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purethought

@purethought

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Posted: 13 years ago

#141

Originally posted by: sashashyam

They are spoken by Shahrukh Khan to Madhuri Dixit in a key love scene from Yash Chopra's very successful 1999 romance, Dil to Pagal Hai. What Shahrukh says there is "Kah do ki jab main tumhe choota hoon, tumko kuch nahin hota" (tell me that when I touch you, you do not feel anything) which is very close to the line here. When Madhuri says "Main tumse pyaar nahin karti" (I do not love you), Shahrukh says, just like Arjun yesterday "Tum jhoot bol rahi ho" (You are lying), and then the line about the choona follows.

Though Purvi replies in the negative to both these appeals, you have to notice both the lines she speaks and her expressions. She follows the Madhuri closely on this, and while she is denying having any feelings for him, or being jealous, her voice says one thing and her eyes say another. It does not last too long, but it is very well done.

She is desperate to salvage whatever she can of her pride and her self-respect, and she hits back at him in the best way she can think of, by denying that she loves him any more. It is obvious, however, that even as she says it, she does not believe it herself, and try as she might, she cannot get him out of her system. She confesses as much when she laments that she could forget the fiasco with Vinay like a bad dream, but try as she might, she cannot forget this.

Dear Shyamala,

Lovely post..

In bold -- that is one of my favorite scenes from DIl to Pagal Hai (wonderful recollection👏👍🏼) .. but they did not use it to good effect with Arjun-Purvi --- seemed rushed. 😕

Yes, Purvi's expressions were fab when saying she did not feel jealous.. I liked her expressions inside that dark room, whenever the light fell on her face that is. Where did the blinking lights come from, btw!😆

Trish

Edited by purethought - 13 years ago

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naava

@naava

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#142

Originally posted by: archanamanav
hello guruji😃 ..
okay i watched epi today..and wanna write my review..

Shikayat!

Manju got the news from her daughter that they missed an enagement party coz somebody forgot to invite them😔..she was so upset that she ate vinod's head off..and wanted to know why she was not invited for yet another circus party?..is people not liking her performance?..is that why she was droppedd from circus team?..why why why?..why was i not invited to take part in the circus?..jawab do!..

Vinod thought she did have a point!..coz he thought his wife rocks the circus parties..😳..so he went..to archu' s house..she and her mom sulo were excited to see him😲..i think sulo and archu forgot vinod threw sulo out of the house once upon a time😆..vinod asked how come u didn't invite me to the party..😔..archu how could u do this to me..am i not ur brother and manjusha ur babhi afterall..may be u r ashamed to tell the world that this jobless mom deserter is my brother..😔..archu ..said no no brother it is not that..i wanted to invite all my circus team members..what happened is that..i was not invited as a guest there..but as a nuakrani🤣..of ovi mam..😆..

now u only tell me..would you have agreed to come as naukars to the party like i did?..i am sure u wouldn't..not everybody can take crap like me you know!..😆..sulo..said..yes yes..archu bilkul teek keh rahi hai!😆..

The other lady who had shikayat was purvi!..the mess maker arjun was trying to fix his mess..obviously he cant cleanup well after mess..coz he is the boss not some cleaning man!..😆..she said..i loved u ..u cheated me..i dont love u anymore coz u r trying to cheat me even more..so just get lost!..we poor gals are good to get married and have babies unfortunately!..love is for rich people!😆..marriage is for poor people😳..

Yet another lady with shikayat!..ovi kovi!..she got suspicious after punni calling and filling ears..arjun having affair!..is it possible!..teju says he could probably having affair with his work not another gal!..

archu said i have faith in arjun!..infact i have faith in manav , savita , sachi, even manju for that matter that they wont cheat no matter what🤣..

now purvi gonna give ceritficate for u ovi..u did great by talking to us rather than arjun..he would have felt bad ..that u found out truth before the right time that he was waiting for to tell apparently😆..

purvi said ..yea..arjun is affairless..😆..and she is gonna say tomorrow yea i am boyfriendless!😆..

thanks for the update guruji😃

Usha sorry i am a little late in responding to this hilarious post. 🤣 especially the blues...

so happy to have you back..(and congrats again !!) .but im' not sure why why why any of us are still here ..🤢

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#143

Dear Trish,

Glad you liked it; no one else in the forum seems to have remembered the link to that very lovely scene. I agree that it has been somewhat mangled by the CVs, but still the spirit is still there .

Purvi was very good here, and the desperate attempt to be defiant was admirably done. I hope we get more such lines and scenes as Arjun and Purvi try to sort out the tangled web in which fate (or the CVs) has trapped them.

And to answer your pending question, no, I do not think Purvi looks like Manisha Koirala. You are feeling that because both have a delicate facial bone structure. Purvi is far more alive and vibrant than Manisha, who often looks washed out.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: purethought

Dear Shyamala,

Lovely post..

In bold -- that is one of my favorite scenes from DIl to Pagal Hai (wonderful recollection👏👍🏼) .. but they did not use it to good effect with Arjun-Purvi --- seemed rushed. 😕

Trish

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naava

@naava

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#144

@ shyamala you said: "However, and I repeat myself on this, there can be no salvaging of his relationship with Purvi till he has got Ovi out of his system. He must do this now as soon as he can, without waiting for that court case to be resolved. That was in any case a stupid idea."

Shyamala...i appreciate your desire to stick up for Arjun a little bit with just this one caveat, however, i would like to comment. I am not just "angry" at Arjun for all of this, i think it shows a real defect in his moral character. I am the first one to forgive a mistake, but this reveals a lot of very unsettling things about Arjun's character. He would rather take the easy road out than to be honest. He has allowed a public display of intended betrothal between him and Ovi when he knows it isn't going to happen, that it is based on a lie. Every day, no, every minute he procrastinates, he hurts Ovi more, (the one he says he is protecting), he hurts Purvi more, (the one he says he loves) and he hurts his family more. (the one he says is so important). I don't believe that Arjun is doing any of this for someone else, I think he is doing it because he has no moral compass and is protecting himself, no one else.

I really loved Arvi for a long time, i defended both of them as they were new at love. But what i see here, now, after all this time, is a huge red flag for me. A lack of moral strength is different than honest or even confused mistakes. I feel the Arjun they have portrayed is an opportunist. He is playing both ends against the middle. (which means to try to make two people or groups compete with each other in order to get an advantage for yourself. ) I know that is strong thing to say, but it is how i feel now. Unless he realizes how selfish and self centered he is being, i will be very very upset with Purvi for continuing to love him. It's still a business deal for him.

To me it's very different than the Archana-Manav-Shravani track. Manav never made any pretense of loving Shravani, in fact, the opposite. As Tanya recently pointed out, he told her over and over he would never love her and everyone knew how much Manav and Archu loved each other. (which of course made it the stupidest track ever)...but here Arjun is pretending to love one person publicly, playing this game, and crying like a victim to gain the love and adoration of another. It's not even the same as a married man falling in love with another woman. There, one expects the man to remain loyal to his wife. but to proceed with a new marriage with one while loving the other just for appearances sake.. Even if he said to Purvi, look it's you i love, but i must for business and family reasons, marry Ovi...even that would be different. But he is not. He is, i repeat, playing both ends against the middle. Playing both girls hearts for his own comfort. Not good.

Edited by naava - 13 years ago

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sushkita10

@sushkita10

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#145

Originally posted by: archanamanav
hello guruji😃 ..
okay i watched epi today..and wanna write my review..

Shikayat!

Manju got the news from her daughter that they missed an enagement party coz somebody forgot to invite them😔..she was so upset that she ate vinod's head off..and wanted to know why she was not invited for yet another circus party?..is people not liking her performance?..is that why she was droppedd from circus team?..why why why?..why was i not invited to take part in the circus?..jawab do!..

Vinod thought she did have a point!..coz he thought his wife rocks the circus parties..😳..so he went..to archu' s house..she and her mom sulo were excited to see him😲..i think sulo and archu forgot vinod threw sulo out of the house once upon a time😆..vinod asked how come u didn't invite me to the party..😔..archu how could u do this to me..am i not ur brother and manjusha ur babhi afterall..may be u r ashamed to tell the world that this jobless mom deserter is my brother..😔..archu ..said no no brother it is not that..i wanted to invite all my circus team members..what happened is that..i was not invited as a guest there..but as a nuakrani🤣..of ovi mam..😆..

now u only tell me..would you have agreed to come as naukars to the party like i did?..i am sure u wouldn't..not everybody can take crap like me you know!..😆..sulo..said..yes yes..archu bilkul teek keh rahi hai!😆..

The other lady who had shikayat was purvi!..the mess maker arjun was trying to fix his mess..obviously he cant cleanup well after mess..coz he is the boss not some cleaning man!..😆..she said..i loved u ..u cheated me..i dont love u anymore coz u r trying to cheat me even more..so just get lost!..we poor gals are good to get married and have babies unfortunately!..love is for rich people!😆..marriage is for poor people😳..

Yet another lady with shikayat!..ovi kovi!..she got suspicious after punni calling and filling ears..arjun having affair!..is it possible!..teju says he could probably having affair with his work not another gal!..

archu said i have faith in arjun!..infact i have faith in manav , savita , sachi, even manju for that matter that they wont cheat no matter what🤣..

now purvi gonna give ceritficate for u ovi..u did great by talking to us rather than arjun..he would have felt bad ..that u found out truth before the right time that he was waiting for to tell apparently😆..

purvi said ..yea..arjun is affairless..😆..and she is gonna say tomorrow yea i am boyfriendless!😆..

thanks for the update guruji😃

👏👏👏👏👏⭐️⭐️excellent post usha a big hug for u🤗in the morning i couldnt read ur post for my work now eating icecream and read ur post its like cherry on my icecream🤣🤣🤣🤣red line r mervellous👍🏼

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sushkita10

@sushkita10

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#146

i m late to post anything about last epi but i cant controll myself to post it yesterday i didnt get arjun's point of view😕he wants to make purvi believe that they love each other .ok then if purvi would believe it then what will happen?they secretly date with each other?arjun do it but he still engaged with ovi.that means arjun wants to holds both girls hands😉ek gharwali aur ek bahar wali😆then i think ekta will need DHAVID DHAWAN to direct arjun-ovi-purvi scene.i think it will b great entertainment to see arjun as anil kapoor and purvi as ramba and ovi as raveena🤣🤣🤣

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#147

Dear naava,

I can completely understand where you are coming from here. Once one admits the basic premise from which you proceed, that Arjun is amoral, as distinct from immoral, all of your subsequent analysis falls into place.

I would like to set out my own views to refute this assessment, and I shall avoid the obvious one that if leading man in a true blue Indian TV soap were to be something so interesting as amoral, the whole structure would collapse. And of course the ARVI fans, in their legions, would be devastated.

Firstly, even if I were to point out, with justification, that he is not "pretending to love one person publicly, playing this game, and crying like a victim to gain the love and adoration of another", for he has at no time pretended to love Ovi, nor has he tried (to use a term that Trish has made her own) to initiate any PDAs (The way in which he stands during that paper dance, arms hanging limply at his sides while Ovi has both her arms round his neck, would not have been accepted by any self respecting fiancee, who would have pulled him up with a sharp "Hold me, for heaven's sake!"), it would make no difference to your main argument.

I could point out that if he were really amoral, he would never have told DK about Purvi, nor would he ever have tried to tell Ovi the truth at all. I do not know how you will deal with these facts without damage to your thesis, but the facts themselves are incontrovertible.

There are any number of Casanovas who keep many girls on a string without getting caught out - that is the staple of the French farce. But no Casanova that I have ever heard tell of behaves like Arjun Kirloskar, for no Casanova makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love.

Of course you could say that he does not love Purvi at all, and is only pretending to do so, and " playing both ends against the middle" for his own advantage. I do not think even Janhvi would agree with this, but let it pass.

The strongest argument against your conclusion that Arjun is manipulating the emotions of both girls selfishly for his own advantage is this: there is no real advantage for him that I can see. What does he stand to gain by misleading Purvi and keeping her on a string (not that he can do it, anyway)? Not the most obvious one, for she is NOT going to have an affair with him. Nor that he can exchange sweet nothings with her every now and then, even if such a milk and water exercise could be termed as an advantage - for their interactions have, over the past 2 weeks, been nothing but an exercise in screeching on her side and futile bleating on his. What then?

As for Ovi, why does he have to invite all these complications? He can marry her any time he wants, and she will let him be, adore him as he is, and never demand any extra attention once he makes it clear that this is how it will be.

No, I do not agree that Arjun Kirloskar is amoral, and this is not just a matter of my judgement, but of the facts as we know them.

I think Arjun Kirloskar is terminally stupid, and like most men, he has begun (for he was far more forthright when he called Ovi the day after his conversation with Aashana) to avoid unpleasantness as long as he can, and he finds convenient excuses, like the court case, to justify his procrastination to himself. But now, I think, he has reached the end of this particular road. He will have to do what he should have done weeks ago, tell Ovi.

After this, the situation will get worse, not better, especially for Purvi. Arjun will have to be her strength and her sheet anchor, always provided that she will let him be that, and not run and hide in Archana's pallav and sacrifice him and herself for her aai's Ovi ma'am. She has not shown any signs of this so far, but it is early days yet, and when the full impact of the general hostility to the Arjun-Purvi love affair makes itself felt, she just might cave in.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: naava
@ shyamala you said: "However, and I repeat myself on this, there can be no salvaging of his relationship with Purvi till he has got Ovi out of his system. He must do this now as soon as he can, without waiting for that court case to be resolved. That was in any case a stupid idea."

Shyamala...i appreciate your desire to stick up for Arjun a little bit with just this one caveat, however, i would like to comment. I am not just "angry" at Arjun for all of this, i think it shows a real defect in his moral character. I am the first one to forgive a mistake, but this reveals a lot of very unsettling things about Arjun's character. He would rather take the easy road out than to be honest. He has allowed a public display of intended betrothal between him and Ovi when he knows it isn't going to happen, that it is based on a lie. Every day, no, every minute he procrastinates, he hurts Ovi more, (the one he says he is protecting), he hurts Purvi more, (the one he says he loves) and he hurts his family more. (the one he says is so important). I don't believe that Arjun is doing any of this for someone else, I think he is doing it because he has no moral compass and is protecting himself, no one else.

I really loved Arvi for a long time, i defended both of them as they were new at love. But what i see here, now, after all this time, is a huge red flag for me. A lack of moral strength is different than honest or even confused mistakes. I feel the Arjun they have portrayed is an opportunist. He is playing both ends against the middle. (which means to try to make two people or groups compete with each other in order to get an advantage for yourself. ) I know that is strong thing to say, but it is how i feel now. Unless he realizes how selfish and self centered he is being, i will be very very upset with Purvi for continuing to love him. It's still a business deal for him.

To me it's very different than the Archana-Manav-Shravani track. Manav never made any pretense of loving Shravani, in fact, the opposite. As Tanya recently pointed out, he told her over and over he would never love her and everyone knew how much Manav and Archu loved each other. (which of course made it the stupidest track ever)...but here Arjun is pretending to love one person publicly, playing this game, and crying like a victim to gain the love and adoration of another. It's not even the same as a married man falling in love with another woman. There, one expects the man to remain loyal to his wife. but to proceed with a new marriage with one while loving the other just for appearances sake.. Even if he said to Purvi, look it's you i love, but i must for business and family reasons, marry Ovi...even that would be different. But he is not. He is, i repeat, playing both ends against the middle. Playing both girls hearts for his own comfort. Not good.

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archanamanav

@archanamanav

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#148

Originally posted by: poas
i m late to post anything about last epi but i cant controll myself to post it yesterday i didnt get arjun's point of view😕he wants to make purvi believe that they love each other .ok then if purvi would believe it then what will happen?they secretly date with each other?arjun do it but he still engaged with ovi.that means arjun wants to holds both girls hands😉ek gharwali aur ek bahar wali😆then i think ekta will need DHAVID DHAWAN to direct arjun-ovi-purvi scene.i think it will b great entertainment to see arjun as anil kapoor and purvi as ramba and ovi as raveena🤣🤣🤣

arjun is two timing😆..i dont think he loves anyone..may be he is atrracted to purvi..coz he doesn't like it when his "friend" is approached by another man besides him😆..he agreed to marry ovi coz another guy was making pass at her..he fell in love with purvi coz she agreed to marry another guy😆..if there is one more "friend" that goes after another man he sure would want to marry her aswell

there is nothing to clarify from his side besides saying if i touch u ..u feel complete..and if i dont u gonna end up kunwari for life😆

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sushkita10

@sushkita10

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#149

Originally posted by: archanamanav
arjun is two timing😆..i dont think he loves anyone..may be he is atrracted to purvi..coz he doesn't like it when his "friend" is approached by another man besides him😆..he agreed to marry ovi coz another guy was making pass at her..he fell in love with purvi coz she agreed to marry another guy😆..if there is one more "friend" that goes after another man he sure would want to marry her aswell🤣..
there is nothing to clarify from his side besides saying if i touch u ..u feel complete..and if i dont u gonna end up kunwari for life😆

🤣🤣🤣

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

Trailblazer

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#150

Originally posted by: archanamanav
arjun is two timing😆..i dont think he loves anyone..may be he is atrracted to purvi..coz he doesn't like it when his "friend" is approached by another man besides him😆..he agreed to marry ovi coz another guy was making pass at her..he fell in love with purvi coz she agreed to marry another guy😆..if there is one more "friend" that goes after another man he sure would want to marry her aswell..
there is nothing to clarify from his side besides saying if i touch u ..u feel complete..and if i dont u gonna end up kunwari for life😆

Really well said ...😆😆😆

Poppy is right ...So he wants her to tel him that she loves him , but then what ?

He stays engaged to Ovi till he finds the rigth time to tell her and romanes Purvi is dark closed rooms ...

and what about the parents of these two girls , has he got no care about what they will go through when they find out ... what will these two girls feel in all this situation ?

wah wah Arjun , hat's off yaar ...😆👏

Usha has found the real weakness here ..It is not the girls but the other guys who approaced the girls

Every passing day, the guy is looking more and more like a two timer ..

Edited by Tanyaz - 13 years ago