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Posted: 15 years ago
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Very nice and interesting comments Kool on the Dharmesh issue.

Dont hav time to write much but want to say a little. Sometimes we r faced with such situations and choices in life that its hard to pick between two bad choices. I understand ur POV and others too (read some comments, not all). The situation and choices Vaishu has right now r not the best. But she has to b practical right now, not emotional, for herself and her baby. She has to learn that she has to become independent soon. Her supporters wont always b there. Everyone gets busy in their life with time.

U know when u r not going through that situation, its easy to give advices to the person going thru a bad time but from their POV, those advices/choices might not b feasible. U hav to understand ur situation and make the right decision. No one can do that for u.

Last thing. I agree with u that Vaishu shud get money from Dharmu. It will make him think twice b4 he goes after another girl. i totally agree with that point of urs. This is no punishment for him, this is protecting other future victims. Who r we to punish someone? How can u punish someone? How do u how much wrong they did and what punishment is good for them? Only God knows, hence, only he can fairly punish a human.

I hope Smarty is doing better. Going to study😭 Hav a midterm on friday😭 Take care! Goodnight!
Edited by unknown18 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

You mean to say the children who grow up and counter question the single parents who raised them and walk off to the parent who clearly earns MORE MONEY so they can get a better future prospect or education are NOT PROPERLY RAISED and HENCE THE FAULT of the MOTHERS who raised them ? How did you come to this conclusion caspie and on what basis ?
by no means am i saying that kids that question parents are not properly raised. if and when the child grows up and wants to leave Vaishu then so be it. my point was that if the child is raised properly he or she will see the reason behind Vaishus decision.
I find this conclusion of yours naive and inexperienced . Is there any way of knowing how your child will turn out as an individual when he or she enters youth ? Look at Sulochana's two daughters ........Archana and Varsha . While Archana adjusts in every walk of life , Varsha rebels in every event and even aborted the child on a whim or fit of anger . Were they sULO's famous sANSKAARS ? I dont think so .........coz Sulo SLAPPED her hard . She abhorred her daughter's deed .
Kools, i am young and inexperienced, no doubt about it. But like you point it out there is no way of knowing how the child will turn out...then what is the point of worry about how it will behave. Since you brought up Archana and Varsha, well what about Dharmu? he is a bad apple form good parents....Archu and Varsha maybe whatever but they felt remorse for what they did. Dharmu doesn't care period, and this is the difference between Sulo's kids and Dharmu.

the only point i wanted to make was that of Vaishu and her child. it is wrong of us to speculate what will happen in terms of the unborn child. ultimately it will be Vaishu's call. the child as of right now has will not be questioning her.

The reality of life is CHILDREN r individuals in their OWN RIGHT and don't necessarily behave or react tHE WAY U EXPECT THEM TO . It SHOCKS parents many many times .........thats the tragedy of the parents all over the world . They naively and proudly believe AFTER ALL I RAISED HIM , HE CAN NEVER DO THIS . and Lo behold , the boy marries and starts listening to a woman who never ever raised him but comes from a totally different background .........HIS WIFE . Or a daughter may suddenly start EXPRESSING HERSELF by getting various TATTOOS and wearing short skirts and insist on PARTYING although the mom is simple and traditional ....why ???Coz she meets such a group in school and forgets all her mom's ainstakingly taught sanskaars by geting brainwashed . She then turns and tells mom , THEY ANYWAY STIFLED ME .
yes children are individuals, but then so is Vaishali. She has the right to make her decision, right now for herself and her child...hopefully it will be a good one. yes she has very few options but its not like she doesn't have any, and i hope the CVs don't reduce her to the wife that accepts thing lying down.
The boy I mentioned was very nice and he even loved his mom . She had raised him with solid middle class values . But he wanted to be a doctor .His Dad cud pay his hefty fees ........so he apologised to his mom and went straight to his Dad . HIs priority in life was becoming a DOCTOR . He felt his Moms personal fight with his DAD shud nOT HAMPER his future . The Mom did NOT talk to his DAD and they had a bitter divorce coz he left her for another younger woman . She had refused to take a single penny from him out of pride as she had a job .
Well kids have a mind of their own no doubt. but since the child went to the father for help than its great, it was the child's decision. if VAishu's kid decides he wants the money then he can go to his father...Vaishu is no way obligated to ask Dharmu for help unless she wants to. Why worry about the behavior of an unborn child now? Vaishu's job is to give it all in her power to the child, and if it means without Dharmu then thats her call, and she should have a plan.
Was that boy wrong ? I dont think so . Evaluate . It was HIS LIFE as against his mom's personal principles which were part of HER LIFE .HIS LIFE and HER LIFE cannot be the same .
To each their own, but that did not mean the mother should beg on the child's behalf. If Vaishu wants to eradicate Dharmu out of her life then that is her choice to make. Maybe she feels this is the best punishment for Dharmu.



How's Smarty. hope she gets better soon.😃
Edited by carpe-diem - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I must say Carpe-diem......very well said....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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kools very well put points..its not mercenary to sue the bigamist for child-support,its pure practicality..bt of course the Ks never do anything which is not criminally stupid so am sure it will not happen..i can understand vaishu's helplessness bt atleast she had the sight to WANT to get dharmu punished instead of waiting for the lightning of God's wrath to fall on him..(which btw happens too late or not at all in real life)
can i say i found archu real annoying wid her "yeh kya kar rahi hai vaishu" speech wen vaishu was snapping her MS?pray holy lady what is the girl supposed to do?sit wid tht MS and sindoor all her life crying over wht happened bt be all sati-savitri despite the utter betrayal she faced?why on earth does she give such ridiculous advice ALL the time i do not understand?when its a discussion in family abt solutions she had not a single piece of dialogue bt wen it comes to utter impractical speeches she jumps to the fore..am really sorry abt my harsh words to all the archu fans bt she pissed me off yest totally..even wid sulo,i was hoping for atleast a verbal lashing bt what came out was a tearful complaint..and was squashed down again by utter flimsy excuse of the Godforsaken asthma attack..which btw dint even make a headway wen the news came to sulo in such a harsh manner..moms are strong people..how abt respecting tht for a change and doing sumthng sensible,or atleast letting other people do sumthng sensible..and again,all this was over an ASTHMA attack..not a cardiac arrest which archu herself caused to her father and inspite tht had gone running to rasika of all people to get manav released..so her love for manav is an excuse for all the attacks in the world bt vaishu's life crashing arnd her is not reason for her to go to her mother..who the hell is archu to come btwn vaishu and her mother?who made her the queen of the world to make ridiculous decisions and thn shove it down everyone else's throats?she singlehandedly ruined her own life..did she care to bother abt what others wanted?thn y on earth shud varsha and vaishu NOT make their own decisions?they have as much rights as archu to run their own lives wid their OWN decisions..varsha goes and shares her feelings to her mum so she is the bad girl..vaishu cnt say anything to her mother when she probably needs her mother the most..why,i ask..madhuri was being ordered to go back to pune or hell just so tht her spoilt brat dint see madhuri's face..now suddenly madhuri is a confidante..come on creatives,do ur leading lady a favour and STOP making her such a hypocrite..all of us liked the couple bt now everything likeable abt manav and archana is being sucked out..everytime they say or do sumthng annoys me outright..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree 100% on all ur points. Hit dharmu where it hurts-- his wallet. Vaishu needs to fight for what is owed to her and her child. Sitting around expecting others to pick up the pieces is not the solution. I hope the cvs don't try a secretly rich shibu rescuing v track... Also during the whole confrontation epis I kept thinking, where's the big asthma attack now?? Is this the way they wanted sulo to find out? Nice job arman. And y didn't sulo giv d a classic slap?? She only saves those for manav? Anyway, just wanted to say I agree w/ u that vaish should be practical and financially punishing dharmu is not losing self respect.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kools you said: He felt his Moms personal fight with his DAD shud nOT HAMPER his future .

This Kools is what i have been saying in all my posts...not only financially but emotionally. You said it in one succinct sentence !! :)

I know i sound like a broken record, but children long for the absent parent and make that parent perfect in their mind. they sooo want to be accepted and loved by that parent. ANY badmouthing, punishment, anger and hatred on the part of the mother towards the father HURTS THE CHILD IN UNBELIEVABLE WAYS... Every psychologist who has counseled broken homes and the children who suffer will tell you this. You have to help the child love the parent and not the deeds of the parent... it does take maturity to do this ...but it's the only way. In the same vain, depriving the child of the financial support of a parent able to provide it - out of pride and spite - is HORRIBLY selfish.

Edited by naava - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Well kids have a mind of their own no doubt. but since the child went to the father for help than its great, it was the child's decision. if VAishu's kid decides he wants the money then he can go to his father...Vaishu is no way obligated to ask Dharmu for help unless she wants to. Why worry about the behavior of an unborn child now? Vaishu's job is to give it all in her power to the child, and if it means without Dharmu then thats her call, and she should have a plan.
Why worry ? Coz its a HUMAN BEING . And the responsibility of taking the BEST decision for him or her lies with the parent carrying it . It is coming out just in few months..its unborn status will be over then . U cannot shrug off important decision making like accepting or rejecting considerable finances legally and rightfully due to the child just coz u personally HATE the father .

Aborting or not was Varsha's call ............she did it . But she did it on a WHIM and so her call turned out to be wrong .

Accepting his financial help or not is HER CALL , agreed . But declining considerable finances that can give the child everything ...a better standard of living , good education , good future .........simply coz u personally dislike or loathe the man is using that call iMMATUREDLY and WRONGLY .
The argument is not whether it is Vaishali's call or not . The argument is if THIS CALL is WISE or NOT .
And in my opinion it OH SO ISN"T . U canot dismiss off the unborn child so lightly . Imagine .........the wife is a school teacher and the father ........a surgeon who mints money . Maybe he had an affair with his secretary so wife left him . But he loves his son and is ready to provide for him ...........The wife says NO coz she has PRINCIPLES and HATES him . The child ........who cud have gone to the best school , best college goes to everything mediocre in his life coz his mom was too stubborn and proud to take the money . Is this FAIR ?
By the time Vaishu's kid DECIDES this by thinking independently on his own IT MAY BE TOO LATE . That boy I told u was fortunately practical enough to realise it early and go .....some kids WRESTLE with GUILT TRIPS that if they go to their rich dads , they will be BETRAYING their mom . The HATE with which they have been raised ........I DONT WANT THAT MAN"S NAME IN THIS HOUSE ...........LAYS this BURDEN on their souls . By the time they find out they sHOULD have gone and taken the money , IT IS TOO LATE , their life is MADE . It is sometimes ORDINARY and SUCKS .
THE POWER to make CALLS has immense responsibility attached to it .Like naava said , one must maturedly think ONLY of whats best for the child .
Today she has NOTHING . Her past record shows NOTHING ..no work experience , no goal to work . Today the timing SUCKS .Her Maayka is depending on one salary .I am NOT making her bebass and lachaar as some said .......I am pointing FACTS . She didnt even have the brains to go to a lawyer till now and CHECK HER OPTIONS . One sister of hers is actually advising her NOT to throw Mangalsutra and sindoor away and her parents STILL look deeply shocked at DIVORCE . This is her situation and BEST OF LUCK to the STUPID CALLS she is gonna make .
Meanwhile he will go on to impregnate a THIRD woman as CHILDREN r FREE in this world .........The moms r wonderfully supporting him by falling for his conman ways and then refusing financial help OUT OF STUPID PRIDE as it is THEIR CALL . That Works FINE for him .
To each their own, but that did not mean the mother should beg on the child's behalf
There is no question of BEGGING dear . This is where YOUTH and INEXPERIENCE comes in . Its RIGHTFUL . If one doesn't have a job and one has a child , the person will understand me better . All I tell u is situations in life can be so TRICKY at times that U gotta put ur FINER feelings and sentiments on a shelf , grow up and take the mature decision . Mature decisions often SUCK and r NOT likable to the mind .But believe me , in the long run they do GOOD .

Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: anu rulz

kools very well put points..its not mercenary to sue the bigamist for child-support,its pure practicality..bt of course the Ks never do anything which is not criminally stupid so am sure it will not happen..i can understand vaishu's helplessness bt atleast she had the sight to WANT to get dharmu punished instead of waiting for the lightning of God's wrath to fall on him..(which btw happens too late or not at all in real life)

can i say i found archu real annoying wid her "yeh kya kar rahi hai vaishu" speech wen vaishu was snapping her MS?pray holy lady what is the girl supposed to do?sit wid tht MS and sindoor all her life crying over wht happened bt be all sati-savitri despite the utter betrayal she faced?why on earth does she give such ridiculous advice ALL the time i do not understand?when its a discussion in family abt solutions she had not a single piece of dialogue bt wen it comes to utter impractical speeches she jumps to the fore..am really sorry abt my harsh words to all the archu fans bt she pissed me off yest totally..even wid sulo,i was hoping for atleast a verbal lashing bt what came out was a tearful complaint..and was squashed down again by utter flimsy excuse of the Godforsaken asthma attack..which btw dint even make a headway wen the news came to sulo in such a harsh manner..moms are strong people..how abt respecting tht for a change and doing sumthng sensible,or atleast letting other people do sumthng sensible..and again,all this was over an ASTHMA attack..not a cardiac arrest which archu herself caused to her father and inspite tht had gone running to rasika of all people to get manav released..so her love for manav is an excuse for all the attacks in the world bt vaishu's life crashing arnd her is not reason for her to go to her mother..who the hell is archu to come btwn vaishu and her mother?who made her the queen of the world to make ridiculous decisions and thn shove it down everyone else's throats?she singlehandedly ruined her own life..did she care to bother abt what others wanted?thn y on earth shud varsha and vaishu NOT make their own decisions?they have as much rights as archu to run their own lives wid their OWN decisions..varsha goes and shares her feelings to her mum so she is the bad girl..vaishu cnt say anything to her mother when she probably needs her mother the most..why,i ask..madhuri was being ordered to go back to pune or hell just so tht her spoilt brat dint see madhuri's face..now suddenly madhuri is a confidante..come on creatives,do ur leading lady a favour and STOP making her such a hypocrite..all of us liked the couple bt now everything likeable abt manav and archana is being sucked out..everytime they say or do sumthng annoys me outright..

Archana has been EXTREMELY annoying , I totally agree . In the commentary that got lost , I had blasted her . Unfortunately there is no one left to smack her and tell her to shut up .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: zaara10

I agree 100% on all ur points. Hit dharmu where it hurts-- his wallet. Vaishu needs to fight for what is owed to her and her child. Sitting around expecting others to pick up the pieces is not the solution. I hope the cvs don't try a secretly rich shibu rescuing v track... Also during the whole confrontation epis I kept thinking, where's the big asthma attack now?? Is this the way they wanted sulo to find out? Nice job arman. And y didn't sulo giv d a classic slap?? She only saves those for manav? Anyway, just wanted to say I agree w/ u that vaish should be practical and financially punishing dharmu is not losing self respect.

Thats exactly what will happen . She will
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Sit at maayka
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WEEP
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Plonk her kharcha on manju
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When Manju cribs she will be the bad one.
Meanwhile Shibu will be the rich guy in disguise
And the bacvhcha ?CVs will forget it like little Sachu .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think vaishu is doing the right thing now ..
Just in the previous KC thread i was grumbling about how vaishu is going to be shown helpless and dependent ...
But she is actually "helpless" in the sense that ,-
- bcuz of her pregnancy , i dont think she is going to get a job anytime soon ..

- sorry to use this word , but she is a "burden" on her parents , who in turn are a "burden" on manju , who already has a husband and two kids to support ...

- satish and manav will not hesitate to take on "vaishu's responsibility" but for how long ?

I dont think dragging dharmesh to court and ask for monetary compensation means she lacks self respect ..
She has been wronged and betrayed by her husband , so whats wrong if she wants to get some justice by seeing him being punished by law ?..

And , well .. I think maybe after the child is born .. a few months or years down the line , she will probably land up with a job ( uh .. all hypothetical from my side .. i think the only women who are going to be with jobs till the end of the show are manju and varsha .. ) ...
but this money that she is going to get from dharmesh will help her provide a good life for her child ..

and , uh.. sorry .. but i dont really buy the whole " she has the support of her wonderful family who are going to help her " argument ..

no offense but - The karanjkars are cuckoo ..
Edited by lunza - 15 years ago

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