your views, I respect the same. And if I may share my views too for @RED above and if it helps clarify things for you:

First let me be honest about this, whenever I am sharing something, I am not taking sides as I am not so anyway. I just go by data points as of then and try to analyse and put my thoughts around it in my own limited way and dare to present, be it right or wrong. And, in this process, I may end up praising or ridiculing an act of either character.

Also, I am NOT a feminist. I personally do not believe in such with due respect to those who are, I just believe in being a human - this is just me, thought would clarify as even in another post here I seem to viewed as a feminist.

@RED 1: My heart does break to here this. The way he cried the previous night was all out there to establish his deep love for her. Even a rock would have melted for him then. Even his coming out and looking at her affectionately through the night is a display of his love for her? That whole track drowned all of us too in his love for her. Though he has not come out of the dhakka insult still, he was not holding it against her. Ofcourse, she sacrificed her life for him which has nothing to compare with and he does recognize and realise this. In my humble view, looking at things holistically can provide us answers, where a single data point by itself might fail.

So, why did he allow Jodha to sleep outside? In the first place, it was Jodha's decision/wish (as always😉). It was all decided before he was even aware. Secondly, assuming, he asked Jodha also to sleep inside alongwith them, even if not the same bed!, we all know what would have happened. None would have slept that night!!!!!!! As Jodha was unwell, he wanted her to get some sleep atleast, even if it be in the open air! Jokes apart, in my view, that was the wise thing to do, instead of giving room for a showdown. This only shows his trust in Jodha. He knows for sure that she will not mistake him for this and am sure he is grateful to her for being so accomodative and averting an unnecessary showdown. Also, Jodha has been telling him that she does not want to come between them and he is quite aware of her thought process. So, is he taking a royal ride on her then? The answer as we would agree is, ofcourse not. While he had no qualms so to say to sleep inside with Ruqaiyya, he did have qualms to sleep away from Jodha. He could not stay away from her and came to spend the night with her under the sky. Is he a coward or weak not to be able to handle Ruqaiyya then? Again, its a no, it only points out that he is wise and knows how to deal with the situation.

Regarding her state of being unwell and still sleeping under the sky, we all know she has been living under the sky during this trip, and more so, she has been walking with him all along from Agra, which ideally should have been questioned first. So, neither Jodha nor Jalal had any fuss about it.

@RED 2: In my view again, Jalal has repented more that whole of him put together all through his life so far. Imagine a king, bowing is head down with folded hands and literally begging for forgiveness. Just shows his humility in the matter and how much he repents and sincerely seeks her forgiveness. I am not sure how many hsubands, let alone a king, would have persisted so long in getting a forgivance. I may not blame Jalal completely for the impression of guroor. The way the things were going, looking at it superficially, one can kind of form that opinion. Also, he can base this opinion based on past experience and impressions formed right from firsttime Amer days. There have also been many a time when Rajvanshiness has been emphasized indicating the pride one has about it.

So, if you had caught my word 'superficially', I have answered you. And my this very thread, is dealing with this. I am only looking at what drove this behaviour and what need be done to correct this. Based on my data points in the article, there is no need to form the said impression in this matter, but based on the past impressions he has, there is scope for such an impression when there is lack of response to his pleas. But when one is dealing with an issue, things need to be put in perspective, which is what this article is trying to point at.

Hope it helps. Pl feel free to share your thoughts. I would like to stand corrected for any oversight.