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Posted: 13 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Shas3

Ok about the God thing, that to me is beyond unrealistic, but I believe that the CVs used that as a tool to indicate foreshadowing.
Adi and Sugs are a forced jodi looking at it in more ways than one.

In my opinion Adi and Amrita were not really in love. When Amrita found out about Sugs sardhakai why didn't she immediately phone Adi and ask him about it? If their relationship was so strong, she would have had the courage to at least find out exactly from him what happened and relate her feelings to him. She didn't do that.

I am an Adini supporter. I believe that in the long run they make a healthier match than she would with TVS.
TVS was under no compulsion with Sugni because she loves him yet in some way or the other he found ways to force his will on her; it resulted in her mother being shot and whether you like it or not, he brought back Amrita for his benefit and tried to brain wash her to do what he wanted.

Aditya on the other hand loves Sugni. They are forced together now because of this wedding. Aditya though knows that Sungi loves his uncle and he is willing to break their upcoming marriage and possibly unite Sugni with TVS just for her happiness. Will Sugni really ever be happy knowing that she broke a marriage to make her own life happy; whether the marriage was weak or not the 'other woman' is unfortunately always blamed.

This all started with TVS's lie. Yes, he lied, omitted whatever you want to call it. If Sugni married him she would have been his mistress because he was married and in another way due to the Sardhkai now she is Aditya's mistress.

Vikram has done good and done bad, so has Aditya by breaking Amrita's hopes, whether that was love or not. Both had good intentions.

Aditya understands Sugni in a way that TVS doesn't.
I completely agree with orianthi and Shreya_94

I totally agreed with you i started watching this show from the very first episode and then i stopped for a while and i started watching again when Adi and Gulibiya found crazy Reva and brought her home on Sug and TVS wedding day i think so i don't really know what happen from the time i stopped to when i started back watching. But i will like to know how come Vickram didn't know Reva was alive all the time i mean she is his wife na so don't husbands usually know the wares about of their wives??? I am not blaming TVS but i just find it confusing i really like TVS and if Sugni is not made for him i hope he finds his life partner cause Reva she can die now for all i care hate her with passion.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: JulieD

I just think that the CVs know they want Adini jodi in the end. They are trying hard to make it acceptable to the audience, so they use these "god-ordained" symbolism.

Yes Sugni was lied to by TVS but she has completely forgotten that Adi had treated her like dirt in the beginning. He left no opportunity to insult her. He physically dragged her out the mansion as well. I am sorry but I would never be with a man who could treat a woman like that.

You clearly have not seen a serial on star Plus Iss Pyaar Ko kya Naam Doon?. the perfect stroy that starts with hate, conflicts, fighths, insults, with "I Hate you" " I Hate you more" said between the leads, Arnav and Khushi. only for them to end up madly in love with eachother to the point that seperation is like death. and not to mention lot of God Ordained symbolisym binding them toghther unknowingly.
many relationships start with hate and prejudice but end with love and respect.
Aditya hated sugni because he was prejudice to her community of bedni, he father left him and his mother for one. it is obvious the would not have any respect of foundness for them. but as the comes to know Sugni as a person he comes to respect and be a friend to her.
this happens because you build respect with time and knowledge of the other person. this is the story of Aditya and Sugni
in the same way a relationship may start with respect and love you place that person on the highest pedestal in you life, above every one else, but one selfish act you that person shatters you perseption of that individual has painted vivid dreams in your life but then covers those paintings with black paint, try wiping that black paint off, thebeautiful vivid pictures wash away as well. because that person has fallen of the pedestal you placed him on and is shattered. you cant get the preety pictures back nor can you patch up the shattered . this is the stroy of vikram and Sugni.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
@Octopie
You have a really good point! I would not stay in his mansion either because that makes her actions contradict what she says she wants. I think Vikram would have been able to forget her if she had just stayed away. Her decision of Rai and Sardhaki where absolutely wrong. If she had stayed in her own home, away from Vikram, she would have been off of Vikram's mind. Where as now, she stays at his home and he knows she is present so he is always trying to find a way to be near her or go talk to her. But, knowing Vikram's character, I feel like she would have to leave the city with out telling anyone where she is going so Vikram does not where she is and has no choice but to forget her because if he knew where she was he would continuously go there to talk to her and persuade her to come with him.

Adi falling in love with Sugni on the other hand, for me is like what happens in an arranged marriage. Two people are asked to live together by marrying each other and eventually they may fall in love with each other. Adi and Sugni both were forced to live together due to bad circumstances and Adi in the process fell in love with Sugni. I really do feel bad for Amrita! When Adi and Sugni first happened, when ever I would see them on screen, I would always think in the back of my head that Sugni and Amrita were such good friend and if Adi goes to Sugni then what kind of a friend does that make Sugni? However, when she left Adi with Sugni I started to accept the two together. I would never be able to accept Adi and Sugni if Amrita was still in the picture. But, with that said. As I look back now I don't think that Adi really ever had any sort of feelings for Amrita. Amrita would always fight with him and tell him "you care about everyone else but me, your family and your mamaji come first and what about me? Where do I fit in your life?" He never really had an answer but now if you see Adi and his actions, Sugni comes first. He doesn't care that he is lying to his grandma, that his mom does not like Sugni and is even willing to fight his Mamaji to protect Sugni. Adi never did that for Amrita but he does for Sugni.

I don't think that if Adi and Sugni get married they should stay in the same city as Vikram, much less in the same house. That would be extremely unfair to Vikram. If Adi-Sugni get married they should move out, and live their life somewhere else, away from Vikram so he is able to get over Sugni. Like I said how do you get over someone when they are in front of you 24/7.

By the way, I forgot to ask you, what's your name? We have been talking through posts and I am such an idiot I didn't even ask for your name 😆. My name is Riya 😊


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Posted: 13 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Istila


I disagree. Vikram was going to divorce Reva, but she was pretending to be mentally ill, putting him in an awkward position of responsibility. If two people got married then it's marriage not prostitution. It depends on the laws of the country, religious beliefs, etc. TVS would have better off becoming a Muslim & moved to a Muslim country, he could supported the two wives easily.



However, I don't think that Sugni's moral values and consciousness would allow her to live as Vikram's second wife. If Sugni, Vikram and Reva where Muslims and lived in a Muslim country then polygamy would be okay for them because in the society they lived in it was an accepted norm, however, because Sugni, Vikram and Reva do not live in such a society I don't think Sugni would ever accept Vikram even asking her to do something like that. For instance, in their society adultery is more than often accepted but not marrying and keeping two wives at the same time, but Sugni doesn't even accept that norm so I don't think she would accept polygamy either.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: merrydock

You clearly have not seen a serial on star Plus Iss Pyaar Ko kya Naam Doon?. the perfect stroy that starts with hate, conflicts, fighths, insults, with "I Hate you" " I Hate you more" said between the leads, Arnav and Khushi. only for them to end up madly in love with eachother to the point that seperation is like death. and not to mention lot of God Ordained symbolisym binding them toghther unknowingly.

many relationships start with hate and prejudice but end with love and respect.
Aditya hated sugni because he was prejudice to her community of bedni, he father left him and his mother for one. it is obvious the would not have any respect of foundness for them. but as the comes to know Sugni as a person he comes to respect and be a friend to her.
this happens because you build respect with time and knowledge of the other person. this is the story of Aditya and Sugni
in the same way a relationship may start with respect and love you place that person on the highest pedestal in you life, above every one else, but one selfish act you that person shatters you perseption of that individual has painted vivid dreams in your life but then covers those paintings with black paint, try wiping that black paint off, thebeautiful vivid pictures wash away as well. because that person has fallen of the pedestal you placed him on and is shattered. you cant get the preety pictures back nor can you patch up the shattered . this is the stroy of vikram and Sugni.



i really like you point. infact i compare TVS to Shyam. the difference here is the Shyam wife is good and he is after money too. Shyam is in love with Khushi too. he was practically obsess about her, he said Anjeli is mad, possessive and needy ...and he think is in love with Khushi. so does that gave him the right to lie, get engage, and hurt his wife and unborn child, just because he loves someone else?????, what make TVS different is that his wife is actually crazy and he is not after any money. TVS also shoot sugni's mom for his love so that makes him an equal to Shyam.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46
👏👏@ Octopie It is okay that you mentioned Vikram😃
Octopie I applaud you for giving me such a well written, thought provoking point of view at looking at both sides of the coin. It is so refreshing to see someone I have never seen post come in and make me not pull my hair out for posting.
You see I basically know the views of my friends, and I was hoping for Adini fans or someone who I know nothing of their opinion come in and sweep me off my feet even if I don't share their view, and I thank you for making all this possible. Of course my friends are always welcome to post.

I too agree that the Cvs are playing God and that is where the problem lies with me. It bothers me even more that anyone would accept their interpretation of God's work without question, just blind approval for the sake of superficiality in what is perceived as a Jodi ordained by God.
Notwithstanding I did want someone, any one to give their perspective that could give some other angle to this debate and maybe I could also see some truth in another perspective.

Yes it could be perceived that they are breaking the tradition of Sardhakai, but more specifically with Sugni. This would have gone well with the theory of learning to creep before you can walk, hence Sugni making the first step of the change. At the same time, the questionable aspect is of the morality of the sequence of events to get to that point of the beginning of a change in the Bedni culture. If they mock the sacred institution of marriage by doing the traditional rituals of this, for the significance of Prostitution no matter the so called good Intentions of it, then going back and doing the real marriage, would this make it right from a moral stance? Are the cvs saying that God would make you do the same rituals of a marriage to signify the beginning of the life of a mistress, even if it is not in practice and then turn around and do the same rituals claiming the marriage is now pure? Are we sure we should accept this from the Cvs without thought or questions? Does this even make any sense on paper, put aside God and morality?
Wouldn't it have been more morally plausibly if Sugni did not have to perform the same rituals as a true wife, and was just a mere prostitute, then a man came along and made an honest woman out of her with a real marriage?
For the record my voice is always against Aditya. Even if he felt he was doing Sugni's Sardhakai for good intentions, it is obvious he is very naive and does not understand the seriousness of his actions, in spite of his Father's past life with a Bedni and how it ruined his family. He does not seem to understand that being an unmarried Thakur does not make your crime any less when you perform a woman's Sardhakai, because it is still a culture that is scorned as it is deemed to be immoral.

Yes, I can see where you are going with him making friends with the enemy, even though his intentions were mixed from point of view. He wanted to fulfill a promise to a Bedni, but by blocking the Bedni's daughter from breaking the so called marriage of his Uncle, and in the process he did an immoral act and continued the tradition from the other perspective (that of his Father leaving his Mother) by leaving Amrita to whom he was engaged, broke his should have been loyalty to his Uncle, slapped his Mother in the face with the repeat of history, played with an already emotionally unstable Sugni, who has secretly been building dreams of his so called Knightly actions, though unintentional. So, with all that said, are the Cvs saying that God would ruin so many lives to make a Jodi that started out the wrong way to begin with?

Yes, Sugni and Adi on the outset may not have any secrets or hostility that would prevent them from having a lasting loving relationship. However, how blessed can a relationship be that is built on the foundation of betrayal,misunderstandings, ungratefulness and disrespect.
I say betrayal of Adi to Amrita, Adi to Vikram, Sugni to Vikram by getting with his nephew in his face (even if she felt Vikram did her wrong, she is not right either), betrayal of Adi to Vikram with Gulabiya, joining forces with her without hearing out his Uncle. Misunderstandings where Vikram has never been able to explain before dismissal by Sugni, or Adi misunderstanding his intentions towards Sugni. How about the ungratefulness of Adi towards Vikram who has been like a Father to him, didn't he deserve a fair day in court? Ungratefulness of Sugni and her Mother towards Vikram and Amrita, for all they have done. Should a person do a million good and we hate and punish them so much for one bad without even a thought to say thank you for the million Good? Disrespect from Adi to Vikram with marrying Sugni, no matter his so called knightly reasons. Disrespect of Sugni, for staying in the house with Vikram before marriage and then turn around and stay in the same house with his nephew with intentions to marry in that very house, flaunting her new life in his face. She should have stayed some where else.
How can one build their home happily knowing they have done all this, no conscience or thought to what they have done, how Godly can their union be, if they lack the mere essentials of a conscience?

I too believe that Vikram should repent for what he did. I would not have a problem with a separation for sometime with reflection and let him see that even the most well meaning lie is still a lie and it is wrong. Even if they had broken up permanently, and I would still be hurt by the end of them, I cannot swallow or agree with the sequence of events that followed their break up.

Honestly, if Vikram had done Sugni's Sardhakai I would have been very disappointed in this because I know Vikram never saw Sugni in any other light but that of a Wife in its true sense, and it would have been not only a slap but a further display of the cvs disregard for the Sugvi fans who believe in his Knightly ways.😃
I would have been totally against it, but my outrage would not have been bad as the repulsive feeling I have towards a girl going with her ex fiancee's nephew and a nephew taking his Uncle's love knowingly in the name of an ordained by God Jodi.

At the end of the day it is my point of view, my perspective of morality or immorality and my perspective of God's will for us.
I had no problem with hearing conflicting view, no intention of bashing them, that is why I directed my post the way I did in the first place.
Thank you so much for understanding me.

Edited by hillydee - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: devraniharish



After Getting reply like below "who wanna give reply you on any thread . below is reason i stop write anything much related serial. enjoy your forums .you win we lost 🤢



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( devraniharish, It seems like your soul purpose for coming into this forum is to haress everyone. When everyone says 'A' you have to say 'Z' What hillydee says is right. I don't think you watch any of the episodes. You just enjoy getting on everyone's nerve. You like Adi-Sugni go ahead enjoy their company. Make some vms of them and flaunt them. Don't, just don't rain on Sugvi's parade. )

Dear that post was Only because you never give your perspective without making mocking comments. If you saw a recent thread directed towards Arvi_Fan then you would have understood that you got that post not because you are an Adini fan, but because the delivery of your point of view was not very engaging in a positive way, so it became a turn off for us. Arvi_Fan's perspective was of course very opposite to Sugvi Fans, but her delivery, and how respectful and well articulated her post was, so we had to commend her.

Sometimes we take to heart things, without looking into ourselves. Criticisms can be healthy if you are open to it. You could have looked at that post and said to yourself"Hmm, why would this person say this about me and others clicked the like button, could it be that I am taking a wrong approach to give my point of view?"

Just my Point of View
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Posted: 13 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: princessonline

I don't think god has anything to do with their relationship. That is what the CV's are trying to tell us. They are basically denoting that Adi and Sugni are meant to be together at the end. Secondly, no matter how the relationship starts if one falls in love with someone then that relationship is pure. Yes, Adi did do Sugni's Sardhaki but we all know he didn't do that because he wanted to have any physical relationship with her, he did her Sardhaki to save her from the other Thakhurs and his uncles wedding. So many people are against Sugni and telling her to go back to Vikram but has anyone though about how she feels? She loved the man dearly, trusted him like he was god, went against her mom and at the end she was lied to. Think about being in a relationship with someone, believing every single word that comes out of their mouth, and on your wedding day you find out that they cheated you by not telling you that their wife is alive, they have been creating misunderstanding with your mom, who by the way is the only other person in the world you call your own. I don't think that Sugni had to go out of her way and start doing Rai and get her Sardhaki done but she did and came back to the house. She was told by Adi that he has only done her Sardhaki because he wants to save his uncle and aunt's relationship and she must help him. She tries to do that and Vikram keeps on coming near her, tells her will fulfill all her dreams and then shoots his mom when he realizes he can't have Sugni. Now you tell me, why in the world would you want to go back to such a man. Yeah, he loves her but he lied to her, tried killing her mom(not once, he hurt her many times to keep his lie hidden from Sugni) and some people still want god to say this relationship is good or accepted by him? Relationships don't merely run on the basis of love. There are so many people that love each other but can not be together because they are just not meant to be. When you are with someone you need to trust that person, how is Sugni going to ever trust someone who lied to her about such an important fact? How would she feel safe with a man who is willing to kill anyone to get her? Be he it is nephew who he loved so dearly, Sugni's mom or his wife. I am not trying to offend any Vikram fans I am just stating my opinion because I see so many topics saying Sugni and Adi are wrong yet not many people believe Vikram is wrong.

Lastly, sorry for mentioning Vikram but he is the sole reason for why Adi and Sugni are together. All I can say is put yourself in Sugni's shoes and try to see will you be able to live with Vikram? Will you be happy with him after all that he has done? Sometimes it's best to leave relationships at a stage where they do not turn so sour that you hate the person for the life of you and maybe that is what Sugni is doing. Leaving Vikram at a stage where she has been betrayed by him but does not completely hate him. I am a Adi and Sugni fan because practically speaking, if I were in Sugni's place I would never go back to Vikram so I am not going to expect her to do so either. Lastly, this is just a show to entertains us. We can not become so serious about it because we are not the ones writing the scripts and nor is this a real story. Adi-Sugni fans and Vikram-Sugni fans fighting over what is right and what is wrong is really not going to get anyone anywhere. This is a fictional show which is created solely for the purpose of entertainment. We watch and we get entertained and that's it. We can not associate this to real life because I am sure this type of things are very unlikely to happen in the real world.

Sorry for the mistakes in the post. Writing on my phone so can't really go back to check what is wrong because the screen is so small and that would be a very tedious task.

Riya

Thanks for your perspective and I truly appreciated the length of it and the time you took to respond to my post in a very intelligent way.

I think everyone can admit that Sugni's hurt is very plausible. I would never take that from her. My outrage was her methods that followed and her rationalisation to right the wrong she felt was being done by Vikram, and I believe that is the main contention of the outcome of events. No one faults Sugni for her anger, even though I believe is she had not lacked Maturity, there could have been a more in depth conversation with Vikram in spite of her anger, after all she almost married the man, I think they both owed that to each other. They could have spoken about this and she could have taken any decision she wanted. Her allowing this dialogue with Vikram would have also been more in line with the very same things you speak of, her love for him, trusting completely and seeing him as God. However, her feelings becomes conflicting and her immaturity becomes apparent, when she says "She trusts him completely," but she never once tried to hear his perspective, don't you think that is strange?
Any female I know, when she finds out that her man did her wrong, her normal reaction is " How could you?" "Why did you lie to me?' and I think she would normally wait for the answer because when you are in love, especially the way Sugni claimed to be ( I never thought telling a man you see him like God was something light to say and forget in a moment😲) even when you see his betrayal, the love still makes you in disbelieve it and hope that there is some miraculously good reason for this.😆 Not throw back his ring, tell him a few choice words, and run out to round up a whole town of men and you pick the richest one to take you to a life of unlimited Prostitution.
Maybe my fault is to think that all those big claims made by Sugni had some strength in it for her to at least hear him out before making a decision and absolutely and definitely not hooking up with his nephew under the guise of saving his wife who you know nothing about. Then eventually deciding to make a real marriage out of it, especially in such a short time. She moved on quite quickly for a girl so hurt. I thought she would have left him and went somewhere else to lick her wounds not live in the same house with her culprit and taunt him with his nephew for your so called good intention. What makes Sugni feel it is her right to make a decision for a Grown man to stay with his wife with her Grand Plan. Isn't Vikram grown enough to know what he wants? If she did not want him anymore , all she had to do was walk away to another place.

For the record, Vikram did not intentionally try to kill Gulabiya with the gun, nor did he ever try to kill her at any point in time. Vikram is a Man, not a little boy, it is only natural he would stand up to Gulabiya from day one, if he wanted to be with Sugni.
The only people that came in between Sugni and Gulabiya in the beginning are themselves. If their bond was strong as they claimed it was, if Sugni was loyal to her Mother like she pretended, no man, no one could have come between them. Gulabiya forced Sugni to choose her over her ambitions. Sugni put her ambitions over her Mother. No one can make you do what you truly do not want to do, even if they put a gun to your head.

Entertainment is one thing, but entertainment showing mixed, confusing and values deemed to be immoral even if it is by one person, cannot be truly Entertainment, but then again, it is my perspective and right, to not be entertained by rubbish that is being mixed with real life issues. Is it that marriage and God are such trivial things that you don't mind the cvs distort it for the sake of your entertainment? Is it so wrong that others don't feel that way and just want to stand for something they believe is against what they believe is right?
So, if you don't see anything wrong with what the Cvs are portraying and you feel that myself and others are taking this "entertainment." so seriously, don't you think we have the same right to how we feel?
My post was merely for a perspective towards what I perceive to be wrong. So, I expect some or most to say my perspective is wrong and why and some or most to say my perspective is right and why. Or I would be willing to live with everyone saying I am wrong and why.
What I am not expecting if we are individuals and have the right to how we feel, is that I must accept this as entertainment and not take it too seriously.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: orianthi



Well I am not taking sides in the Adini vs Sugvi thing. But if she married TVS she would have been his mistress as well since his wife was alive. Therefore even after doing all the rituals associated with marriage, it would be meaningless. Either way she is a mistress. But with Adi she would be the mistress of a single guy as opposed to being the mistress of a married man as is the case with TVS. So it is not so weird that God approved Adini in the show because they are both single. He had no wife , she had no hubby. And in my view the sardakhai ritual is not of God and is a man made thing, so to me it holds no significance whatsoever. In addition we MUST take into consideration why Adi did it.. TO SAVE HER. If TVS did the sardakhai I am sure we'd all have been glad.. I am just saying... Again, i am not disagreeing with u or supporting Adini, i am just interpreting what i have seen from the CVs. 😊

Thanks for responding to my post.😃
However, for the record I never wanted Sugni to marry any married man. I wanted Vikram to get a divorce first, I am just mad at how the story change as the cvs pulled the rug from underneath my happy and relaxed legs watching the nice show it used to be. I am just mad at Sugni's reactions to Vikram lying, they were totally uncalled for and downright wrong in my estimation.
I don't think any Sugvi Fans wanted Vikram to marry Sugni while still married because that would be in conflict to the sweetheart of a Man we came to love. We just never wanted them to break up and wanted things to work out our way, and if it didn't at least show Sugni with some dignity, respect for herself and the love she once had for Vikram, even if she felt Vikram was the man from hell.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: martalinda

I didn't know what to say because I'm not familiar with Indian culture. I'm afraid i might offend some people with my comments so I chose to keep quiet.Hope you understand.

Not everyone is either, my post said from the perspective of any God you serve. You should have an idea of what may seem wrong or right to you, so I just wanted that view. Don't feel like you would offend it is the insults to other members or mocking that would be deemed as offending anyone. 😃

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