PR Yesterday: Purvi's delusions - Page 8

Jyothi,

As far as I can remember, I don't think Manav refers to Purvi as his daughter anywhere, in an explicit fashion. Even when he goes off to rescue her, he does not say he is going to rescue his 'daughter'. Today, he does not correct the prosecutor when he talks of Purvi as Manav's other daughter, and he does the same thing on various occasions earlier, no more. Why should he call her his daughter?

As I said earlier, I think he sends the saree as a gesture to placate Archana for his not attending the engagement, not for Purvi. There is no card with it, and not even an oral message thru Damodar. He does NOT tell Archana he is 'happy' for Purvi about her wedding, only that he has 'no problem with it', but for Ovi.

What he did, or what he felt for Purvi before the Arjun angle came up has no relevance at all now, but even then, he never told Purvi that you are my daughter, or even like my daughter. He is a kind-hearted man, and so even now, though he resents the Arjun-Purvi love affair deeply, when Purvi is in great distress at the hospital, he comforts her. But that does not mean that when these special circumstances no longer prevail, he will continue to be as kind. He reverts to his abruptness when he tells her to go to the police station, and not just when she calls to thank him for the saree, when one could say it was because Ovi was sleeping in his lap.

As I mentioned earlier, these two, Arjun and Purvi,seem to lack both sense and sensibility, and insist on accosting Manav at every opportunity, trying to force him to re-establish the old relationship without giving him time to get over his present resentment. Arjun is more at fault in this, for he knows that his responsibility for the mess Ovi is in now is a primary one, and that Manav has not forgiven him in the slightest, whereas Purvi was not to blame at all.

This said, even Purvi should not expect Manav to thaw towards them overnight just because she would then feel relieved and absolved of any guilt feelings. It is not a question of mixed signals from Manav, Ash, as I have tried to explain above. It is rather a question of Purvi not being able to, or rather not wanting to pick up perfectly clear signals. Archana, on the other hand, seems to understand Manav's current state of mind completely.

As for Vishnu's kasam, what is relevant is what HE told Arjun and Purvi about it the next day. A kasam of this kind is sacrosanct in the cultural milieu to which Vishnu belongs. You have to understand that he would believe that if he broke it, his mother would die. It is not something he would ever contemplate. This is a stupid slip up by the CVs, that is all.

As for the theory that Purvi recognises Varsha, even if only vaguely, why then does she not mention this very important point to Arjun at once? It seems very odd that she does not do so.

Jyothi, this is not a fraud case for character certificates to count. I do not know the legal position regarding such testimony by close family members, but the point is that NO such certificates should be taken into account at all in such a serious criminal case.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju

Shyamala,

I did update my post since my first words... I had to go back.. and edit it again .. I couldnt stay away..😊

You are right, Arjun just waved a red flag in front of the bull asking for a reaction as such. He is just all into hero worshipping Manav and probably wants to be nice to him. I would have stayed away..

But, still Manav's reactions, words and actions towards Purvi have been a yo-yo always. the poor gal is very confused with all this. On one hand, she was drilled the mahaanness of Manav by her Aai, and he seemed to reciprocate her affection to some extent before Arjun-Purvi relationship started..Even recently, why send the saree to Purvi, it was an important day for Purvi more so and not Archana. She probably thinks he is upset for Ovi but loves her like a daughter. He was nice to her in the hospital when Arjun was down. And he also keeps referring to her as his daughter, everywhere else. Why does he do that then? He should just stick to saying Archana's daughter. For a girl, who is starved for a fther's love, this is definitely confusing. even a smart one like Purvi.

He should have stuck to his stand, that he rightly belongs to Ovi's side, as she is his daughter and that is it. And he would be right in doing so. Why did he tell Archana that he was happy for Purvi then for her wedding. Very contradictory behavior, dont you think?

I had written earlier about why I think Purvi walked towards Varsha, not towards Vishnu. I htink she did seem familiar to her and am sure she will recognize her soon. That is where this is leading.. I think so.

As far as Vishnu's kasam, I said it that day itself, he just did it to appease his mother. How can one change onself just to prove something to his mother. Atleast, I dont think he will.

BTW, didnt sameer rane threaten him that once he gets a single proof, he will be back in jail. What happened to that? he didnt get any more sabooth than before. So, how does he think he can win this case?

Is a spouse or a parent allowed to be a character witness? I thought that any support from them is null and void in the eyes of law.. or do I have that wrong?

Shyamala and Jyothi,

As far as I know (and I could be wrong) A parent, nor any close relative can be a character witness in a court proceeding nor can they issue a reference for you for any jobs. So... I don't see how Varsha's testimony on Vishnu's behalf will stand up in court. Other than to make for more drama of course.

Seriously, which mother will stand up in court and tell everyone that her son is bad or evil. You may only find this in 1% of mothers and that's for extreme circumstances. Varsha does not view this as an extreme case IMO, or she would have stopped this business long before.

Yes, Arjun may have looked for the reaction and answer he got. But, I think it was unfair to Purvi for she is given mixed signals by Manav and thats confusing for any child. Unlike Tej and Ovi who grew up hating Archu, Purvi grew up hearing only good things of Manav and feels that he is one of her own and can say or do nothing wrong. She doesn't even think or realise that he can hurt her mother.

I guess I feel Manav needs to make up his mind and stop leading her on... a child no matter their age will always be hurt by someone THEY considered a parent.

please note: I don't think Manav is wrong for staying in Ovi's corner... that is where he needs to be and thats where he should be. But... that doesn't have to make him unkind when he is a kind person.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jyothi,

It might have been harsh of Manav to reply to Arjun in that fashion in front of Purvi, but it was also plain silly of Arjun to talk to Manav in that fashion to start with. He should have anticipated the response. Forcing himself on Manav, when it is obvious that Manav cannot stand the sight of him (and Purvi) now, was bound to be counterproductive.

Manav has in fact already made it amply clear that he wants to have nothing to do with Arjun and/or Purvi. Arjun should have respected that and had the good sense to leave him alone. He could have contented himself with a smile and a polite nod, instead of inviting a blighting snub. And if Arjun had not been snubbed today, I am sure Purvi would have trotted over to fall at Manav's feet with a ringing exclamation of 'Baba!'

I also do not understand it being said quite often that Purvi was accepted by Manav as his daughter. She is not his daughter, and just because he was kind to her in at an entirely different time and in an entirely different context, he cannot now be expected to accept the Arjun-Purvi love affair and marriage, and be cordial to them. Ovi, however much he might deplore her obsession withArjun, would always come first for him, and that is entirely understandable. He did whatever was necessary at the time of the kidnapping, displaying both courage and generosity, but this was largely out of a sense of guilt that Purvi had been kidnapped in Ovi's place, and not because he cared for her per se. In fact, even before the kidnapping, when Purvi goes to touch his feet at the dahi handi event, he draws them back slightly.

If I was Purvi, I would have the sensitivity to be more reticent, and not behave as though all was already hunky dory with Manav. She seems to have no perception at all of what he is feeling, when she asks Archana whether he is not coming for her engagement. I think he sends the saree that time purely as a gesture to Archana, not for Purvi.

The other thing was the way in which the PR writers butcher the law. It is not funny. Today, in the precap, Vishnu's lawyer is having Balan call on Varsha to testify as to Vishnu's impeccable character! As though a character certificate from his mother would nullify the eye witness testimony from any number of people. But perhaps in PR, it can, who knows. And we have to sit and watch all this rubbish. It is another matter that Varsha has gone AWOL, for entirely understandable reasons of her own, leaving Vishnu desperately worried.

Earlier, I could not understand why Purvi, on spotting Vishnu, who is standing with Varsha waiting for the court proceedings to start, was marching towards Vishnu till she was stopped by Arjun and led away. Probably the Stockholm syndrome acting up. 😉The expression on her face was decidedly strange, but unlike what Arjun assumed, she was not afraid of Vishnu. Nor was she at all conscious of Varsha; it was only Vishnu whom she was approaching, in a steady, unbroken movement. Very odd.

Vishnu's kasam on his mayee's head not to harm Purvi and her family seems to have already evaporated into thin air, for contrary to what he affirmed so dramatically at the temple steps the other day, today he is shown telling his mayee that he will 'take care' of both Purvi and Arjun once the case is over.

Maybe the CVs have forgotten about the kasam, for even Varsha is not seen pulling him up with reference to it. What are the PR brand sanskaars coming to if a beta can break his mayee ki kasam without a second thought? Ghor kaliyug hai, kaliyug!! (It is the height - or depth- or Kaliyug).

The Archana-Vishnu confrontation scene was well done, and even the cocky chap is a bit unnerved at the idea of getting a mother's baddua and the prospect of going to jail. I hope he does. His childhood memories must be very faint by now, but he was about 4 at that time, and some children can remember things even from that age. For Vishnu, a long forgotten memory of Archana is surfacing now, blurred and troubling, like a figure glimpsed thru a mist.

Shyamala

Love the post, Dear Shyamala.
In complete agreement with your thoughts especially the highlighted @bold.

After Manav plainly turned down Arjun's invitation for the marriage in the office just a day ago (BTW, the date isn't fixed and he already went to invite him), what is the reason Arjun has to keep pushing ArVi down Manav's throat? Arjun should have just showed his gratitude in gesture than opening mouth and hearing words from Manav. Hopefully Arjun stops from now onwards. He hasn't till date given any explanation to Manav, Ovi or even Archana as to why he backed off of his promise to Ovi. Just that he loves Purvi isn't enough, he has to tell that he never was in love with Ovi, to have fallen off of it now.

As far Manav's stand, it is understandable and Ovi is his priority over everything.

Same with Purvi, she needs to get the message that it is Ovi who will be important for Manav and not that he has to accept her relation with Arjun right now , at the very moment. I do want Arjun-Purvi to be happy and them to get along and have a married life but that doesn't mean, Manav needs to forget everything and be happy for them, at the moment. He accepted Purvi as some one similar to Ovi and Teju just bcos Archana requested him to, a girl whom Manav never saw before or knew anything about. He did not ever ask Archana the details of Purvi. Archana's words were just enough for him to accept her, and that itself is a big deal when 1. Archana was actually divorcing him and 2. She kept showing that she is selfish and blah to Manav . Archana has been doing that for the last 6 months to Manav and Manav is expected to accept Purvi, be there for her engagement, rescue her from kidnappers, again be there for marriage .. forgetting that Ovi (whatever or however she is or her desires are) should be his priority is a little too much of asking from Manav, in my opinion.

Manav doesn't want to be bad to Purvi but for him right now Ovi is more important. He was willing to accept Purvi as his daughter and do everything for her, but if bcos of her , his own daughter has to suffer, then he is hurt. He doesn't really alienate himself, but I feel that he is feeling torn between the responsibilities towards both the daughters and trying to make a sane judgement within the situation.

Arjun-Purvi both need to back off a little from Manav and so should Archana.

Court room scene was completely bakwaas. SP Sameer, why didn't u salute when u entered the witness box? ❓And were you trying to tell a story to the judge there BT style? 😆Those dialogues weren't that of a cop!

Archana saw Vishnu during dahi-handi and it was 1st time and that too with color on his face and she immediately recognized him in the court?! 😆

I don't think immediate family members are called to be character witness in any case, not the defense and not even the prosecution's side!

Purvi's hypnotic walk towards Vishnu was stupid. 😡

Vishnu lalla completely forgot the kasam he gave his mayi and the mayi was too busy hiding her face to remind him that! 🥱

Dear bee5,

I am glad we are on the same wavelength on Manav. After what Archana did to him at Punni's saakarpuda, it is passing strange for anyone to expect him to accept Purvi as a daughter.

Any other man would have consigned Archana, and all her kin, to the doghouse for the whole 6 months. Ash, you talk of Purvi not thinking Manav would hurt her mother. What about what she did to him that day, just when he was asking her to go back to Canada with him? She hurt him and disgraced him very badly, and that too in full public view of all the guests.

Usha, 'hypnotic walk' is perfect. Just the phrase for it.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5

Love the post, Dear Shyamala.
In complete agreement with your thoughts especially the highlighted @bold.

After Manav plainly turned down Arjun's invitation for the marriage in the office just a day ago (BTW, the date isn't fixed and he already went to invite him), what is the reason Arjun has to keep pushing ArVi down Manav's throat? Arjun should have just showed his gratitude in gesture than opening mouth and hearing words from Manav. Hopefully Arjun stops from now onwards. He hasn't till date given any explanation to Manav, Ovi or even Archana as to why he backed off of his promise to Ovi. Just that he loves Purvi isn't enough, he has to tell that he never was in love with Ovi, to have fallen off of it now.

As far Manav's stand, it is understandable and Ovi is his priority over everything.

Same with Purvi, she needs to get the message that it is Ovi who will be important for Manav and not that he has to accept her relation with Arjun right now , at the very moment. I do want Arjun-Purvi to be happy and them to get along and have a married life but that doesn't mean, Manav needs to forget everything and be happy for them, at the moment. He accepted Purvi as some one similar to Ovi and Teju just bcos Archana requested him to, a girl whom Manav never saw before or knew anything about. He did not ever ask Archana the details of Purvi. Archana's words were just enough for him to accept her, and that itself is a big deal when 1. Archana was actually divorcing him and 2. She kept showing that she is selfish and blah to Manav . Archana has been doing that for the last 6 months to Manav and Manav is expected to accept Purvi, be there for her engagement, rescue her from kidnappers, again be there for marriage .. forgetting that Ovi (whatever or however she is or her desires are) should be his priority is a little too much of asking from Manav, in my opinion.

Manav doesn't want to be bad to Purvi but for him right now Ovi is more important. He was willing to accept Purvi as his daughter and do everything for her, but if bcos of her , his own daughter has to suffer, then he is hurt. He doesn't really alienate himself, but I feel that he is feeling torn between the responsibilities towards both the daughters and trying to make a sane judgement within the situation.

Arjun-Purvi both need to back off a little from Manav and so should Archana.

Court room scene was completely bakwaas. SP Sameer, why didn't u salute when u entered the witness box? ❓And were you trying to tell a story to the judge there BT style? 😆Those dialogues weren't that of a cop!

Archana saw Vishnu during dahi-handi and it was 1st time and that too with color on his face and she immediately recognized him in the court?! 😆

I don't think immediate family members are called to be character witness in any case, not the defense and not even the prosecution's side!

Purvi's hypnotic walk towards Vishnu was stupid. 😡

Vishnu lalla completely forgot the kasam he gave his mayi and the mayi was too busy hiding her face to remind him that! 🥱

Originally posted by: Ashlaika

Shyamala and Jyothi,

As far as I know (and I could be wrong) A parent, nor any close relative can be a character witness in a court proceeding nor can they issue a reference for you for any jobs. So... I don't see how Varsha's testimony on Vishnu's behalf will stand up in court. Other than to make for more drama of course.

Seriously, which mother will stand up in court and tell everyone that her son is bad or evil. You may only find this in 1% of mothers and that's for extreme circumstances. Varsha does not view this as an extreme case IMO, or she would have stopped this business long before.

Yes, Arjun may have looked for the reaction and answer he got. But, I think it was unfair to Purvi for she is given mixed signals by Manav and thats confusing for any child. Unlike Tej and Ovi who grew up hating Archu, Purvi grew up hearing only good things of Manav and feels that he is one of her own and can say or do nothing wrong. She doesn't even think or realise that he can hurt her mother.

I guess I feel Manav needs to make up his mind and stop leading her on... a child no matter their age will always be hurt by someone THEY considered a parent.

please note: I don't think Manav is wrong for staying in Ovi's corner... that is where he needs to be and thats where he should be. But... that doesn't have to make him unkind when he is a kind person.

Guys,

Yes, Miss Shyamala,

Archu hurt Manav that day and on may other occasions... and there are cases when his actions or more so lack of action has hurt Archu as well. Im not debating that. But - an eye for an eye will only make the world blind (so the saying goes 😊).

I'm only saying from Purvi's POV - Manav is her Baba and he is the best person in the world. That statement coming from him is probably a wake up call for her that she desperately needs to understand that he is NOT hers, even though she thinks he is - I mean she has heard of him for the last 18 years as her Baba and her aai's husband, and that he can do no wrong. Many persons say how Savita brain washed Teju-Ovi into hating Archu and that cannot be undone in 6 months... well it can also be looked at from the other angle... an impressionable child - Purvi - was also brain washed, but into loving Manav.

Anyhow... its already been said and done and we can't undo it.

Bee - love the phrase as well - hypnotic walk - and it suits very well and yes... it was stupid!!! I simply can't understand that.

Am I the only one who thinks that Purvi was looking at Varsha and walking towards her, as though she seemed familiar to her? Why do you guys think she is walking towards Vishnu? Why would she do that? She is scared of him (OK, I know, the SS remains in effect still :) ).. so why would she walk towards him? Both Vishnu and Varsha are sitting together so she walked towards them.

Shyamala and Bee5 nice posts by both of you the ones I have clicked "Like" Agree totally abt Manav and Arjun-Purvi needs to back off a bit instead of trying so hard to shove their relationship down his throat...He has Ovi to worry abt right now and should be given time..

Jyothi and Varsha, I just finished watching the epi and I too think that Purvi was walking towards Varsha if she was walking towards the two at all, both Arjun and her were headed in that general direction anyway. Varsha mumbling to herself about Purvi walking towards her perhaps cos Purvi recognized her from a photograph adds weight to what you guys have surmised that Purvi was staring at Varsha.