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Posted: 7 years ago
#11
Alexander, judging from his performance for the Farsi janata, is no slouch in the speechmaking department himself, but he is too down to earth, and not given to such soaring flights of mahaanta.😉 Poor chap, he never gets beyond Zeus ka beta, Achilles ka bakhtarbandh and the Gordian knot. All matters personal to him, whereas Puru holds forth in sweeping generalisations about things he knows nothing about!

So perhaps Alexander wants to have a Bhashanbaazi 201 course from Puru. The kid, you see, would have been useless for Alexander, and he would probably have eaten the jail authorities out of house and home. 😉

In any case, my theory was that Alexander was doing it all deliberately to smoke out Puru, and though I still feel, going by the sudden brightening in Alexander's eyes, that he had pulled it off, hardly anyone from among the regular TV audience is going to understand that. Puru does say so before Alexander arrives, but the viewers would have forgotten that by Monday evening, and would have got their tar brushes out for Alexander .

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: .CHOTA_DON.

For a normal viewer, Alexander has now definitely turned into a villain unless of course they try to give some justifications for his act, which of course they are not giving... Lol..

Puru ki speech ke toh kya kehna ... I think the only reason they brought this child into picture was so that Puru could enlighten Alexander... ironically Alexander was ready to kill the child who was not ready to bow down but Puru who gave him speeches after speeches lands up safely in jail where Alexander will again go to gossip about Bharat with him...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well, Ayesha my dear, I was astonished and not a little pleased to see your marvellously apt comments almost as soon as I put up this post. Thank you!!

I am glad you enjoyed Raazi so much. I have not seen it yet, for because of my RA, I cannot sit for so long in a theatre, and I shall have to wait for the DVD. But I wonder if they showed any backgrounder, in terms of what was happening on the ground in 1971. It was way before your time, but you must have read about it. Over a million East Pakistanis slaughtered by the Pak army, and tens of thousands of women violated.

When I think of 1971, that is the first thing that comes to mind, and it is very difficult to think of the establishment in that country - to which the Raazi characters belong, as "people like us", though I am sure there are any number of kind hearted and good folks there among the general populace. Bajrangi Bhaijaan showed that very well, I thought.

Raazi, however, sounds suspiciously and deliberately even handed - correct me if I am wrong - and wrt what happened in what is now Bangladesh, and wrt 26/11 and all the other terrorist outrages that have been inflicted on us by the establishment over there, there is no room for even handedness. Think about it. We are all so politically correct these days that even normal nationalism and patriotism are dismissed as jingoism. I would like all these folks, who light candles at Attari Wagah, to go and fight our next war with our neighbour.

OK, enough of that. I am sure it was a very good film, for Meghna Gulzar has always been a favourite of mine, whether it was Filhaal or Talvar.

We are resoundingly of one mind about Puru's bhashan, so I need not say anything about that. But as for your choice of song, it is utterly, butterly delightful, my dear.🤗I used to love SRK performing to it way back in 2000. What a marvellous sight it would have been if Puru & Co. had actually performed SRK's song like a concert item! Alexander would have been totally flummoxed!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: --BlackSheep--

Hey there Shyamala Aunty!!

Yesterday I went for the movie Raazi by Meghna Gulzar.It had its own share of loopholes but what I loved in that movie was the portrayal of characters on both sides of the border.The Indian characters were patriotic who were ready to give up their lives for their country.
But the Pakistani characters were shown as evil or OTT villains either.They too were normal and decent people who were loyal to their nation like we are to ours.
It was so refreshing to see something which was a breath of fresh air from the typical good vs evil stereotypical movies.

Then coming to our good old Porus which refuses to let go off the ages old stereotypes.
Alexander was not some Rakshas,shaitaan or haivaan 🥱He was a prodigy who set out to expand his kingdom.
The real rakshasas were the Mongols and the Huns.And I cannot understand the big fuss about the Pair Poshi thing.
Didn't the Persians do the same to Darius and the Emperor before him?Then what's the big deal about Alexander?
Also it was stupid for some kid to say anything against it.The condition for a common man in those days was to get used to one ruler after another.
Sad but it's true.

Anyway in the alternate universe of Swastik 's Porus,the series of events happened and Puru gave his bhashan.
And Congratulations Puru has rightfully won the title of the King Of Bhashanbaazi from Jodha Begum👏👏

Coming to Puru's speech about Bharatiyas,I will say that while the speech which he gave during the Farsi wrestling match gave me goosebumps and had me clapping for him,this one had me pulling my hair😆

Totally agree with you about the flaws in his speech.Okay even if we ignore Dhanananda for now what about the moles in Puru's own house?I am referring to none other than Shivdutt and Kanishk.If Alexander is a Rakshas then Shivdutt and Kanishk are definitely not barbie dolls right?

Puru dearie!!! First deal with the traitors and monsters inside your country and strengthen it from within rather than lecturing Alex.

I am an Indian myself and I love my nation and culture.And I also believe that while we possess several positive qualities we have our share of negatives as well.
Infact it's the same case with all the countries.No one is perfect for now.

Actually I would have been happier with Puru had he just sang this song in front of Alex along with his little band rather than giving that long bhashan -

Hum Logo Ko, Samajh Sako To
Hum Logo Ko, Samajh Sako To, Samjho Dilbar Jaani
Jitna Bhi Tum Samjhoge Utni Hogi Hairani
Hum Logo Ko, Samajh Sako To, Samjho Dilbar Jaani
Jitna Bhi Tum Samjhoge Utni Hogi Hairani
Apni Chatri Tum Ko De De Kabhi Jo Barse Paani
Kabhi Naye Packet Mein Beche Tumko Cheez Purani
Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani
Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani

Thode Anadi Hai, Thode Khiladi
Ruk Ruk Ke Chalti Hai Apni Gaadi
Thode Anadi Hai, Thode Khiladi
Ruk Ruk Ke Chalti Hai Apni Gaadi
Hume Pyaar Chaahiye, Aur Kuch Paise Bhi
Hum Aise Bhi Hai, Hum Hai Waise Bhi
Hum Logo Ko, Samajh Sako To, Samjho Dilbar Jaani
Ulti Seedhi Jaisi Bhi Hai Apni Yahi Kahani
Thodi Hum Me Hushiyari Hai Thodi Hai Naadani
Thodi Hum Me Sacchai Hai Thodi Beimaani
Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani
Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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That is precisely what we need here, Deepika, less bhashanbaazi and more action, but realistic action, not of the kind indulged in by Puru, which looks more like something out of Rajni movies than anything linked to real life. Why does the PH not simply announce that this is a fantasy, and no one need expect anything like historicity or realism?

And I agree with you about what Puru should do, get back home pronto, but catch him doing it! What I expect to see now is not Alexander whopping Puru, for that would not suit the CVs, but him winning in that duel with Alexander, courtesy the CVs. Then I would like is to see him standing around pumping his chest and making yet another speech. In the meantime, Alexander will recover and knock him out!😉 That will teach him much needed commonsense.

Yes, and your point about the ashwamedha yagna is spot on. I too made a passing reference to that in one of my recent posts.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I agree frictional things r needed 2 run a historical serial but if u in Jodha Akbar , Akbar was unpredictable character how many times he fooled his enemy , he disclosed maha Anga conspiracy, Akbar had layers in his character, Prithviraj was also had a frictional story but makers kept his image in mind , he always did what was necessary he never unnecessary challenged chori , mostly his action speakers more than bhasanbaji, he was mostly busy in his missions, Shivaji 2 was mostly busy in his missions , his action also speak more than bhasanbaji, fans use 2 demand scenes of young Shivaji & saibai which use 2 come occasionally , jhansi ki rani also action speaked more than bhasanbaji but in poras bhasanbaji speak more than action. Makers r portraying puru as an samaj sudharak.


What wrong did alexander did by capturing faras , he won faras by fair mean , if Darius ran away its not alexander's fault.

Puru also speech proves his lack of knowledge, in india kings uses 2 do ashwamedh yagya 2 expand their territories , those kings were doing some kind of charity.

In process of glorifying puru makers r making him look fool. A person is giving bhasan 2 alexander but hardly he knows what going at his back in his kingdom unlike alexander who first eliminated his internal enemies then proceeded 2 eliminated external.

I m seriously hoping 4 puru's failure , no something major has 2 happen 2 bring puru back 2 bharat varna he will not stop bothering & following alexander.

If this match is going 2 happen b/w alex & puru then i won't mind alex beating hell out of puru & breaking up his over confidence, coz in precap also puru was over confident that alexander will regret, underestimating alex's power

Alexander fail every plan of cheerleader gang & barsine 2 rescue puru.

Coz puru has 2 realise alexander is definately not an easy enemy

Final war will be won by alex only coz it was hinted by oracle that he will not loose in war field , even alex is having d armour

There is saying when we raise finger on someone we forget our own 3 finger point 2wards us, .

Puru needs 2 return 2 bharat asap, see what bhartiyas r doing at his back

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Bhashanbaazi toh chalti rehegi
And guess what Puru aur Alexander k fight me kahin Puru hi na jeet jaaye
Fir Puru gang Puru ko bhagane me help karega aur barsine and uski family ko bhi leke jayenge
Alex bus dekhta hi rehe jayega😆
Historically toh bahat kamiyan rehegi
Av bolke bhi fayda nai
Cvs waise hi dikhayenge jaisa unko sahi laage.
No doubt King Puru was great afterall he defended so strongly against Alexander.
Av yahan jo goody goody Puru hai usko bardast karni padegi
Waise real Alex hota toh itna time kisika lecture nai sunta aur real Puru toh faras hi nai aata😆
As history se show ka dur dur koi naata nai so av jaisa bhi dikhate h dekhenge
Pata nai kab me bore hojau aur show dekhna choddu😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Agar sirf show ki baat kare toh yes Alex is cruel.
Av bache pe bhi rehem nai h.
I don't understand how alex recognize just by looking at Puru that he is bharatiya😲
Aisa kaunsa face reading ka course kiya h hume bhi batao🤣
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

You can relax, this is not going to be another Ramayana like my last post. 😆

In fact, I have nothing much to say about the episode, except that Puru's bhashan about the unequalled virtues of the Bharatiyas would have provoked an angel. Even Jodha Begum never spouted so much self praise about the Rajvanshis.

If all the Bharatiyas had been like what Puru makes them out to be, there would have been no Dhananand (of course it is doubtful if Puru knows anything about him or about Magadha either😉), and no reason for Chanakya to struggle for years to cobble together a coalition against him. Raja Purushottam would have had the whole country fight alongside him against Alexander, instead of having to go it all alone, with Ambhiraj of Takshashila ranged on the side of the invader. And of course we would never have been ravaged by the Ghaznis and Ghoris. and ruled over by any number of outsiders from the Slave Dynasty to the Brits. We are a great country and we have a great, millenial civilisation, but there is no point blowing one's trumpet non stop about it, and that is all that Puru does.

Now, after having been treated to Puru's usual hijinks of solo victories against a dozen, which bores one to tears, we are apparently going to have a duel between him and Alexander. This is something that I had anticipated earlier in a different context, and then dismissed, thinking that a king would not fight a commoner. But now here it is!

I don't suppose either of them can be shown defeating the other, not at this stage of the show, so I expect it will be a draw, or it will be somehow cancelled.

Actually, it is strange to see Alexander. the king of Persia, thinking of fighting against some ordinary Bharatiya, and for what? Normally, kings would fight only against their equals in rank. Why does Alexander plan to do this now? To prove that all the stuff Puru was spouting was wrong? A sensible king would just have locked him up, and the public would very soon have forgotten all about him.

Perhaps it is a boyish desire to prove himself top dog, even against a nobody, simply because he has dared to challenge Alexander. This is perhaps Alexander's real weakness (though I doubt if Puru is going to spot this durbalta); he has to win every time, and he has to be seen winning.

But Alaria has a different take on this, so do look at her comment below.

So the whole of Faras has to be there to see him triumph against the Bharatiya. Is he going to build a mammoth stadium to accommodate all these Farsis? Ridiculous.😡 And what of Bactria and, hopefully, Roxanne? Put on hold for these gladiatorial games, one presumes.

I begin to get the impression that something Chetan Hansraj (he was one of the only two TV actors I have ever met, along with Aashka Goradia) told me 10 years ago in Montreal still holds good: that the CVs wake up each morning and write the script for the next day. And they probably write by committee: Kal maine kar liya na, aaj tum kar lo!

Yes, and Alexander has now officially been classified as a rakshasa, courtesy Laachi. I suppose that he will progressively be turned , from what poor Rohit thinks he is, a parallel lead, to a full blown villain. Saare lakshan to aise hi nazar aa rahe hain.😡

The only thing that was worth watching tonight was the way in which Alexander sat there, unmoving, like a graven image, while Hephaestion was being half strangled by Puru. His self control is admirable, and he never flies off the handle.

Then the way in which he quickly looked back at Barsine when Puru said they had come to Faras to fulfil a promise. He can connect the dots faster than a modern PC! 👏

Yes, and the way in which his tawny eyes held Puru's dark eyes in a lockhold, neither of them blinking and neither letting go. And the level voice in which he speaks to Puru, never raising it and never ranting.

Finally, it was clear, from the sudden triumph in Alexander's narrowed eyes when Puru saves the child and clobbers Hephaestion, that he had achieved what he had wanted, ie to smoke out the Bharatiya who was helping Barsine. I was glad to be (occasionally!) proved right!😉

Puru fails to bring any nuance to that confrontation ; he is the same, smug, self-satisfied, over-confident character he ever was, always sure he is 101% right and ready to lecture to all and sundry. He must have been feeling deprived, not having had the chance to deliver a bhashan for quite a while, and now that he got it, he made full use of it, alas for me!😆

Lastly, I think it is high time Alexander changed out of this Persian costume and got back to the Macedonian white in which he looks every inch a warrior. I am sure even Rohit's most ardent admirers must have done with counting and admiring his abs, so there should be no complaints!😆
I have not watched the Paurava Rashtra parts; that can keep.

I don't know how many of you will like this crabby post, but if you happen to do so, kindly hit the Like button.

Shyamala Aunty


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Edited by Meghna333 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Dear Priya,

See, as I had noted in my last post, my theory was that Alexander had planned the whole function to trap the Bharatiya who he was sure was helping Barsine and her family. Puru thinks the same thing, and says so to Laachi.

The child piping up was just a bonus. Alexander was sure the Bharatiya - who, as he says to Puru later, did not like the sajda at all - would intervene to stop the kid from being killed and would expose himself. Which was exactly what happened, and proof of that is that Alexander's eyes light up for a brief instant as soon as the child has been saved.

So there is no question of cruelty here, but unless this is explained thru a flashback statement by Alexander to, say,Hephaestion, no one in the average viewing public will understand that. And Alexander will have jallad written all over him for the rest of the show!

Now, this is the truth of the matter. Alexander, who has been looking for the Bharatiya and lands up with Puru, naturally concludes that this is the Bharatiya he wanted to get hold of. Naturally he will not want to bring Barsine into the matter, so he says that Puru's face looks Bharatiya. That is all.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Priya258

Agar sirf show ki baat kare toh yes Alex is cruel.

Av bache pe bhi rehem nai h.
I don't understand how alex recognize just by looking at Puru that he is bharatiya😲
Aisa kaunsa face reading ka course kiya h hume bhi batao🤣

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Sau baat ki ek baat, Priya!

The only way out, when things become realy intolerable, is to vote with your remote. But somehow I don't think Alexander will be defeated here. It is too early. And perhapss not at Hydaspes either. Let us see.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Priya258

Bhashanbaazi toh chalti rehegi

And guess what Puru aur Alexander k fight me kahin Puru hi na jeet jaaye
Fir Puru gang Puru ko bhagane me help karega aur barsine and uski family ko bhi leke jayenge
Alex bus dekhta hi rehe jayega😆
Historically toh bahat kamiyan rehegi
Av bolke bhi fayda nai
Cvs waise hi dikhayenge jaisa unko sahi laage.
No doubt King Puru was great afterall he defended so strongly against Alexander.
Av yahan jo goody goody Puru hai usko bardast karni padegi
Waise real Alex hota toh itna time kisika lecture nai sunta aur real Puru toh faras hi nai aata😆
As history se show ka dur dur koi naata nai so av jaisa bhi dikhate h dekhenge
Pata nai kab me bore hojau aur show dekhna choddu😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, Ayesha my dear, I was astonished and not a little pleased to see your marvellously apt comments almost as soon as I put up this post. Thank you!!

I am glad you enjoyed Raazi so much. I have not seen it yet, for because of my RA, I cannot sit for so long in a theatre, and I shall have to wait for the DVD. But I wonder if they showed any backgrounder, in terms of what was happening on the ground in 1971. It was way before your time, but you must have read about it. Over a million East Pakistanis slaughtered by the Pak army, and tens of thousands of women violated.

When I think of 1971, that is the first thing that comes to mind, and it is very difficult to think of the establishment in that country - to which the Raazi characters belong, as "people like us", though I am sure there are any number of kind hearted and good folks there among the general populace. Bajrangi Bhaijaan showed that very well, I thought.

Raazi, however, sounds suspiciously and deliberately even handed - correct me if I am wrong - and wrt what happened in what is now Bangladesh, and wrt 26/11 and all the other terrorist outrages that have been inflicted on us by the establishment over there, there is no room for even handedness. Think about it. We are all so politically correct these days that even normal nationalism and patriotism is dismissed as jingoism. I would like all these folks, who light candles at Attari Wagah, to go and fight our next war with our neighbour.

OK, enough of that. I am sure it was a very good film, for Meghna Gulzar has always been a favourite of mine, whether it was Filhaal or Talvar.

We are resoundingly of one mind about Puru's bhashan, so I need not say anything about that. But as for your choice of song, it is utterly, butterly delightful, my dear.🤗I used to love SRK performing to it way back in 2000. What a marvellous sight it would have been if Puru & Co. had actually performed SRK's song like a concert item! Alexander would have been totally flummoxed!

Shyamala Aunty

@purple,Ah!! There are instances when I do manage to overcome my laziness which I consider to be my Achilles Heel😆
I feel proud of myself on such occasions and thap thapao my own back😆


@bold,If you will forgive me for this little bit of spoilers then they did give some background info on the Mukti Bahini and there was also the PNS Ghazi-INS Vikrant issue which forms the crux of the story.
I wonder if you have seen the Rana Daggubati - Taapsee Pannu starrer The Ghazi Attack(which was IMO even more brilliant than Raazi).Raazi can very well be seen as an unofficial prequel to that movie
Yes even though it happened way before my birth I did read a lot on the 1971 war.Infact all the phases of Indian history fascinate me.I guess I get it from my mother's side😆

Well what you have pointed out about our not so friendly neighnour's actions are correct on spot.The way their army behaved was inhuman and something which can never be justified.From what I have read about the establishment of that nation it is far from 'like us'.

I guess Raazi was prolly referring to the common people of Pakistan who had nothing to do with the issue.
But considering the fact that certain characters were men from the military aka the protagonist Sehmat's father in law,brother in law and husband,it cannot be excused or overlooked and neither can they pass for the common public regardless of how nice they were to her on a personal basis.

IMO our past and present with our immediate neighbour is so messed up thanks to their military and government that at present we need to be wary at every step.
Things like friendship and truce look very good on paper but the reality is a different matter altogether.As it is said,it takes two to tango.So unless their establishment.changes or reforms themselves completely we cannot do anything.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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"Actually, it is strange to see Alexander. the king of Persia, thinking of fighting against some ordinary Bharatiya, and for what? Normally, kings would fight only against their equals in rank. Why does Alexander plan to do this now? To prove that all the stuff Puru was spouting was wrong? A sensible king would just have locked him up, and the public would very soon have forgotten all about him."

As Alexander said jiska bharat se naata hai wo muje bahat bhaata hai.So Puru is purely made of Bharat😃also apart from Puru no one would have dared to save that child from being killed.Alexander found this as challenging.Afterall one need courage extreme determination to come up like this and fight with so many soldiers.Alex might have understood a Normal common human being cannot show that much of courage.There is something extra special in Puru.
Though in real no King would have call for fight but in show for entertainment everything is possible.







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