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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


I don't think it's that straightforward, actually. The PH is a company so it probably has many investors who provide the money to start the show and run it. Also, the channel is technically paying for the promotions since promos eat into ad time. The longer BD runs without making back the initial investment of the investors and the channel, the more losses everyone is incurring because it's not like the costs stop with the construction of the set. They have to shoot the show every day, and pay the cast, crew and maintenance people. So they are basically running at a loss and the amount that needs to be recovered is increasing with every new episode.

It's like in cricket, when you are chasing a total, you have to build a good run rate right away or else the required run rate goes higher and higher until it becomes impossible to attain. If the total you are chasing is just 200 runs, it's okay to have a run rate of 3 per over for longer (why it's okay for other shows to have lower TRPs), but not if you are chasing 300+ runs. BD was such a huge starting investment, elaborate sets, custom sound-track etc, that the stakes were really high. If the channel were in a better position and not so desperate for revenue, it might have been possible to cut down the budget from the production side to buy the show a little more time (though probably without promos as the channel would not be willing to invest until it brought in revenues), as I believe they did with SC. But since the channel is in no position to absorb/offset losses, the show is forced to end prematurely.


I guess the question is -- is the daily operating cost for BD higher than something like TSM or MAM? If you forfeit the game completely -- you've lost the original investment permanently. I guess the question is whether they are breaking even at all on this project but I'd find it hard to believe that the daily costs are much higher than any other show.

A new show means a whole other new investment... plus its still a gamble.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas


I guess the question is -- is the daily operating cost for BD higher than something like TSM or MAM? If you forfeit the game completely -- you've lost the original investment permanently. I guess the question is whether they are breaking even at all on this project but I'd find it hard to believe that the daily costs are much higher than any other show.

A new show means a whole other new investment... plus its still a gamble.


Even if the daily costs were the same as these other shows (which I have my doubts about, given the quality of cinematography), the point is that the initial investment makes the sum total they are trying to recover and surpass that much bigger. So it's much much easier for a show to break even if the initial investment is lower. You can either continue to run it at a loss in the hope that it will one day start earning, but in the process, what the show has to achieve to be profitable becomes more and more unattainable because the costs keep piling on. That's why sometimes its better to cut your losses. Yes, you do lose the initial investment but at a point when it seems unlikely that you will ever recover it, let alone make a profit, it can be better to stop putting more money into it. In this case, it is more about curtailing losses rather than trying for profit, when profit becomes unlikely.

A whole new show is always gamble, but then there are was to mitigate the risk factor. Ekta, even if not the queen of content is the queen of TRPs and generally knows how to pull a crowd. Even though the show might not exactly be something new and fresh, that is not really SP's number one priority right now, given the channel's relatively poor performance. They need a hit and they need it fast so they are bringing the expert! 😕
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


Even if the daily costs were the same as these other shows (which I have my doubts about, given the quality of cinematography), the point is that the initial investment makes the sum total they are trying to recover and surpass that much bigger. So it's much much easier for a show to break even if the initial investment is lower. You can either continue to run it at a loss in the hope that it will one day start earning, but in the process, what the show has to achieve to be profitable becomes more and more unattainable because the costs keep piling on. That's why sometimes its better to cut your losses. Yes, you do lose the initial investment but at a point when it seems unlikely that you will ever recover it, let alone make a profit, it can be better to stop putting more money into it. In this case, it is more about curtailing losses rather than trying for profit, when profit becomes unlikely.

A whole new show is always gamble, but then there are was to mitigate the risk factor. Ekta, even if not the queen of content is the queen of TRPs and generally knows how to pull a crowd. Even though the show might not exactly be something new and fresh, that is not really SP's number one priority right now, given the channel's relatively poor performance. They need a hit and they need it fast so they are bringing the expert! 😕


But if you've lost the initial investment in either case (scapping the show or letting it go on with mediocre trp).. what difference does the original investment make? Looking at it from a purely financial standpoint, the only thing that makes a difference at this point would be the ongoing costs vs what its bringing in. And comparing that to the idea of what another show could potentially bring in.

I just think these guys have been looking for another smash hit for a while and its way more than just a numbers thing. That's why they cut EHT short even though the numbers weren't that bad. Even the numbers of Nauc were pretty decent-- they were getting well above 2 Trps.

I am not complaining if the channel is looking for something specific. My real issue here is that they barely gave it time to see if it could become that. Even when YHM started it wasn't a smash hit in the first 2 months.

Bringing in the current reigning expert is fine-- given the success of YHM, KKB, MATSH. But the funny thing you mentioned... the golden era of hindi tv 2011-12. With the exception of PR, none of those shows were EK.😆 Everyone goes through boom and bust cycles.😆


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@mallika SPs hands are burned now and I agree to Saman. In this burned position SP cant run big budget shows that doesn't bring numbers. If they stop the show maybe they can still recover the cost. Let me say how. They have hotstar and if you look ads are there in hotstar epi. And BD is doing good online. Even if it ends its loyal fans will go and continue watching it online. SP will get money without the need to spend anything additional. So at this point from ROI point of view it is better to end the show than keep running it
@Saman the shows you mentioned EHMMBH, DABH and IPKKND were different, but they had the saas-bahu element in them. There were relations within the family. EHMMBH had beautiful relation of 2 sisters and bahu-saas everything was there. DABH though it was love story characterization of Bhabo and Meena ensured the TRP quotient, IPKKND I have not watched but even in it Khushi was the quintessential bahu. As you rightly said SC was salvaged the right way by bringing TRP ingredients by Sphere origins without actually completely butchering it. Saras and Kumud had some dignity left in the end. But shows like EHT, DYM, BD and all SP went too far in their experimentation. They took away the TRP aunty quotient. EHT was bought back as marriage was need of the story in EHT. But DYM, BD etc don't need such things from story perspective. And Indian audience is not yet ready for such things. Change should have been given slowly. Not suddenly the way SP did with nayi soch. Now this blunder has made them go back to all regressive soch once again
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas

But if you've lost the initial investment in either case (scapping the show or letting it go on with mediocre trp).. what difference does the original investment make? Looking at it from a purely financial standpoint, the only thing that makes a difference at this point would be the ongoing costs vs what its bringing in. And comparing that to the idea of what another show could potentially bring in.

I just think these guys have been looking for another smash hit for a while and its way more than just a numbers thing. That's why they cut EHT short even though the numbers weren't that bad. Even the numbers of Nauc were pretty decent-- they were getting well above 2 Trps.

I am not complaining if the channel is looking for something specific. My real issue here is that they barely gave it time to see if it could become that. Even when YHM started it wasn't a smash hit in the first 2 months.

Bringing in the current reigning expert is fine-- given the success of YHM, KKB, MATSH. But the funny thing you mentioned... the golden era of hindi tv 2011-12. With the exception of PR, none of those shows were EK.😆 Everyone goes through boom and bust cycles.😆


I don't know how the original cost could cease to factor in from a "purely financial standpoint." You have to make that up to break even in the first place, and can't just dismiss it as "lost." Only once you make up the original cost is the equation solely about the daily running of the show vs. its output. Just think about it as a table with cost on one side and revenue on the other... There is already a huge number on the cost side which the revenue fails to balance. The cost continues to increase with the daily running of the show, while revenue does not keep up. Only when the difference between the two sides is zero do you break even, whereas here it is likely that the gap is increasing in favor of cost. So before that difference increases too much, you cut your losses.

For another show, you might invest less and the revenue column might overtake the cost column faster, which is what they are bargaining for with Ekta, and what she does deliver most of the time.

YHM was at the 11pm time slot when it started so I am sure they were more chilled out about lower numbers. That was a brand new slot that no channel had ever used before and YHM made its place there. When the channel saw how well it was doing even at an inconvenient time slot, they gave it an evening slot and it's gone on to be the number 1 show. But it is true that YHM was lucky not to have the pressure of a prime time slot immediately.

As much as I would love to identify a slump in Ekta's career, 😆 I have to disagree with your last point. 2011-2012 was the time BALH was going full-swing, Parichay was doing really well on Colors and Pavitra Rishta survived the change on Zee because it had indisputable numbers; it was usually the channel leader, in fact. The only difference was that Ekta was still at war with SP then so they didn't have any of her shows, but that wasn't exactly standing between her and the success of her hop-skip-leaps on other channels... 🤔
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@saman you love her , you hate her but you cant ignore her. That's Ekta. One thing I have to give to this lady. She just knows the audience pulse, or rather what will sell. If you look at all her shows she creates an intial audience with the right ingredients. All her shows are good for first 6 months after that it will detoriate. But she knows Indian audience and their habits. Once watching a soap they will keep on watching it , irrespective of rubbish shown.
Also if you look she created saas bahu sagas in the past, now she is creating love stories. Of course in saas bahu format but all of them are essentially love stories. Because she has understood that is the flavor of the season. SPs biggest hits in last 3 years were love stories IPKKND, DABH, SC, EHMMBH, YHM, IPPKKND season 2 and even EHT had a beautiful love story in its midst. So she is now looking into that theme her way.
You need to sell love stories the way audience want it and Ekta knows exactly that.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Saman the shows you mentioned EHMMBH, DABH and IPKKND were different, but they had the saas-bahu element in them. There were relations within the family. EHMMBH had beautiful relation of 2 sisters and bahu-saas everything was there. DABH though it was love story characterization of Bhabo and Meena ensured the TRP quotient, IPKKND I have not watched but even in it Khushi was the quintessential bahu. As you rightly said SC was salvaged the right way by bringing TRP ingredients by Sphere origins without actually completely butchering it. Saras and Kumud had some dignity left in the end. But shows like EHT, DYM, BD and all SP went too far in their experimentation. They took away the TRP aunty quotient. EHT was bought back as marriage was need of the story in EHT. But DYM, BD etc don't need such things from story perspective. And Indian audience is not yet ready for such things. Change should have been given slowly. Not suddenly the way SP did with nayi soch. Now this blunder has made them go back to all regressive soch once again


Oh, I completely agree that the shows I mentioned had a definite emphasis on family, otherwise they would not have worked. I remember hearing an interview of Gul Khan at the time who said they had to shift the story of IPK from office to house so they could get the numbers. But what I was trying to say was that they were also youth oriented shows, as evidenced by IPK and EHM's success on IF as well as in rankings. The point I am trying to make is that I think we use the wrong words to make the distinction between the two kinds of shows we are talking about, that is, those that appeal to the TRP audiences and those which appeal to the niche audiences.

We usually say saas-bahu vs. youth-oriented but the truth, as shown by the above shows is that youth-oriented shows can also click with the audience, as long as they are written very literally. I think it is more accurate to make the distinction between shows which are very literal and just tell you everything obviously and those in which you have to use your mind in order to understand the nuances of the show. See, youth-oriented love stories show the two leads being in love with all kinds of romance and cliches... audience doesn't really need to deal with complex motivations or emotions. It's the same with saas-bahu dramas, though the subject matter is a bit different.

On the other hand, the second group of shows you mentioned required that extra participation by the audience in understanding the characters. People like us obviously come to discuss because we like this process, but most viewers don't; they want to be told directly what is happening and what is going to happen. If a woman feels sad, she should cry, if a man feels angry, he should break something. if an elder feels disrespected they should shout. It's all explicit. These are the shows that really work for the masses, just as OTT films used to work in the 80s and 90s. EDIT: Ekta identifies this about the Indian audience which is her trump card. No matter what the concept, she knows the right way of telling the story that people will get hooked, and that is where the difference lies.

What is interesting is that SP used to be good at choosing shows that toed this line, where they could both claim nay such and satisfy the mainstream audience. I guess there must have been some new channel head or something who thought a little more ambitiously without taking reality into consideration when choosing shows.
Edited by Samanalyse - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Exactly Saman. Masses cant sit and relate. Shows like BD has past that is linked to present. They don't have time for that. The story has to flow for them. I mean no need to analyze why a character does that or this.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shruthi

U said na the upcoming show's story"devar Bhabhi pati khichdi"

🤣🤣🤣 all are saying it's"darmiyaan's concept"🤣🤣🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Really fero 🤣🤣🤣. No wonder BD is at the receiving end

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