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Posted: 12 years ago
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Janhvi dearest,

You NEVER fail me! What a blessing it would be if even 10% of the posts in this forum had your irreverent, tongue in cheek quality! I do not mind how much you differ from me provided you write as well as you always do, not even if you grab the PAP presidency once again!!

One point: I do not remember Purvi ever praying for Onir, even in Kolkatta, only for her baby. Not that he would care even if he knew. He is enslaved for life, poor fool. Ah well, he is a grown man, after all, and he can make his own bed (the Ramu kaka style chatai on the floor at the foot of his wife's bed, forsooth) AND lie on it. But as far as explanations go, yours @blue gets distinction marks. Very clever, my dear girl!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, I wrote a response and IF swallowed it :(
Had to stop and chuckle many a time as I read through your post! My estranged ladli being called a Circe! The picture of Onir trumping the mahaanta queens and trouncing off to Kolkatta in a fit of righteous martyrdom! The floorboards! The quick disclaimer about the linens! Thank you for the laughs!

Telling point, why didn't Purvi pray for Onir? She did at Kolkatta and seemed lighter of spirit and happier there. She does cast him properly admiring looks once in a while. Would that not suffice in place of a prayer to bappa? Could it be that she considers Onir akin to God because of the perpetual resplendent halo around his charming head and therefore does not see the need to pray for his well being?

Hai, suppositions and theories!! One could move to QH but that too will surely speed headlong onto the road towards disaster as is PV and all other daily soaps. Better a known devil than an unknown angel ;)

And no, I have not read your other post, will read it now, I am sure it will a treat to relish!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Varsha,

To poach on your talent for acronyms, GMTA!! There, was that not clever of me?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Dabulls23


Dear SHyamala
@ underlined I thought of the same..She is praying for Arjun-Ovi's life but has no consideration for the husband who is supporting , lying for her kartoot..SHe does not care 2 hoots abt Onir...She is being selfish in this marriage...She has taken from all and in return given problems in people's lives..😳
@ bold
I wrote this yesterday in KC...GMTA She made it as if it was Onir who had this problem of getting prego b4 marriage and not her..



Originally posted by: Shyamala

But this is NOT what I have against her. It is rather that Purvi takes and takes and takes, but she gives nothing. Yesterday, she does not even pray for the wellbeing of the man who has stood and stands by her like a rock, without the least thought of any reward. Why does she not have a wish for Onir as well when she prays for Arjun and Ovi? Does he not deserve even that? And it is not as though there is a limit on the number if wishes she can make!

She does not pray for Onir because she cares nothing for him except as an escape route and a protector. All that talk and the doe eyes that she makes at him are all hogwash. It was her failure to pray for him to Bappa that revealed her real feelings towards him.

She asks Onir whether he wants the truth about her baby to be revealed, as if he had created the problem in the first place, and it was not due to the sudden slippage of her sanskaars, and that too in a dirty, wet shack,ugh..


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Abhi, my darling girl,

WHAT a relief to see someone besides yours truly standing up for Onir! 👏👏👏

Apart from agreeing 100% and more with all that you have said here, I would like to point out that the DNA-is-King tribe would never be able to answer why Yashoda is always considered the true maiyya of Lord Krishna, not his blood mother Devaki. Our traditions have it that the one who brings the child up has more of a right to it than the biological parent. Of course no one will take up this point, since they can see only what they want to see.

As for the wishful thinking about Onir turning negative, it is a non-starter, Abhi. Not because the CVs cannot do it if they wanted to, but because Onir is patterned after an existing Balaji prototype. Do take a look at what I have written to Janhvi above, including the point about the 'burden of gratitude; which it seems has to be felt by Purvi only towards Archana, not towards Onir.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: arjunaluis


Yes she is and i like that she is allowing Onir to take care of her...I am hoping that Onir stays positive...If the Cv's want Arvi reunion so be it but dont make him negative i dont think my heart can take it...He has done nothing wrong except love her and her unborn child and also Jhanvi, i agree that Arjun has a right to know it is child but Onir to me also has a right on that child...he has been the one taking care of her/he by taking care of the baby's mother...he has already love the child doesnt he has a right on that child to...I am sorry but i dont agree that DNA only gives someone the right to love a child...the one who takes care of that child has a right too if not more...

Also Jhanvi di...Arjun is already the father of Ovi's baby..how is he going to explain to both of his children on how he got two sister's pregnant...to Purvi's baby...i did it for your mum...i love her so much that i let her go after sleeping with her...at a time where i was suppose to help her by telling her how can i sleep with you then marry your sister...i just said ok...if i was Purvi's baby i would be outraged...i would never accept him as my father...and to Ovi's baby what would he say...i did it for your aunty...pity that child...he/she would be tortured by the very thought of what both parents did...Ovi's baby to me is the one i feel for most...my mum was drinking while carrying me and my aunty had to blackmail her husband to come and save me...all this while my cousin is not my cousin but my half brother/sister...seriously...Purvi's baby should just stay with Onir and her and Ovi's baby should be with her parents...and neither baby should ever find the truth cause it will be a torture to them...if the three grown ups really love their children...they will forget their past and move on with life...I didnt include Onir because right now i know he will not wrong either one of the child...he will bring up Purvi's child as his own and save Ovi's child...



Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Abi, I don't think Onir will ask Arjun for treatment fees and Purvi is not the sort to let him charge her darling sister for professional services. More likely the strong (foolhardy) girl who prides herself on taking care of business with no one's help will go about procuring that money by herself.

Shalini's post hints that this is exactly what will happen. I missed that diamond necklace bit on the SBS.

Aside: the strong girl is showing signs of depending on Onir. Never in her life has she ever relied on another person but for the first time, she is letting Onir do the worrying and planning for her (baby delivery). Does this portend that their marriage is going to be for keeps and that she is falling for her husband? OR is it the calm before the storm to show her totally dependent on him only to pull the rug from under her feet when (if) Onir turns negative?




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Double post removed.

Shyamala B.Cowsik
Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Janhvi, Abhi,

I do not at all agree with @ red, Janhvi. Just try and imagine that you were Purvi's kid and how all this would feel to you. You would very likely end up hating both your biological parents.How on earth can you explain all this stuff to a kid? At what age? And how do you think the other kid would react? He/she would HATE Purvi's kid, his father, and Purvi. That is for sure. This is the kind of revelation that breaks up even very solid families.

And Janhvi, surely you do not mean what you say:This will not deprive Onir of any of his rights, he will be the child's father still, sharing in its daily upbringing and the bond between him and the child should not be hurt because of the hovering presence of the biological dad. Do you mean 'would not be affected" or 'should not be affected'?

In either case, I cannot believer that you are serious. Think again of what if you were in Onir's position, but with everything now out in the open, and 'his' child now knowing that he is not the kid's father at all. Would that child's relationship with Onir not be badly affected at once? He/she would very likely make a beeline for the Kirloskar household and demand to be told why all this happened. And what about the reaction of society to this 'broad-minded'' arrangement? Even in a true blue American TV serial, such a revelation is never shown as playing out as smoothly as you seem to think it could. And this, Janhvi, is India. He/she would be forever labelled naajayaz.This label sticks.

There are some truths that are best left hidden. If Arjun is to know that Purvi's child is his and vice versa, all the negative consequences that Abhi has outlined are sure to follow, unless Arjun and Purvi free themselves from their current spouses and get married to each other.

Abhi, I agree with you re: @blue, unless, as I noted above, Arjun and Purvi have a grand punarmilan after disposing of all the kabab me haddis. I had suggested a feasible scenario for achieving this on the Which is more Important thread, and I hereby make a present of it to the CVs.

If things are to continue as they are, I would NEVER advise burdening a child with this ugly fact of his life. Life will, slowly but surely, become pure unadulterated hell for all 6- the 4 adults and the 2 kids. I can think of no positive that Purvi's child will get from knowing that Arjun is his/her father that can compensate for the negatives, unless it is a share in the Kirloskar fortune!

Shyamala (Aunty)

Originally posted by: arjunaluis



Yes, even i agree Arjun deserves to know the truth...he is the father and deserves to spent time with the child but it is just too weird all of them leaving so close to each other Arjun with Ovi and her child and then he comes and gives eye locks with Purvi and her child...How would Onir feel than...how would the child feel...and truth be told they live in india imagine what words the children would here about the parents...the neighbours would know the truth...how they will be bullied...so, Janhvi di even if the children are not told the truth the will find out about it...why even manju would make fun daily...and would savita keep quiet? Ovi is her beloved grandchild...how can she accept this? how coming from an old age culture...and Ovi...would Ovi quietly watch Arjun going to visit his former and still lover to visit his child...She will defintely poison her child's mind on her/his father...and then there is Arjun after knowing the truth can he honestly love both of children the same...even parents tend to have favourites...Arjun wont be different and with his undying love for Purvi, he to me would love Purvi and his child more than his child with Ovi...the children like it or not when the truths come out will have to pay the price...and it will be bad cause they do not need to pay the price for their parents mistake..

.i remain with my opinion that Purvi and Onir should take the child and live far away without Arjun...cause this child will be fine but Ovi's baby will live to hate her father because Ovi will damage the child mentally and maybe even physically...and the child needs his/her father more than Purvi's baby does...



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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1


Abi, no doubt Onir would make an excellent father to Purvi's baby (if his character remains the same).

Playing devil's advocate, while it may be prudent to keep the truth from Arjun and the rest of the family, Arjun is still owed the truth of knowing the baby is his. Yes, it will create a lot of ugliness between Ovi and him, between Ovi and Purvi, maybe even between Purvi and Arjun but the bond of parent and child is special and I don't think any child should be deprived of knowing the truth behind his/her birth however painful it is. The truth will be nasty, the kids will share the same father (if the track is true), born to two sisters and they will be cousins and half siblings. But Arjun has a right to know that the child is his and the child ultimately has a right to know who its father is. This will not deprive Onir of any of his rights, he will be the child's father still, sharing in its daily upbringing and the bond between him and the child should not be hurt because of the hovering presence of the biological dad. If Purvi had decided not to keep the baby, she would have owed Arjun nothing as he was already married by the time she discovered she was pregnant. But knowing she is bringing his child into the world, Arjun does need to be told. My two cents.

And the children need not be told all the sordid details of how or why Arjun got Ovi pregnant (that is for us viewers to know and rue and debate). All the children would need to know is Purvi was engaged to be married to their dad and got pregnant but as Ovi loved him too, Purvi stepped aside and Arjun and Ovi married and had the other child.




Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: strega

And to add to it, she has NOT ONCE acknowledged that Purvi loved Arjun. She has consistently claimed that Purvi "trapped" Arjun. Delusional as well.


n its not that ovi is nice as so she opens up of what she does...

come on if any one murders n says i have killed a person will u pat him for telling it frankly??

ovi only wants to listen n believe as to what she really want...in sense she always thought bad about purvi so she believed what punni told her about purvi...
never she listened to archana,arjun ,manav,teju or any one...she does n believes according to her preference only!!

My POV only!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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enough of this..
they better get Purvi's pregnancy truth out soon...so much dragging
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiamondLife

enough of this..

they better get Purvi's pregnancy truth out soon...so much dragging


yeah, that is true.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Abhi, my darling girl,

WHAT a relief to see someone besides yours truly standing up for Onir! 👏👏👏

Apart from agreeing 100% and more with all that you have said here, I would like to point out that the DNA-is-King tribe would never be able to answer why Yashoda is always considered the true maiyya of Lord Krishna, not his blood mother Devaki. Our traditions have it that the one who brings the child up has more of a right to it than the biological parent. Of course no one will take up this point, since they can see only what they want to see.

As for the wishful thinking about Onir turning negative, it is a non-starter, Abhi. Not because the CVs cannot do it if they wanted to, but because Onir is patterned after an existing Balaji prototype. Do take a look at what I have written to Janhvi above, including the point about the 'burden of gratitude; which it seems has to be felt by Purvi only towards Archana, not towards Onir.

Shyamala Aunty



Aunty Ji...How are you? Thank you 😃 ...Like you even i cant see anything good coming from the children knowing the truth...It will destroy them, because if i was in their shoes i will hate my parents...especially if i am Purvi-Arjun child...if i was Ovi-Arjun child i have no words what to say on how i will feel...it is too much...my dad forced to marry my mother...my mother blackmailed my aunty for my grandmother...my mother NEVER wanted me...she drank like a fish while carrying me...my mum still drinking and making hate my father, my aunty/uncle and my half brother/sister...my dad going to see that child while hoping he had married my aunty...my dad looking at me thinking why am i not his child with my aunty...Honestly any child in this situation will go crazy...i know i will...so if they loved their children they will forget their feelings and move on with their live...We have the right to destroy our life (that is what arjun-purvi-ovi have done) but we do not have any rights to destroy others life especially not our children's...we brought them to this world and we should carry out our resposibilty in taking care of our children and not burdening with the mistakes of our past...

Coming to your other point i agree aunty ji...Arjun should either leave Ovi or he should leave Purvi...because if i was arjun-ovi's kid i rather live with my mother than live with my parents while my dad goes and sees his other kid while still in love with my aunty and looks pain stricken...i rather have my mum take me away from all this mess and live in canada and never have to see the other side of the family and be reminded of what should/could be...if my dad wants he can come see me...

When the truth is out it is time for Arjun to man up and do the right thing...yes the girls are also wrong...but they are not the father of two kids from two sisters...he has slept with both it is time for him to take up the responsibility...and when i mean responsibility not on the children but on the mother's...it is time to choose and for crying out loud choose and remain only with that person...and far far away from the other...

Aunty Ji...love the Devaki point...😃
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Janhvi my dear,

Et Tu?? It is such a convenient and wishful thing to imagine, Onir turning negative, but my dear heart, it is not going to happen. Onir is a near carbon copy of Rajat Kapur in Ekta's Bade Achche Lagte Hain - a preux chevalier sans peur and sans reproche. The only difference is that Rajat is not even nominally married to the main female lead, Priya. He is, and I am sure Onir will continue to be, the epitome of undemanding love and caring, putting the loved one's desires before his own, every time. Sydney Carton to the life, except that I hope neither of them is called upon to sacrifice his life as well, as Dickens made his hero do in A Tale of Two Cities.

I am amused to see that the Purvi-phile in you has overcome the shock and distaste of finding out about the fling on the floorboards, and you are once more edging towards the presidency of the PAP. This time, however, there will be a zillion contenders for that honour, most far more 'committed' than you could ever become.

But do explain to me why she does not spare a single thought for Onir when she was praying to Bappa yesterday. I am curious to see what you make of if, and how well you manage to extract her from the charge of rank ingratitude, which, after all, is the blackest of sins.

It is also revealing that while the hordes of Purvi-philes always trot out the 'burden of gratitude' to her adoptive mother as a satisfactory explanation for the rightness of her ditching Arjun, no such requirement of gratitude from Purvi toward Onir is ever mentioned even in passing. His tremendous support for her, crucial at a time when the alternative for her was public disgrace, apparently does not call for any corresponding 'burden of gratitude' towards him. He can be summarily dismissed with the comment that he married her knowing about her past, and so he can lump it if she drops him for Arjun now, just as she dropped Arjun for Archana on that hilltop.

As for her dependence on Onir (what else can she do, anyway, having been fool enough to land in Mumbai, with her delivery due 6 weeks before Ovi's? ) being "the calm before the storm to show her totally dependent on him
only to pull the rug from under her feet when (if) Onir turns negative? ", you badly underestimate your heroine, Janhvi. She is the accredited rug pulling specialist, and she is not about to surrender that title to anyone else, least of all to a tame poodle of a husband (at least legally, till wifey dear changes her mind and takes off) like Onir.

Well, well, If Purvi can get back into your good graces so soon, after the way you reacted to the Grand Revelation ( I felt the same, but then I still feel that way), anything can happen. It probably will.Get ready for the grand Arjun-Purvi punarmilan. They are not the official second leads for nothing!

Shyamala




Dear, dear Shyamala, I am glad you read my other post and realized I was being facetious. No, I do not WANT Onir to turn negative, I was trying to second guess the CVs, it would after all be the easiest way to get rid of the "thorns" or "haddis" as you call them, run Onir over by a bus as you suggest or make him evil. I was merely wondering if our beloved CVs were setting the stage for that to make their dear Purvi's fall even more dramatic and effective. Shamed by all, spurned by society, scorned by family and betrayed by her husband, it would warm the cockles of some hearts and make Arjun's heart bleed.

As for the Presidentship of PAP, I have admitted old habits die hard but being sorely disillusioned by Arjun, Purvi & Ovi (notice how I hate to put Ovi's name next to Arjun's? ;) I do not want Ovi emerging the winner in this game of charades) I would hate to champion any of their causes.

As to Purvi's sense of gratitude or ingratitude, I had written much earlier that her chirpy attitude (in Kolkatta) sat rather oddly on her newly "rescued condition". In Mumbai, she seems a lot more subdued and does cast those properly admiring if not openly doting looks at her husband. No cohesiveness in character development - just as they showed Onir freely touching his Mishti & even sleeping on the same bed in Kolkatta; now the poor guy is exhibiting hitherto fore unexpressed inhibitions.

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