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Posted: 7 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Priya258

Bhashanbaazi toh chalti rehegi

And guess what Puru aur Alexander k fight me kahin Puru hi na jeet jaaye
Fir Puru gang Puru ko bhagane me help karega aur barsine and uski family ko bhi leke jayenge
Alex bus dekhta hi rehe jayega😆
Historically toh bahat kamiyan rehegi
Av bolke bhi fayda nai
Cvs waise hi dikhayenge jaisa unko sahi laage.
No doubt King Puru was great afterall he defended so strongly against Alexander.
Av yahan jo goody goody Puru hai usko bardast karni padegi
Waise real Alex hota toh itna time kisika lecture nai sunta aur real Puru toh faras hi nai aata😆
As history se show ka dur dur koi naata nai so av jaisa bhi dikhate h dekhenge
Pata nai kab me bore hojau aur show dekhna choddu😆


Yes. But I guess the CVs are playing to the crowd that loves their hero (Puru) spouting such dialogues.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: sashashyam

That is precisely what we need here, Deepika, less bhashanbaazi and more action, but realistic action, not of the kind indulged in by Puru, which looks more like something out of Rajni movies than anything linked to real life. Why does the PH not simply announce that this is a fantasy, and no one need expect anything like historicity or realism?

And I agree with you about what Puru should do, get back home pronto, but catch him doing it! What I expect to see now is not Alexander whopping Puru, for that would not suit the CVs, but him winning in that duel with Alexander, courtesy the CVs. Then I would like is to see him standing around pumping his chest and making yet another speech. In the meantime, Alexander will recover and knock him out!😉 That will teach him much needed commonsense.
Oh yes, rubbing my hands in glee at the thought of this happening

Yes, and your point about the ashwamedha yagna is spot on. I too made a passing reference to that in one of my recent posts.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 7 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Alexander, judging from his performance for the Farsi janata, is no slouch in the speechmaking department himself, but he is too down to earth, and not given to such soaring flights of mahaanta.😉 Poor chap, he never gets beyond Zeus ka beta, Achilles ka bakhtarbandh and the Gordian knot. All matters personal to him, whereas Puru holds forth in sweeping generalisations about things he knows nothing about!

So perhaps Alexander wants to have a Bhashanbaazi 201 course from Puru. The kid, you see, would have been useless for Alexander, and he would probably have eaten the jail authorities out of house and home. 😉

Interesting thought, Aunty. Aside from watching Puru fight, I think Alexander is observing how someone like Puru would win hearts. Something for him to note down and apply in future, I'm sure.

In any case, my theory was that Alexander was doing it all deliberately to smoke out Puru, and though I still feel, going by the sudden brightening in Alexander's eyes, that he had pulled it off, hardly anyone from among the regular TV audience is going to understand that. Puru does say so before Alexander arrives, but the viewers would have forgotten that by Monday evening, and would have got their tar brushes out for Alexander .

Yes, it needs to be spelled out, or people will totally miss this point. I am still optimistic it will be revealed in some way or the other. At least to Barsine, in private. Also, how selfish is she, still keeping quiet after calling for Puru and seeing him in so much trouble? She still hasn't opened her mouth! Untll the child is about to be harmed!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 7 years ago
#44
I still love Alexander's character, and I trust Rohit to keep doing an awesome job to make us feel for the character.

I am 200% sure this is all staged (not sure about the boy though, but Alexander is an opportunist for sure so he can definitely use this to his advantage). And there is no way that the Hephaestion we know would execute the kid without batting an eyelid. He trusts Alexander completely and his helping him weed out the 'intruder'.

When Alexander first came across the Gordian knot, he asked Hephaestion to try and open it and was totally confident he would succeeded. He was shocked to discover otherwise, because Hephaestion is one of the best warriors he has ever seen and trained with. Second probably only to Alexander as we saw earlier in the show. For him to be beaten and choked one-handed by Puru is no mean feat, and he managed to surprise Alexander. This piqued his curiosity so we're going to see more of Alexander playing cat and mouse game, with Puru of course mistakenly thinking he's the smart Jerry fooling Tom.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, my dear Alaria, I am grateful for committed readers like yourself- there are not many of them in this tiny forum - but I am beginning to wonder what I am doing here! Let us see how much longer I last. I have never watched till the end of any historical show till now, but the only saving grace here is that it is a limited one, and with the episodes, for the past several weeks being of 30-31 minutes instead if the standard 21, they must have consumed more of the 260 planned episodes than just 126. Even so, it is fast becoming both boring and intolerable, which is a fatal combo.

I could not have stomached a Hannibal, and so I never watched Silence of the Lambs. Or any of The Game of Thrones either, though so many rave about it. But I can see what you mean. Not that one expectsanything of that kind of dark but intelligent and complex characterisation in a traditional Hindi historical. The makers would be shocked and appalled at the very idea of such subtlety! So I do not even ask for the levels you have mentioned. I would have settled for a grey Alexander. Now they have emptied a bucket of tar over him.😡 And poor Hephaestion has been made the executioner in chief. Unbelievable. 😲

Don't wear your ocular apparatus waiting for any "explanation" of Alexander's actions of last night. I thought, and still believe, that he staged that kiddie execution to smoke out the Bharatiya, as I had written in my marathon post of Sunday. And as I wrote here, I think he has acheived what he set out to achieve. But NO ONE among the viewers is going to understand that, that is a given. The Rakshasa designation is here for keeps.

As for whether Alexander has guessed that Puru is a royal, and even his real identity, that might well be so, and if so, you can pat yourself on the back. 👏But I am not sure that is the real explanation, since the script plays at ducks and drakes with Alexander. Poor Ayesha had even hoped that Alexander had staged the whole drama with the fat kid to smoke the Bharatiya out of cover, but alas, it was no such thing.

You would be better off reading Alexander does a Holmes. At least there, Alexander was not demeaned or degraded like this,

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 7 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

^^ These are the very same thoughts which I possess.One of the biggest flaws of Indian Television is that it chooses the path of glorifying one excessively and villifying the other.The way the CVs wrote this plot it seems as if they do not want the audience to root for anyone except for Puru.In a way they have left no choice for the viewers which is ridiculous tbh.As a result Alexander was turned into a typical textbook villain who is a killing machine.

I just wanna ask the CVS something.Was it worth it?Was it worth twisting,turning and literally mutilating the entire story for absolutely no reason??
Wouldn't it be better if they had just written a proper story with equally well fleshed and nuanced characters? The audience would have totally enjoyed it.

I am this close to writing to them to ask for some common sense to be shown in the script. Historical figure or not, human nature hasn't changed in 2000+ years. Some things are just too outlandish to be acceptable.

If they feel that by doing all this they are showing Puru in a positive light then I am not sorry to burst their bubbles but they are totally mistaken.Ulta they have turned Puru into a caricature who does nothing except bhashanbaazi,action and uttering the same old dialogues.

Alexander toh hai hi rakshas,haivaan,jallad who can think of nothing except to conquer Bharat and who feels nothing.
Hephastion bhi muft main bali ka bakra ban gaya.I was shocked to see Hephastion like that.He was supposed to be a true friend and a sweet guy.But now he has been reduced to a bhaade ka gunda of Alex

Still got my fingers crossed that Hephaestion is playing along to help Alexander discover the truth.

Don't these stupid CVs realise that they gave turned their characters plain stupid and monotonous? Puru is a gone case,Alex has been rakshasified,Barsine is clueless,Laachi has nothing to do now except cheerleading for Puru,Hephastion ko bhi nahi baksha and God knows what purpose Hasti,Ambhikumar and Vishuddhi are serving.

This has been a problem with almost all of the Swastik shows.Even Star Mahabharat which is their best project till date had this flaw as it was biased to Arjun.

As @Alaria said,it's only when the writers do not get overly attached to one character that they would be able to pay attention to all of them and churn out a proper story.

Yes, the writers need to be like parents who do not show preference for one child or the other and accept each one with his or her faults and merits.

Hannibal was an amazing series where every character served a purpose and I never lost my interest.
No one expects Swastik to achieve that level of excellence but atleast they can try to do something.

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Posted: 7 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: inlieu


Alexander is intrigued, and his curious mind always likes to observe and learn. This is the main reason he wants to see Puru in action. I believe Aristotle fostered and encourage this attitude to life and it served Alexander well wherever he went. He wanted to know which outsider would dare to come into a country at war and try to save a princess from under his nose!

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Yap I agree on that one, he getting courois. About poru , do you think threre going duel. Or his mother going to stop,it if he listens to her
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think he will convince her to meet this specimen, or she may herself become curious to know why Alexander is so interested in Puru. She will do something really strategic once she meets him. Olympias still is way ahead of everyone when it comes to plotting. When she walked in on Alexander she already knew about the match, but also knew it wouldn't be easy to convince her son to drop everything Bharat-related. He gets his determination from her after all. 😆 I'm getting the feeling she'll do something totally unexpected so that saanp bhi mar jaye or laathi bhi na toote! 😉
Aakhir risht mein to woh Alexander ki maa lagti hai!

I can't see Alexander duel in his Persian robes! I don't think Alexander knows who Puru really is, and even if he did, it would be beneath him to defeat him in such a cheap manner. He would want the glory of being victorious in India by going to war.


Originally posted by: Sandy6018

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Yap I agree on that one, he getting courois. About poru , do you think threre going duel. Or his mother going to stop,it if he listens to her

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Posted: 7 years ago
#48
My dear Inlieu,

Your id, in Anglo-French, would mean in place. There was never an id more suited to the person, for you are not only in place but all over the place!😉 Twelve posts here, and then at least three more on two threads, one being your own. Bravo, kiddo!👏 Not just for the sheer volume of output, but for the excellent points you have made.

I was not going to come here at all today, not having posted yesternight and instead rested my fingers. They are not too good today either, but those two other threads made me post there, which did not help my hands any. So I am very sorry that I cannot respond to all your very interesting comments here, something I would have otherwise definitely done.

Anyhow, I shall do just this one, and my comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thanks Aunty. Much appreciated.

I haven't watched today's episode yet, but based on what I saw in yesterday's one Alexander pretty much confirmed to Barsine that he'd planned to and succeeded in weeding out Barsine's helper. Puru was proudly mocking Alexander for not being able to catch that person and that just made me laugh out loud because Alexander had been playing them all this while just to trap Puru. if people don't get it after hearing that, then maybe some of the audience needs it further dumbed down. Besides, Alexander is the type to only make a passing remark about his tactics. He's not going to go into details about every step in his plan and the CVs won't show us elaborate flashbacks of his plotting with Hephaestion either.

Alexander told Barsine that he now understood why she loves India so much - did he think Puru was her lover? 😆

Both Alexander and Puru had dialogues about being a lion, but it was clear that Alexander was in a league of his own. I will say again, Rohit was fabulous as usual.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Inlieu,

Your id, in Anglo-French, would mean in place. There was never an id more suited to the person, for you are not only in place but all over the place!😉 Twelve posts here, and then at least three more on two threads, one being your own. Bravo, kiddo!👏 Not just for the sheer volume of output, but for the excellent points you have made.

I was not going to come here at all today, not having posted yesternight and instead rested my fingers. They are not too good today either, but those two other threads made me post there, which did not help my hands any. So I am very sorry that I cannot respond to all your very interesting comments here, something I would have otherwise definitely done.

Anyhow, I shall do just this one, and my comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Yesterday was quite boring in Porus. So I am enjoying a much needed break. Not that I need to exert myself; you do very well when you bestir yourself!
My hands hurt today, so I shall make just one point.

Not even ten percent of the viewers of Porus would have understood, despite what Porus told Laachi the day before about Alexander organising that town hall meeting only in order to catch the Bharatiya helping Barsine, that even the pseudo execution of the fat kid was part of the same plan. They would have taken it at face value, and decided that despite his soft speech and his promises, Alexander was a cruel king and couldn't be trusted.

We, the few of us who analyse and understand Alexander, are sensitive to every fleeting shade that crosses his face or his eyes, and so can see what he has been up to. As I had noted earlier, one can't expect a lady with one eye on the dinner and another on the TV to grasp these subtleties.

It could have been made crystal clear with just one sentence to Barsine. " Tumhein kya laga, shehzaadi, ki main us badtameez bachche to marnewala tha? Wo to sirf ek zariya tha, is Bharatiya ko benaqaab karne ka". But that mocking comment was not forthcoming.

Yes, Alexander. seems to think that Barsine loves this Bharatiya, which is why, he says last night with a semi s tryarcastic smile, she loves Bharat so much. But then who told Alexander that she loves Bharat?

As for your question as to how Alexander linked Barsine's smile to her sojourn in Bharat, I suppose he reasoned as follows.
1) Barsine was not enthused by anything in his speech. He could see that clearly.
2) She suddenly smiles when the Persian bazaar catches fire
That can't be because of the unfortunate incident which harmed her own people.
3) Nor could it have been a casual local incident, for that would have produced a different reaction in Barsine. But it is not new to her.
4) Alexander has ruled out the accidental fire option.
5) So it must have been done by an outsider, with whose modus operandi Barsine is familiar.
6) She was till recently in Bharat. So that incident is linked to Bharat, to someone from Bharat.

Finally, if Alexander is going to stick to the Persian get up, he should at least have three or four outfits to wear. Right now, he seems to be following in Barsine's footsteps in this regard!😆

Shyamala Aunty

QUOTE=inlieu]
Thanks Aunty. Much appreciated.

I haven't watched today's episode yet, but based on what I saw in yesterday's one Alexander pretty much confirmed to Barsine that he'd planned to and succeeded in weeding out Barsine's helper. Puru was proudly mocking Alexander for not being able to catch that person and that just made me laugh out loud because Alexander had been playing them all this while just to trap Puru. if people don't get it after hearing that, then maybe some of the audience needs it further dumbed down. Besides, Alexander is the type to only make a passing remark about his tactics. He's not going to go into details about every step in his plan and the CVs won't show us elaborate flashbacks of his plotting with Hephaestion either.

Alexander told Barsine that he now understood why she loves India so much - did he think Puru was her lover? 😆

Both Alexander and Puru had dialogues about being a lion, but it was clear that Alexander was in a league of his own. I will say again, Rohit was fabulous as usual.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Inlieu,

Your id, in Anglo-French, would mean in place. There was never an id more suited to the person, for you are not only in place but all over the place!😉 Twelve posts here, and then at least three more on two threads, one being your own. Bravo, kiddo!👏 Not just for the sheer volume of output, but for the excellent points you have made.

I was not going to come here at all today, not having posted yesternight and instead rested my fingers. They are not too good today either, but those two other threads made me post there, which did not help my hands any. So I am very sorry that I cannot respond to all your very interesting comments here, something I would have otherwise definitely done.

Anyhow, I shall do just this one, and my comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago

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