Today's epi - a rambling take - Page 7

Originally posted by: bee5

Agree with you Shyamala. Truth is liberating and him being father of her baby has to know does not apply here. It will just do no good.

There is no denying he is the father and everyone has the right to know the truth about their baby, but here the equations are complex.

The moment Arjun comes to know the truth, he will want to meet the child. Lets for a second forget what Onir would feel if Arjun keeps visiting the child or how he'd feel knowing the loyalties of the child. Lets just think what happens to Arjun -

He will definitely want to meet his child.

Has to keep that information and that he is meeting the child out from Ovi bcos he and we all know what is that going to do to Ovi.

That only means he has to do all this behind Ovi's back.

It only makes Arjun keep secrets from his wife and not be completely honest. He will always have that guilt conscious.
Plus such things happening behind her back would 1 day blow up and would hurt Ovi even more bcos she would consider it a "double-crime".

For that, it is better Arjun is not aware of this secret.
If coming to Mumbai put her in such complex situations, it was better she stayed put in Kolkotta and not tried to once again forge relationship with her family. She doesn't always had to be this 'helping' person. Her parents came asking for her help, but she could have denied it and taken the tag of 'unhelpful' rather than put the family's several relationships at stake. There was a reason why she left Mumbai and she should have continued to be away keeping that reason in mind. She cannot think - i'll somehow manage. Now we are seeing how nicely she is managing ...

Originally posted by: strega

Bee,

I firmly believe there is no point in this truth coming out. Just as there was not any in Purvi coming to Mumbai. But we have to admit that the story would have stagnated if they had not brought Purvi to Mumbai. That said, the plot used to bring her could have been better.

Again, the truth is going to come out. How else will a daily soap run? When is the question.

For the story to be interesting and to prolong the suspense - the truth should not come out now. The babies should be born. Onir and Purvi return to Kolkatta - then there should be a 3/4 year leap and THEN the plot develops...

Originally posted by: bee5

Strega,
Your post is exactly like how i used to write earlier, from plot development prespective. But then i found myself alone, so i changed to talk in a way everyone else does here.

But what makes me glad is that you are also in that small bunch of people who think her baby truth will do no good for the family.

I remember, you, i and a very few others tried to understand and explain at great length why she had to come to mumbai. If u remember we were not knowing the complete truth then or how is her relationship with Onir formed. All those details were not revealed to us. Now that we know most of the back-details and when we analyze the source for the most recent wrong (the dealings with the kidnapper) can be traced back to her coming to Mumbai.

We didnot know all that had happened with her, but she knew, so she should have been a better person in deciding what is right and what is wrong and how it can hit their family if even a small thing went wrong. She is now dealing with her tummy size, her pregnancy term, location/reason for her delivery before Ovi's, this kidnappner and most importantly her feelings towards Arjun. When so many things were involved, then she should've taken the tag of a bad-daughter who did not help the family at the time of their need, than get into so many mess. But yes, if they didnot bring her to mumbai from kolkotta and creared all these mess, how else would the viewer be interested come back to watch the next episode with the thought "oh what will happen next?"

So, yes, we do understand what the writers are doing, we are just analyzing what they are doing.
Whether Ovi does bad, Ovi does good, Arjun does bad or Arjun does good, Purvi does good or Purvi does bad, so on and so forth,we should know it is all how the writers are making them do what they are doing. I laugh when i read comments like "Arjun is good, CVs are bad". How is that possible? The truth is Arjun is being good, bcos CVs are making him good, not bcos he is good by himself. Making a character good or bad or make them do mistakes or do right/good deeds are all bcos that serves the plot development for that moment.

So, lets see how the writers resolve mess and add some more mess, bcos they have to keep the show on air...

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Bee, I remember trying to make sense out of her coming to Mumbai.

As Strega says the story had to move forward, hence the piling of guilt upon Purvi, she sees Arjun unhappy, she sees Ovi trying to destroy the baby, Archana and Manav plead with her to get Onir to Mumbai, Purvi had no choice then except to come to Mumbai. Her own plight and her lie about the pregnancy had to take a back seat. She was feeling responsible for Arjun's plight (rightly so - her monologue), she wanted to give him back a reason for living, his (Ovi's) baby and help him try to mend his relationship with Ovi.

Well, while all Purvi's reasons may be justified, I still think the way she left Kolkata (after knowing hers and Onir's truth now) was not kosher at all. After all that Onir did for her, upping and leaving like that was not nice to say the least. But then recall her monologue again getting off the train, she is certain her relationship with Onir will be able to weather this storm. Plus, she had no way of knowing that a kidnapper would be skulking in the shadows.

Originally posted by: strega

Janhvi and Bee,

That's why I say while I understand why the whole scene had to move to Mumbai, I am unhappy with the wafer-thin excuse the writers gave us. I can still justify her actions but h-er actions make her so shortsighted - The smart Purvi, the girl with brains has been lost. That girl would have foreseen much of what is happening. And you are right, we did not know it was Arjun's baby - she did. And if the writers were consistent with her character, they would not have chosen this route.

They could have got us to the same place with a more plausible plot. They could have showed Purvi convincing Onir to come to Mumbai and then have Archana or Sulo force her to come to Mumbai because she is alone in Kolkatta. Even that would have worked for me. Or even better would have been them finding Dr Dutta and his starting Ovi's treatment in mumbai. Then, Onir forcing Purvi to come to stay in Mumbai because he would not leave his Mishti alone. And neither could he leave his patient. Purvi would come reluctantly because she has not told him about her Mumbai connections. We could have had Purvi-Archana hide and seek for a while. The options were endless.

And much as I am irritated with the character, I will continue to have a soft spot for Purvi - may be the dormant brain cells will start functioning again soon 😆

PS: One can depend on Americans to produce these remarkable marital permutations, but your example No.2 reminded me of nothing so much as that old soap Dynasty, where everyone was getting remarried in a round robin fashion to the next one's former spouse. I used to wonder why none of them seemed to look outside their closed circle for their next try at matrimony!

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, loved your reference to Yashoda and totally agree with that. But, I would like to offer in the truth vs not all the truth argument (since you cite the Gita), Karna's truth. Kunti kept it hidden and see where it led. Yes, I know of many an adopted person/child, most instances where the birth parent is still in the picture but where the child still considers the adopted parent "the" parent.

In your instance of the guy baring all to his new bride, to me it would reek of subterfuge if he faked to be a saint and won her love that way - she would not be loving him, she would be loving a pretend creature. After knowing the truth about him, if she is able to love him, fine and dandy; if she needs time and is able to accept him after she gets to know him, good as well. If she can never accept him, well, then they both made the wrong choice. If he loved her and knew her before the marriage, he should have realized that she would not be the kind to take the truth kindly and should have desisted from withholding the truth from her.

Also, I do see your point in that it would be best NOW for the families concerned to keep the truth from coming out. Purvi can live her fabled happy life, Ovi can live her deluded happy life, Arjun can learn to be happy, and Onir can hope to be happy with Purvi and her baby forever.

The truth is Purvi is carrying Arjun's baby and however ugly the truth, Arjun needs to be told (different matter if she had aborted the baby). If he is mature enough, yes, he will agonize and grieve but will learn to move on, be happy for the kid from afar - both for the sake of his marriage with Ovi and for Purvi's sake. According to me, he messed up big time already (don't throw bricks at me, just my POV), he not only crossed boundaries in that hut, he agreed to marry Ovi AFTER that incident. He really has no right on that baby except to know that he is the father and be happy with whatever rights Purvi is willing to bestow upon him as the father of her child.

As for society and the children's state of mind - society will wag its tongue for a while (if they keep it hush hush, no one outside the immediate concerned family need know). The babies will have no inkling as to the ugliness involved for years to come anyway and by then all will be water under the bridge. Ovi's baby will be in Mumbai, Purvi's in Kolkata with their respective "parents".

Shyamala, as you said in your post to ask any adopted child :), wanted to cite a few personal examples I know :

1. Ben is this 27 year old whose mom divorced his dad and got married to an Indian guy when Ben was 5. His real dad was always in the picture but Ben took on his Bengali dad's last name, considers himself part Indian, visits "his" grandparents in Bengal, speaks Bengali and his dad is the dad that raised him, the birth dad fell out of the picture when he was 18 or so.

2. This lady I work with - bizarre story - 4 couples A1A2, B1B2, C1C2, D1D2 all with kids, all of them got divorced and by the strangest of coincidences ended up marrying each other 's spouses A1 with B2, B1 with C2, C1 with D2 and D1 with A1. My friend was 2 years old then and her parents have now been married 40 years, she has always considered her step dad her real dad even tho the kids, all 4 sets, visited their real dads over the summer. All of them as far as I can tell remain well-balanced.

3. My cousin and his Caucasian wife had their own son and then decided to adopt from the slums of Delhi, they picked the darkest girl baby they could find (considered unattractive and un-adoptable for that reason, sadly) and the child is now 17, she is one of the happiest kids I have met, she just returned from a one on one trip with her mom to Italy while the dad took the son to India, they switch off regularly on vacations. She knows she is adopted but her parents are her "real" parents.

4. I will stop at this last one. Adam is a great friend of my hubby's, his unwed mother gave him up for adoption, his parents always kept her in the loop by informing her with pics, of milestones, etc. He met her for the first time after his high school graduation, saw her infrequently after that. His mom passed away, his dad became an invalid, he moved his dad into his house, his birth mom was diagnosed with cancer, he moved her too into his house. His "wife" (only scar I can see, he has lived with Georgia for 25 years but will not "marry" her even tho they have 2 beautiful kids) and him looked after both until they passed.

I do understand India maybe a little different. Truth, however ugly, is still the truth unfortunately.